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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Mike Guilbault on October 27, 2008, 06:24:39 pm

Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 27, 2008, 06:24:39 pm
For some reason, LR is not finding my iTunes playlists.  I select the refresh option, but still nothing.

Any ideas?
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: JDClements on October 28, 2008, 06:16:47 pm
Lightroom plays music?
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: kaelaria on October 28, 2008, 07:09:16 pm
I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere...but it's kind of like watching Bush try to tell it...painful.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: oldcsar on October 28, 2008, 09:29:16 pm
I certainly hope the original poster is joking... his website shows that he's doing a workshop on Lightroom in early Nov. All I can say is that if he's not joking, this inquiry may lead to his embarrassment.

To me, this is like going to Burger King, ordering a Big Mac, and then inquiring as to why it isn't on the menu.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: kaelaria on October 28, 2008, 09:37:33 pm
Oh god, what if he is actually serious, thinking the slideshow browse for folder means playlist?  If he's really giving a seminar now i REALLY hope this is a joke!!

If not -  'browse for folder with music' means a folder of mp3's, not itunes playlist.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Richowens on October 28, 2008, 10:19:02 pm
On a Mac it is an iTunes playlist, on PC it is mp3's.

 He wants to add music to his slideshow playing within LR.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 29, 2008, 07:02:15 am
Gee ... thanks for all the support guys!     and thanks Rich for pointing out the difference between Mac and PC.

Seriously though, on my MacPro at the office I can choose a playlist from my iTunes library with no problem.  On my iMac at home it can't find it.  

And as far as the workshop goes, I have been using Lr professionally since the first Beta and use it probably 5-6 hours a day (sometimes more) at least 6 days a week. I've already run these workshops successfully so no worries there.  The workshop on Nov. 15 is on the Library and Develop modules only.  So hopefully, with the generous and kind support from members of this forum my iTunes problem will be solved before I do the Slideshow module workshop eh!?  


Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: francois on October 29, 2008, 07:20:37 am
Quote from: Mike Guilbault
Gee ... thanks for all the support guys!     and thanks Rich for pointing out the difference between Mac and PC.

Seriously though, on my MacPro at the office I can choose a playlist from my iTunes library with no problem.  On my iMac at home it can't find it.  

And as far as the workshop goes, I have been using Lr professionally since the first Beta and use it probably 5-6 hours a day (sometimes more) at least 6 days a week. I've already run these workshops successfully so no worries there.  The workshop on Nov. 15 is on the Library and Develop modules only.  So hopefully, with the generous and kind support from members of this forum my iTunes problem will be solved before I do the Slideshow module workshop eh!?
What happens if you delete Lightroom's preferences files? Actually, you could move it to your desktop to see it changes something. In the preferences file, I can see  some references to a music source folder…

Edit: I remember that on one occasion I had to toggle music sharing in iTunes (Off -> On ->Off or On -> Off -> On) to get Lightroom to play music during a slideshow.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: kaelaria on October 29, 2008, 07:26:33 am
That's weird that the mac and pc versions would be different like that.  Sorry!!
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: JDClements on October 29, 2008, 05:45:32 pm
Quote from: Richowens
He wants to add music to his slideshow playing within LR.

That answers my question. Lightroom does play music (in the slideshow module). That's cool, I never noticed that before.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 29, 2008, 09:45:19 pm
Quote from: francois
What happens if you delete Lightroom's preferences files? Actually, you could move it to your desktop to see it changes something. In the preferences file, I can see  some references to a music source folder…

Edit: I remember that on one occasion I had to toggle music sharing in iTunes (Off -> On ->Off or On -> Off -> On) to get Lightroom to play music during a slideshow.


I tried toggling music sharing off and on, and even opening LR and iTunes in different order (which is how I need to make it work on my G5), but still nothing.

Couldn't find any preference files that related to iTunes.  Any idea where I may find them?  My iTunes library is shared with my wife (who has her own user account).  This may have something to do with it as it's the only thing I can think of that is really different from my home to work computers.

Very frustrating!

Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: JDClements on October 29, 2008, 09:53:31 pm
It seems weird that iTunes can see this folder, but LR cannot, so I would check for the folder with another app. For example, can you see the folder of music files in a file explorer (or what ever it is called on the Mac) window?
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 30, 2008, 07:00:44 am
Yup.. can find the folder of music with no problem in "Finder".
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: francois on October 30, 2008, 07:22:12 am
Quote from: Mike Guilbault

Couldn't find any preference files that related to iTunes.  Any idea where I may find them?  My iTunes library is shared with my wife (who has her own user account).  This may have something to do with it as it's the only thing I can think of that is really different from my home to work computers.

