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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: Bas Stekelenburg on September 27, 2008, 11:05:10 am
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After years of reading and thinking, rereading, rethinking and doubts, There Will Be A New Printer.
It will be either a Canon iPF6100, an Epson 7880 or a HP Z3200. If you (or you, or you,) can convince me which one is the Right Choice.
Much, but not all will be printed black and white; I’m an old B/W darkroom addict.
What are my considerations? I have “only” a Nikon D700, which means 12 MP RAW files. I have no experience with up-res (programs), I use Lightroom 2.1 and PS CS3 only on a Vista platform with two calibrated 22” displays.
To date I print not salable copies on a 13” Canon i9900. So I thought, maybe the 17” Canon iPF 5100 or the Epson 4880 is big enough…
However, I do have thousands of Nikon F5 and Hasselblad 6x6 negatives; 99 % B/W of which the 10% best to be scanned (ever) to print them again on my new machine. And, when the next Nikon camera appears with 20+ MP, I will be able to print 24” wide with acceptable quality, right?
Questions, questions, questions.
For my B/W work the HP Z3200 with 4 blacks (in matt) seems to be the best, but is also the most expensive of the three. BTW, do I need the PS version, even more expensive?
I do not print daily, and the printer must be placed in my not too big office, so the sound of the always-on HP might be annoying, or not? Do you know?
I hate to swap the Epson PB / MB cartridges for the loss of ink. Not nice, right?
Questions, questions, questions.
I used to print on Ilford and Agfa multigrade barite, with its egg-shine, toned in selenium, mmmm. What paper to use on the new printer to get that back? Should I try the 1000 and 1 brand and third party papers? Start with the Hanemulle and other well-respected newest papers? Which one? And how do I tell my Canon / Epson the way to handle this paper? Only the HP has a profiling tool. Other question, how does Lightroom knows how to use my printer profiles?
Questions, questions, questions.
I would really appreciate any detailed advice, based more or less on my situation. I read these columns since I’m a member, in fact that is why I know that any of these printers is a good choice. I live and work in Amsterdam, so if any of you lives not too far I’ll be glad to come and take a look of How You Did It And Why, but please react wherever you live.
Bas.
P.S. And then the news came in of a Canon iPF6200. Waiting again?
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Just my 2 cents-
I've been using an HP Z3100 for the past 18 months after years with large format Epsons. If black & white is your thing, I don't think you can beat the HP Z printers. Four blacks all the time, and a D-max on matte papers which is perceptibly darker than the best Epson can do. The built-in spectro really does work transparently and easily, and I've been more than pleased with the quality of resulting profiles. This makes it a snap to try out new papers, and I have a handful of favorites I use depending on subject matter.
I don't think you need the PS model unless you're printing a lot of vector graphics. The HP printer takes care of its own head cleaning and maintenance if you leave it on; all is well even if you don't print for weeks. You can hear the fan and hard disk if you're in a very quiet room, but I have mine right next to my computer desk & it's not objectionable. At infrequent intervals the printer does wake up to spray a few droplets and confirm that the heads are clear.
Epson's big advantage is in paper handling, where its vacuum transport does a better job with very thick or delicate papers, and in third-party support. You're more likely to find canned profiles for the Epson printers that are decent.
Your Nikon D700 has plenty of resolution to produce a really good 18x24" print with even minimally competent post-processing, so you'll find a 24" wide printer worth it. And you can always go bigger by stitching.
I don't have any experience with Canon's wide format printers; others on this forum can speak to them. They definitely have their own virtues.
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Bas, I started my fotografy 'career' in 2000, soon had pairs of D30s, then D60s, then a 1Ds. I bought an Epson 7000 (with dye inks) and then an Epson 7600UC. I've made hundreds of about-22X34" prints and 50+"-wide panos with both. I sold the 7600 when I got out of landscape fotografy a couple years ago, but I'm back and am looking for a printer myself. Mine will be a 17"er.
You have plenty of resolution for large prints on any of these machines. I'd use Photoshop to uprez the images to the desired size and the native resolution of each printer...240 or 360PPI for the Epson, 200 or 300PPI (I believe) for the Canon. Sharpen carefully and your prints will look spectacular.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Landscapes/3onwall_1000w.jpg)
(BTW the bulbs here are 5100K flourescent reflectored floods.)
