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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: FrançoisTT on September 23, 2008, 11:22:26 am
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For the Hy6 users, F&H are announcing :
- 6060 film magazine
- AF Apogon 120mm HTF
- Prism viewfinder
- Remote release
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Do you have more details?
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Has anyone seen or used the remote control yet? I use the 6008 remote every time I shoot a static subject, especially the mirror lock up feature.
Does the Hy6 remote offer MLU as well? Hard to see much in this photo:
(http://www.photoscala.de/grafik/2008/Ausloeser_01.jpg)
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I managed to take a few frames with the new 120 AFD and it is very very good from what I saw.
And yes the new cable release does MLU.
Yair
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Thanks, Yair.
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Delivery dates for the 90% viewer?
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(http://www.photoscala.de/grafik/2008/Ausloeser_01.jpg)
I don't know about that little cable release, but that Rolleiflex is a pretty camera.
Still, why can't they make the whole thing black?
JR
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James,
the two tone look is actually o.k in real life.
A lot nicer than the Hassy H series two tone.
However the Hy6 in totally black would be nice as well.
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In my opinion the all black Rolleiflex looks a lot better than two-tone Leaf and Sinar cameras.
Eduardo
Edit: I just noticed the WLF in the Rolleiflex is slightly grayed out. Come on Rollei, show'em how to dress a camera. Paint it black too. Don't you know black is the "in" color for this fall?
James,
the two tone look is actually o.k in real life.
A lot nicer than the Hassy H series two tone.
However the Hy6 in totally black would be nice as well.
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In my opinion the all black Rolleiflex looks a lot better than two-tone Leaf and Sinar cameras.
Eduardo
Edit: I just noticed the WLF in the Rolleiflex is slightly grayed out. Come on Rollei, show'em how to dress a camera. Paint it black too.
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All 3 cameras carry the exact same two tone colour scheme.
Yair
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All 3 cameras carry the exact same two tone colour scheme.
Yair
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Yair,
Tell em to stop that.
JR
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Really? I was under the impression the Rolleiflex was "blacker"
Beautiful cameras anyway. They are my obi-wans.
Eduardo
All 3 cameras carry the exact same two tone colour scheme.
Yair
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Well the one they sell at KurlandPhoto is black...
Ebay item: 270276727485
(http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/kurlandphoto/01_rollei_hy6_a.jpg)
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Really? I was under the impression the Rolleiflex was "blacker"
Beautiful cameras anyway. They are my obi-wans.
Eduardo
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That Rolleiflex is the strength of the Leaf, that and the fact that under the right conditions and processed in pscs, the leaf file looks really film like.
With my A-22 I never shot it under 200 iso, (well maybe just once) and I loved the look.
In my humble opinion the only problem with leaf (and this holds true for many of the medium format makers) is they need to show some props to past customers.
The new AFI 10 will have an lcd that works when tethering. Good, it's about time, becuase when you need to see it both on the computer and the camera, you really need it.
The downside is Leaf has known they need this feature forever and the only way to get it is an expensive upgrade to a new back.
Leaf would do themselves a world of good in the PR department if they made that retroactive to past customers for a low cost upgrade. I don't believe it would hurt future sales and if anything go a long way to showing some good will to past customers, many that have been loyal through the very trying LC10 trial period.
Actually, a lot of us that buy into the expensive digital world seem somewhat caught out, by well intentioned but somewhat failed promises. Promised "workable" wi-fi, (leaf and phase), high clean iso at 800 to 1600 iso (all of the back makers) and many missed software deadlines.
(Let's don't even mention the big, bight and detailed lcds)
Let's be realistic. These cameras are damn expensive and though many of us can afford them and afford to upgrade, we also can use that money to move our business forward in other areas, especially in today's financial climate.
So to me, the company that gets my next purchase is the one that shows some extreme good will and goes the extra step.
This is probably going to fall on deaf ears as during photokina everyone is talking about new stuff without a lot of mention of old stuff, but the makers should remember it's the buyers of the old stuff that kept the companies in a position to offer the new.
Nobody is asking for anything free, or a perpeptual low cost upgrade but I think all the manufacturers shoudl print out their sales pdfs, e-mail blasts, road maps of the last three years and yellow pencil the promises that only came 1/2 true or in some instances not at all.
Go back, get those right for the customers that invested in the products and I'd bet you would have a customer for life.
JR
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Two tone colors are better. Why always be black?
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Bright orange, fluo green for factory-donated cameras please. So that when we see James with his future Leaf we know that *he* is a photographer
Edmund
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I was yesterday at the Photokina ...
of F & H was standing with a tape off, but nobody was in front
by the news was nothing to see (a pity)
I believe in a rear showcase was the cable release but without description
and gone over to see for details
only wonder why F & H have a stand there ...
Adina
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The more AF lenses the better for the adoption of the Hy6/AFI platform.
According to Thierry at another forum, the AF 120mm is NOT a macro
whereas the manual-focus 120mm is. Is this correct?