I was talking about the com.adobe.lightroom2.plist pref file. There's a field which makes reference to a music source folder (you'll need to use Property List Editor or convert it to standard XML). I don't know if this could help or not.

As for sharing being On or Off, on my Macs, it makes no difference.

Have you tried to quit Lightroom and move that pref file (~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.lightrom2.plist) to your desktop and then to re-launch Lightroom? Did you repair the disk permissions?
What happens if you log-in as a different user? Any message in the console?

It's not always easy to diagnose such problems, unfortunately.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: vandevanterSH on October 30, 2008, 10:48:44 pm
Quote from: John Schweikert
No offense, but nobody can actually be a photographer, meaning being behind a camera and take photographs, and use LR 5-6 hours a day for 6 days a week.

Come on.

Maybe the upper limit of what is possible should be established by Jeff Schewe; a successful photographer and digital imaging software expert.

Steve
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 30, 2008, 11:43:35 pm
Quote from: John Schweikert
No offense, but nobody can actually be a photographer, meaning being behind a camera and take photographs, and use LR 5-6 hours a day for 6 days a week.

Come on.

  No offense taken... but... it may not be 5-6 hours EVERY day, but at this time of year it's close.  I use it to download, organize, sort, select, process, keyword, create slideshows, web galleries, etc. from each and every shoot that I do.  I'm a one man operation so I do everything.  And no offense... but you have no idea of my work schedule. Today, it was closer to 7 hours while I was working on some recent weddings.  And on my day off (notice the 'day' rather than 'days' off)... I'm still a photographer and use it to process my personal work, stock files, workshops, etc.  Geesh.. no wonder my wife is mad at me!  

What's with all the snide comments anyway?  I came here looking for some help with a problem and get slammed.  Certainly not what I expected from this forum.  If you don't have anything constructive to say.. don't waste my time thinking I've got a legitimate reply to my question.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 30, 2008, 11:50:14 pm
Quote from: francois
I was talking about the com.adobe.lightroom2.plist pref file. There's a field which makes reference to a music source folder (you'll need to use Property List Editor or convert it to standard XML). I don't know if this could help or not.

As for sharing being On or Off, on my Macs, it makes no difference.

Have you tried to quit Lightroom and move that pref file (~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.lightrom2.plist) to your desktop and then to re-launch Lightroom? Did you repair the disk permissions?
What happens if you log-in as a different user? Any message in the console?

It's not always easy to diagnose such problems, unfortunately.

Thank you for the suggestions Francois.  I won't have time until the weekend to try some of those but I appreciate your effort to help me out.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 31, 2008, 12:07:23 am
Quote from: Mike Guilbault
... And as far as the workshop goes, I have been using Lr professionally.. I've already run these workshops successfully so no worries there.  The workshop on Nov. 15 is on the Library and Develop modules only...

Sorry, can not contribute to the original question... but have a different one: assuming the workshop is commercial, and you want to play music from iTunes... what about musical copyright? Not trying to be snide, just genuinely curious.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on October 31, 2008, 06:51:02 am
Quote from: slobodan56
Sorry, can not contribute to the original question... but have a different one: assuming the workshop is commercial, and you want to play music from iTunes... what about musical copyright? Not trying to be snide, just genuinely curious.

Not snide at all and a very good question.  My understanding is that if you are selling the slideshow or using it for a commercial application, then copyright comes into play.  There are various licenses you can purchase to use recorded music, and of course it'll depend somewhat on which country you reside in.  There is plenty of royalty free music available for use in slideshows and the like.  Many of these are instrumental in nature which quite often suites slideshows better.

Hope that helps.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: JDClements on October 31, 2008, 06:03:33 pm
Quote from: John Schweikert
No offense, but nobody can actually be a photographer, meaning being behind a camera and take photographs, and use LR 5-6 hours a day for 6 days a week.

Given that some people believe (with outdoor photography at least) that it is only worthwhile photographing for a few hours around sunrise and again for a few hours around sunset, that leaves a lot of time in the day for all the other fun stuff.

(But I think it is unhealthy to work 6 days a week!)  
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: James R on October 31, 2008, 08:14:57 pm
Quote from: Mike Guilbault
For some reason, LR is not finding my iTunes playlists.  I select the refresh option, but still nothing.

Any ideas?

Very odd!  LR2 on my MBP finds my play lists with no problem.   I'm wondering if you have moved your iTunes music to a folder different than the default iTunes folder structure, which uses the "Music" folder as the parent?  If so, LR2 might be looking to the default iTunes location, rather than your preferred location.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Jim Pascoe on November 01, 2008, 06:05:33 am
Quote from: John Schweikert
No offense, but nobody can actually be a photographer, meaning being behind a camera and take photographs, and use LR 5-6 hours a day for 6 days a week.

Come on.