If B&W prints are important, pay attention to those who know something about printing them; the ink switching inherent with the Epsons probably is at least an inconvenience and maybe even an expensive deal-killer.
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You won't beat the HP for B&W - absolutely gorgeous results...
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Bas,
A couple of things to consider if cost is a consideration.
- where are you going to get your profiles?
- are you going to use stock profiles?
- are you going to purchase profiles from someone?
As you've pointed out the HP Z has a built in spectro. I factored in the desire/need for a spectro into my printer decision and the HP Z didn't look most expensive any more.
For me, the Z doesn't make enough noise to be noticeable. I only hear it when it starts up for its periodic self checks.
The Print module in Lightroom allows you to choose print profiles. It doesn't allow you to perform softproofing. Right now that's best accomplished in Photoshop. You can go from Lightroom to Photoshop for softproofing/adjustment and back to Lightroom for printing.
In reality any of the printers you mention will provide dazzling prints that will delight you and your customers.
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I would include the Epson 7900 with the spectro option. It doesn't purge a lot of ink on switches, has a doubled head nozzle count, a better system for the spectro, and all the things the past 7880 had like aspirated media path.
BTW the Z printers don't use 4 blacks on many matte papers, nor would you want too. The photo black on matte is actually unnecessary, hence redundant.
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If black & white is your thing, I don't think you can beat the HP Z printers.
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That's what my 17 months of experience with the z3100 says as well. Sounds like you can get a real deal on a z3100, or spend a lot more $$$ and get the z3200. Can't go wrong either way.
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Hi Bas
I have been using an ipf6100 since February and it is a great printer. My previous printer was an Epson 4000, and like many users was frustrated by the amount of ink wasted with head cleaning.
The Canon has been working fairly hard, with at least seven 30meter rolls used, plus canvas, and thousands of cut sheets. The price of ink seems very reasonable, particularly if you are selling the prints!
I too love black and white, and the prints really are good. There is even a dedicated print plug-in
supplied by Canon which is very easy to use.
Of course, unlike some of the posters here, I do not have a range of different printers to directly compare. But what I can say is that the ipf6100 is everything I need in a printer at this time.
Jim
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Just my 2 cents-
I've been using an HP Z3100 for the past 18 months after years with large format Epsons. If black & white is your thing, I don't think you can beat the HP Z printers. Four blacks all the time, and a D-max on matte papers which is perceptibly darker than the best Epson can do. The built-in spectro really does work transparently and easily, and I've been more than pleased with the quality of resulting profiles. This makes it a snap to try out new papers, and I have a handful of favorites I use depending on subject matter.
Dear Geoff,
A good and to the point advise. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I’m leaning over to HP. In fact, I choose HP. But. Here in Holland I found a favorable deal for the Z3100. Only one small detail…. Sold out, everywhere. Now I’m back to zero, because the Z3200, nobody even knows when it will be in stock, goes for much more bananas.
I’ll keep you (all) informed how the story continues.
Bas
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You won't beat the HP for B&W - absolutely gorgeous results...
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Dear Bryan G,
your advise was not what we call elaborate, but sufficient. I followed, see my reply to Geoff.
Bas
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Bas,
As you've pointed out the HP Z has a built in spectro. I factored in the desire/need for a spectro into my printer decision and the HP Z didn't look most expensive any more.
For me, the Z doesn't make enough noise to be noticeable. I only hear it when it starts up for its periodic self checks.
Dear Ron,
You’re absolutely right that I must add the cost of a profiler, at least a Color Munki, for a decent comparison. I was glad to hear that the noise of the Z3100 is minor, it helped me with choosing for HP. But… see what I wrote Geoff.
Bas
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I would include the Epson 7900 with the spectro option. It doesn't purge a lot of ink on switches, has a doubled head nozzle count, a better system for the spectro, and all the things the past 7880 had like aspirated media path.
BTW the Z printers don't use 4 blacks on many matte papers, nor would you want too. The photo black on matte is actually unnecessary, hence redundant.
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Dear Neil,
after looking at your GREAT website, what a beautiful pictures, attractive women, beautiful colors and strong B & W’s, but most of all after reading your enthusiastic report on the HP Z3100 (where you wrote yourself about the four blacks used at certain matte papers) I was a little surprised with your reaction to include the Epson 7900. I learned that the spectro is but an option here and that Epson continues the 7880, more for photographers, aside the 7900, more for the (proofing and spot color using) graphic industry. Am I wrong?
Your closer to me then many of the others (Amsterdam Paris can be done by TGV Real Soon Now) and I’ll love to take a look one day, possible?
Bas
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That's what my 17 months of experience with the z3100 says as well. Sounds like you can get a real deal on a z3100, or spend a lot more $$$ and get the z3200. Can't go wrong either way.
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Roscolo, I’m convinced, but please read my answer to Geoff.
Bas
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Hi Bas
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The Canon has been working fairly hard, with at least seven 30meter rolls used, plus canvas, and thousands of cut sheets. The price of ink seems very reasonable, particularly if you are selling the prints!
I too love black and white, and the prints really are good. There is even a dedicated print plug-in
supplied by Canon which is very easy to use.
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Jim
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Thank you Jim, I must honestly say that I started my trip with a Canon in mind, was pulled over to the HP side, especially because of the spectro and the 4 blacks on matte, and now, as you can read in my respond to Geoff, I am back to where I started because of the big price difference between the brand new Z3200 and the sold out Z3100, about 1000 Euro difference.
Bas
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After 6 years of using Epson 44" printers, I had a reason (speed) and opportunity (aggressive price breaks by Canon) to buy an ipf 8100.
Over the last year and a half I wanted very much to talk myself into getting the Z3100 and didn't for two reasons-reduced red saturation in shadows on matte papers and reports of paper handling difficulties, especially with glossy papers.
After using the Canon for 6 weeks, I feel there is very little difference in raw image quality with my Epson 9800. Each printer has slight differences in color, but they are so close I am almost not able to see differences in side by side comparisons. Where the Canon does always win, however, is in it's blues. The Epson, printing through the ImagePrint RIP, has slightly more shadow detail, but I can usually tweak a little more out of the image when printing on the 8100 so as not to have much difference.
The Canon is also at least twice as fast and with both black inks I'm enjoying printing on different papers. Paper feeding, both roll and sheet, is very straight forward. The Photoshop plug-in makes true 16 bit printing easy.
So, if cost is an issue and the 6100 is being discounted in Europe as heavily as it is in the states, don't worry about the image quality or workflow issues with Canon printers.
After years of reading and thinking, rereading, rethinking and doubts, There Will Be A New Printer.
It will be either a Canon iPF6100, an Epson 7880 or a HP Z3200. If you (or you, or you,) can convince me which one is the Right Choice.
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Hi Bas,
we already exchanged a few emails outside the forum, I think Rob Reiter touched the same points as I did: all three printers deliver are on par with each other, however each with their own strength and weaknesses.
As far as I know, from a money point of view the canon offers the most bang for the buck in the Netherlands, even if you buy a seperate print profiling kit.
Just 1 point to add to the 16 bit printing: The Canon PS plugin is a delight to use and it will take 16 bits PS files as input, but the printer itself is "only" 12 bits. However these 12 bits still give you far more numbers of greys then 8 bits (256 values) opposed to when you print through the windows printer driver which is always 8 bits by design of Mr. Gates. I'm not aware if OS-X does 16 bits.
Huib
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Hi Bas,
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As far as I know, from a money point of view the canon offers the most bang for the buck in the Netherlands, even if you buy a seperate print profiling kit.
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Huib
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O.K. I'm not opposed to Canon; what profiling kit do you suggest?
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O.K. I'm not opposed to Canon; what profiling kit do you suggest?
I have virtually no experience with the 6100 but I just ordered one after looking at it very closely at the PhotoPlus Expo in NYC. I have been using an Epson 7600 and decided to buy the new unit. Everything I read about it was positive and the prints I looked at were excellent.
It was a deal that I couldn't pass up. Midwest Photo is selling it for $2149 delivered. (The place I bought it from matched the price and gave me a $100 roll of paper too.) And for units bought before the end of October, Canon is giving a rebate of $500 in paper. It comes only with 90ml starter cartridges but as there are 12 of them, I figure the ink is worth about $600. So deducting the paper and the ink, the printer costs about $950 and if I can sell my 7600 for any reasonable price, I'll do pretty well. I guess Canon expects to make money off of me from future ink sales.