John

You are joking right?  5 hours a day for 6 days is 30 hours.  There are many weeks, sometimes for months on end, when I spend 30 hours or more in front of Lightroom.
That time might include initial editing, image adjustments, and then printing pictures.  We mainly do wedding work and so are dealing with hundreds of pictures at a time.
If we do 2 weddings on a weekend that may give us more than a thousand pictures to go through, of which 400 would need to be printed.  With LR2 I find that I rarely
need to use Photoshop anymore, so spend a lot more time in Lightroom.

Of course, and I do not know if you are a professional photographer or not, you may be thinking of only a 40 hour working week.  I wish!  

Jim

Update.  Just had a look at your website and I guess you are a working photographer!  Very nice work by the way.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on November 01, 2008, 06:47:35 am
Quote from: James R
Very odd!  LR2 on my MBP finds my play lists with no problem.   I'm wondering if you have moved your iTunes music to a folder different than the default iTunes folder structure, which uses the "Music" folder as the parent?  If so, LR2 might be looking to the default iTunes location, rather than your preferred location.

It has been moved to the Shared folder.. but iTunes knows this.  You'd think that Lr would recognize this too.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: francois on November 01, 2008, 06:56:38 am
Quote from: Mike Guilbault
It has been moved to the Shared folder.. but iTunes knows this.  You'd think that Lr would recognize this too.
If your iTunes library has been moved from its default location, Lightroom will not find it -  at least this is how it works on my Macs. I should have asked you about that before…
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Mike Guilbault on November 04, 2008, 09:46:31 pm
Quote from: francois
If your iTunes library has been moved from its default location, Lightroom will not find it -  at least this is how it works on my Macs. I should have asked you about that before…

Sounds like that's the problem François.  


Well... I moved my iTunes library back to the Music folder and it works fine now.  That was the problem all along.  Thanks for the help François!

Gee.. now I can let my Lr class know not to move the Music library!!  
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: francois on November 05, 2008, 09:26:56 am
Quote from: Mike Guilbault
Sounds like that's the problem François.  


Well... I moved my iTunes library back to the Music folder and it works fine now.  That was the problem all along.  Thanks for the help François!

Gee.. now I can let my Lr class know not to move the Music library!!  
It's good to hear that you finally found the root of your problem…
 

Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: jjj on November 05, 2008, 10:12:26 am
Quote from: kaelaria
That's weird that the mac and pc versions would be different like that.  Sorry!!
It's not unusual to find lots of little difference between Mac + PC versions of software, sometimes due to how the OSs differ, sometimes as tweaks are added to one version and not the other. PS certainly varies between platforms.

As for the first few replies and those who only work 40 hours a week - I have to say they only showed how ignorant some people are and how loudly they like to show their ignorance whilst trying to put others down. I gave up on this board for a while due to this moronic behaviour. Sadly it seems like the unpleasantness is increasing again, judging by many recent posts.

An apology from all buffoons would be nice.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: john beardsworth on November 05, 2008, 10:38:18 am
Mike

Does LR find the music if you leave the iTunes library in the shared location, and put an alias to it in the Music folder?

John
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: francois on November 05, 2008, 10:59:23 am
Quote from: johnbeardy
Mike

Does LR find the music if you leave the iTunes library in the shared location, and put an alias to it in the Music folder?

John
I'm not Mike but I tried to move my iTunes library from its default location and create an alias (with the same name). Surprisingly, Lightroom didn't find it…
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: JDClements on November 05, 2008, 06:41:39 pm
Quote from: jjj
As for the first few replies and those who only work 40 hours a week - I have to say they only showed how ignorant some people are and how loudly they like to show their ignorance whilst trying to put others down. I gave up on this board for a while due to this moronic behaviour. Sadly it seems like the unpleasantness is increasing again, judging by many recent posts.

An apology from all buffoons would be nice.

My reply was the first, which would count as "the first few replies." Are you referring to my post?
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: kaelaria on November 05, 2008, 07:49:56 pm
Oh, I see - so calling people 'ignorant unpleasant moronic buffoons' is ok though.  Gotcha.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: Victoria Bampton on November 09, 2008, 05:42:39 pm
Mike, try a Symbolic Link rather than an Alias.  No promises, but it's worked nicely on other LR bits in the past.
Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: jjj on November 09, 2008, 10:48:38 pm
Quote from: kaelaria
Oh, I see - so calling people 'ignorant unpleasant moronic buffoons' is ok though.  Gotcha.
If it's an accurate description of behaviour yes, it's perfectly OK.    


Title: LR & iTunes
Post by: jjj on November 09, 2008, 10:51:19 pm
Quote from: JDClements
My reply was the first, which would count as "the first few replies." Are you referring to my post?
You weren't trying to put others down, so no.