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So deducting the paper and the ink, the printer costs about $950 and if I can sell my 7600 for any reasonable price, I'll do pretty well. I guess Canon expects to make money off of me from future ink sales.
And print heads...since Canon charges about $600 per head (it takes two), depending on the the amount of printing you do, it'll cost you about $1200 to replace the heads. Just pointing that out as Michael found out after doing what he thought was not a huge amount of printing and having to replace his heads. Many people do not factor this cost in when they buy. HP charges $30-40/head (replaceable individually) and Epsons rarely need head replacements (you hope).
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And print heads...since Canon charges about $600 per head (it takes two), depending on the the amount of printing you do, it'll cost you about $1200 to replace the heads. Just pointing that out as Michael found out after doing what he thought was not a huge amount of printing and having to replace his heads. Many people do not factor this cost in when they buy. HP charges $30-40/head (replaceable individually) and Epsons rarely need head replacements (you hope).
Yes very expensive and I don't know why, although you can get them for a little bit less. ($1000-$1100) They are supposed to be good for around 1100 24x36 inch prints. So about $1 per print at this size. And I figure that I am not printing such a high volume to go though the heads very quickly. I don't know how many prints Michael got and I wonder if this was normal wear or head failure. (Reports I read showed few needed replacement but a couple failed under warranty.) Of course this could still be the bug in the ointment, but if I end up selling so many prints, the cost of the heads won't bother me too much, or perhaps it will be so long from now that a new printer will be a better choice at that time. I think I would have stuck with the 7600 if I had to spend $3000 - $4000 on a new printer.
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And print heads...since Canon charges about $600 per head (it takes two), depending on the the amount of printing you do, it'll cost you about $1200 to replace the heads. Just pointing that out as Michael found out after doing what he thought was not a huge amount of printing and having to replace his heads. Many people do not factor this cost in when they buy. HP charges $30-40/head (replaceable individually) and Epsons rarely need head replacements (you hope).
A friend with an iPF9000 had to replace 4 head sets meanwhile in about 20 months (+ two ribbon tube sets to the head). Paid by Canon though. That printer was running day in day out and the ink sales must have made it a good deal for Canon nevertheless.
The two channel head (6 per printer) of the Z3100/Z3200 cost in total approx. $ 330 for the 6 but can be replaced individually at $ 55 each. With the intermittent use of my Z3100 over a similar period I didn't have to change heads at all. Similar reports from other Z3100 users on the Wide Inkjet Printers list.
Ernst Dinkla
Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/)
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Dear Geoff,
A good and to the point advise. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I’m leaning over to HP. In fact, I choose HP. But. Here in Holland I found a favorable deal for the Z3100. Only one small detail…. Sold out, everywhere. Now I’m back to zero, because the Z3200, nobody even knows when it will be in stock, goes for much more bananas.
I’ll keep you (all) informed how the story continues.
Bas
Quality Graphics had a deal on the Z3100. Not one left there ?
Ernst Dinkla
Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/)
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I am also considering a Z3100 or Z3200. I can still get the z3100 for 1000 Euros cheaper than the Z3200, should I go for it while I can OR spend the extra on the Z3200?
Yes very expensive and I don't know why, although you can get them for a little bit less. ($1000-$1100) They are supposed to be good for around 1100 24x36 inch prints. So about $1 per print at this size. And I figure that I am not printing such a high volume to go though the heads very quickly. I don't know how many prints Michael got and I wonder if this was normal wear or head failure. (Reports I read showed few needed replacement but a couple failed under warranty.) Of course this could still be the bug in the ointment, but if I end up selling so many prints, the cost of the heads won't bother me too much, or perhaps it will be so long from now that a new printer will be a better choice at that time. I think I would have stuck with the 7600 if I had to spend $3000 - $4000 on a new printer.
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I am also considering a Z3100 or Z3200. I can still get the z3100 for 1000 Euros cheaper than the Z3200, should I go for it while I can OR spend the extra on the Z3200?
What do you intend to print?
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What do you intend to print?
My interest is in printing large colour & mono landscapes.
gerry
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And print heads...since Canon charges about $600 per head (it takes two), depending on the the amount of printing you do, it'll cost you about $1200 to replace the heads. Just pointing that out as Michael found out after doing what he thought was not a huge amount of printing and having to replace his heads. Many people do not factor this cost in when they buy. HP charges $30-40/head (replaceable individually) and Epsons rarely need head replacements (you hope).
6100 update - I received the printer 3 days ago and I am very pleased with the printing quality and how it works. The Canon site has a pdf about expected head life. They say the expected life is 14,000 16.5" x 23.4" prints. That sounds pretty good to me as I am sure I won't make nearly that many prints. I think there must have been something wrong to cause Michaels to wear out so fast. Hoepefully mine will hold up.
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My interest is in printing large colour & mono landscapes.
gerry
Unless you need the new reds of the Z3200 I think the Z3100 would serve you well. I'm guessing that you'd be printing mostly on fine art matte papers.
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Hi, new here and have been following this, I am looking at the ipf6100 and found what looks like a deal at Shades of paper for $1800 if I buy an extra ink set at $69 per tank x 12 = $828. Can any one tell me will this printer work with CS4 and will it work on a 64bit system also any feed back on Shades of Paper ? also it sounds like a good price, I am sure its being discounted due to the arrival of the 6200. any thoughts wouls be much appreciated.
Thanks.
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Hi, new here and have been following this, I am looking at the ipf6100 and found what looks like a deal at Shades of paper for $1800 if I buy an extra ink set at $69 per tank x 12 = $828. Can any one tell me will this printer work with CS4 and will it work on a 64bit system also any feed back on Shades of Paper ? also it sounds like a good price, I am sure its being discounted due to the arrival of the 6200. any thoughts wouls be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Note: After writing this post, I just noticed a post showing how to install the Canon printer plug-in onto CS4 (MAC) I imagine you can also place it into the Windows CS4 plug-in folder, presuming it will work. But 64 bit is another matter.
I think you better check with Canon on the driver specs. I just got the 6100 and am using it in 32 bit Windows XP. The best way to print with it is using the export plug in driver that works in Photoshop or DPP. This takes the place of the standard Photoshop printing method and if you use 16 bit files, it will send 12 bits of data to the printer rather than 8. A lot of other things about this driver are better too.
It comes with printing plug-ins for Photoshop 6 through CS3. I am not sure if the CS3 one would work on CS4. If not, you and I need to find out when the CS4 plug-in will arrive, because I plan on getting CS4 soon. I found when printing from DPP, it doesn't allow for files larger than 6,000x6,000 pixels. I was at a Canon seminar a few days ago and told this to Canon's wide format printing rep. and she was surprised. She asked for a screen shot showing the error message that I get when I try to print from larger files via DPP and the plug-in only. I will try to get in touch with her in the next couple of days for the other questions as I need to know that too.
I am not sure why there are such deals on the 6100 but I am told that the 6200 is the same printer with a hard disk. That will allow you to store and easily re-print photos. But Canon's printing plug in also stores the job information from each print on your computer, so you can access it and easily re-print anyway as long as your images are still on the computer.
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Allan, thanks for the info, I'm looking forward to doing my own prints, I'm not sure why but its harder for me to pull the trigger on this than on a 5D MkII, its a little scary buying your first real printer, can you make any recomendations on paper for color landscapes for gallery and sale ? also where you able to print larger using the CS3 plugin ? is there an ipf 6100 wiki ?
Thanks again, Ross.
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Allan, thanks for the info, I'm looking forward to doing my own prints, I'm not sure why but its harder for me to pull the trigger on this than on a 5D MkII, its a little scary buying your first real printer, can you make any recomendations on paper for color landscapes for gallery and sale ? also where you able to print larger using the CS3 plugin ? is there an ipf 6100 wiki ?
Thanks again, Ross.
I don't presently use any version of Photoshop. (I used to use it and I expect to get CS4 before long.) I've been printing large files from the standard print function in several programs using the regular Canon driver. (Not the 16 bit plug in.) I print images that are smaller than 6,000 pixels with the 16bit plug in.
Keep in mind that I've only had this printer for a week, although I have years of experience using an Epson 7600 large format printer. I looked at a book of sample images printed on various Canon papers. They all looked very nice to me and had good profiles. Canon Polished Rag 300gsm is a very nice fine art matte paper but is expensive. It has a very nice surface texture. If the surface is not important to you the Canon Premium Matte paper 210 gsm looks very nice and is inexpensive for a matte finished paper.
I was given a roll of canvas from the place where I bought the printer. I like the prints on the canvas very much. (For the right subjects.) It was from a place called proimagingsupplies.com and is called: Digipros Premium PC19 Matte Canvas, 24" x 40' Roll, 19 mil.
When I bought my printer there was a rebate for $500 in Canon paper. So I have little choice but to try out some Canon paper first. I ordered Heavyweight Satin photo paper 300gsm and RC Photo Matte - both to be used for commercial work along with the Premium Matte. I also ordered some Canon Graphic Matte Canvas to try out. I am sure there are others here that have much more experience with papers than I have.
For detailed info. about the drivers, you might want to contact Diana Bowe. She is Canon's wide format printer rep. for the East Coast - dbowe@cusa.canon.com
There is a Canon ipf wiki that explains the various drivers, software and pretty much everything else about the printer. http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/ (http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/)
I learned a lot from the wiki site. For instance, the printer has an internal calibration system. Unfortunately there is nothing about this in the manual or installation instructions. I assumed that it would perform the calibration as part of the initial setup. But I found out on the wiki that you have to go to the printer's control panel and perform the calibration from there. I have no idea why they went through all of the trouble to design and implement such a sophisticated calibration system and then didn't mention it in the manual.
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Correction. Diane Bowe's email at Canon is dbowe@cusa.canon.com (I updated this in the post above too.)
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Note: After writing this post, I just noticed a post showing how to install the Canon printer plug-in onto CS4 (MAC) I imagine you can also place it into the Windows CS4 plug-in folder, presuming it will work. But 64 bit is another matter.
would you kindly post where you found the info to install the plug-in into CS4???
many thanks
bill
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would you kindly post where you found the info to install the plug-in into CS4???
many thanks
bill
Here it is from another thread. (It is also covered in the Canon ipf wiki.) It sounds a bit complicated, but I think you can also just drag the plugin from the CS3 plug-in folder to the CS4 plugin folder.
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Hello everyone! I've been waiting to register on LL for a very long time now, it looks like registration is open again for new members. I have posted this on GetDPI's forum and wanted to post this here too. Here's a quick solution to get the CS3 IPF5100 printer plug-in to work Photoshop CS4.
Open up the IPF5100/6100 CS3 Print Plug-In, instead of allowing the installer to automatically install into Photoshop CS3's directory, click on Choose Destination. The installer will then close all applications, so make sure that you've saved your tabs in Firefox, Photoshop images, etc. A destination finder will pop up to choose the target location, go to Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS4/Plug-ins and click on the Choose button. After that, the installation will proceed just like normal and will pop up in the Export tab under the File menu in Photoshop CS4.
If you have any profiles that you would like to transfer over to Photoshop CS4-
Macintosh HD/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Profiles.
ColorSync Folder Path-
Macintosh HD/Library/ColorSync/Profiles.
Make sure you run Disk Utility in Applications/Utilities to repair your permissions on your OS X partition. Then you're done.
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Dear Geoff,
A good and to the point advise. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I’m leaning over to HP. In fact, I choose HP. But. Here in Holland I found a favorable deal for the Z3100. Only one small detail…. Sold out, everywhere. Now I’m back to zero, because the Z3200, nobody even knows when it will be in stock, goes for much more bananas.
I’ll keep you (all) informed how the story continues.
Bas
Try where I bought mine from, they always have things in stock.. or it seems.
www.itsupplies.com
I love my 3100. The only thing I kickmyself in the a$$ for is not buying the bigger 44". But I couldn't afford it at the time. I've had mine now since June and have run more paper through it than I ran through my 9180 in the time I had it.. and that was a LOT of paper.
QImage is my absolute fave for printing with the 3100 as well. I don't know if the Chromogenic red of the 3200 makes that much difference, but as I said.. the 3100 rocks.