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..........Still, why can't they make the whole thing black?
JR
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Few years back I was in Paris w/my H1 - needed a small repair - went to a studio & they had a Hasselblad H series in Japanese/Fuji version which was completely black. No chrome, I thought it looked cool, I was going to swap mine w/fujiBlad till I found out that being Fuji version, the warranty won't be honoured in States, but EU is fine.
May be you can get one in Europe, though I realize you don't like Hassey...so just FYI.
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I was yesterday at the Photokina ...
of F & H was standing with a tape off, but nobody was in front
by the news was nothing to see (a pity)
I believe in a rear showcase was the cable release but without description
and gone over to see for details
only wonder why F & H have a stand there ...
Adina
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I really wonder why these trades shows exist because it doesn't seem like anything annouced can be bought within a definate date.
Maybe it's like some insurance convention it's just an excuse to play soccer and party late into the night.
I'm sure we will see a few Viking hat videos soon.
I've only been to Photo East in NY once for about 15 minutes, Photo West in LA once (for about 5 minutes) and both times I realized it really wasn't a place for photographers to meet, but was geared more towards photographic sales people.
Kind of the ultimate Shriner convention, minus the little motorcycles and cone head hats.
Still, I look at all of these annoucements and it's pretty much the same stuff in different wrappers, with not one even semi pretty photograph shot with any of these new cameras.
The Leica doesn't surprise me, or wow me, in fact I kind of wonder what it or any of this will do that I can't do already.
I guess the word evolution is correct, though all of these evolutions costs serious money.
The Phase finally has a right angle grip and some new lenses and I kind of think that's interesting until I realize my Contax has all of that, is paid for and is 1/3 the price of the phamamiya.
The only difference is I can buy a right angle grip for the Contax today and I wonder how long before one hits the shelves in medium format land.
For the photographer probably the best part of Photokina is all of these "upgrades" will drive the currrent prices down, so in a month or so it probably is a good time to pick up an A-22 or a P-45.
Look at the Hasselblad announcement. Obviously there was some extra margins in those prices if they can cut them 40%.
JR
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here, in German, but with pics:
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Als-Portr...4120-mm-HFT-PQS (http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/Als-Portraet-oder-Makroobjektiv-Apogon-AF-4120-mm-HFT-PQS)
Best regards,
Thierry
The more AF lenses the better for the adoption of the Hy6/AFI platform.
According to Thierry at another forum, the AF 120mm is NOT a macro
whereas the manual-focus 120mm is. Is this correct?
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I really wonder why these trades shows exist because it doesn't seem like anything annouced can be bought within a definate date.
Maybe it's like some insurance convention it's just an excuse to play soccer and party late into the night.
I'm sure we will see a few Viking hat videos soon.
I've only been to Photo East in NY once for about 15 minutes, Photo West in LA once (for about 5 minutes) and both times I realized it really wasn't a place for photographers to meet, but was geared more towards photographic sales people.
Kind of the ultimate Shriner convention, minus the little motorcycles and cone head hats.
Still, I look at all of these annoucements and it's pretty much the same stuff in different wrappers, with not one even semi pretty photograph shot with any of these new cameras.
The Leica doesn't surprise me, or wow me, in fact I kind of wonder what it or any of this will do that I can't do already.
I guess the word evolution is correct, though all of these evolutions costs serious money.
The Phase finally has a right angle grip and some new lenses and I kind of think that's interesting until I realize my Contax has all of that, is paid for and is 1/3 the price of the phamamiya.
The only difference is I can buy a right angle grip for the Contax today and I wonder how long before one hits the shelves in medium format land.
For the photographer probably the best part of Photokina is all of these "upgrades" will drive the currrent prices down, so in a month or so it probably is a good time to pick up an A-22 or a P-45.
Look at the Hasselblad announcement. Obviously there was some extra margins in those prices if they can cut them 40%.
JR
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I think your right about picking up some of the older stuff. I mean there are so many great backs around that are a couple of generations old, all the kinks are worked out, there cheap and available now. Thats the great advancement from the last 2 years.
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EXACTLY.
Look at the Hasselblad announcement. Obviously there was some extra margins in those prices if they can cut them 40%.
JR
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I think your right about picking up some of the older stuff. I mean there are so many great backs around that are a couple of generations old, all the kinks are worked out, there cheap and available now. Thats the great advancement from the last 2 years.
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That's what I've learned about this Photokina thing -- what you do is, ignore the current Photokina, and google the website for the prior Photokina, two years ago, and then study up on what was announced there. Because, chances are, the stuff that was announced two years ago is just now shipping in normal volumes, and they've fixed all the initial bugs.
Stay two years behind the curve, and your satisfaction will be much larger, (and your initial investment will be much smaller). Both are good things.
I agree -- that P45 (not the plus), is going to get affordable pretty soon. Same will go for other items that were announced at that time.
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Kind of the ultimate Shriner convention, minus the little motorcycles and cone head hats.
JR
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While you were writing this, Ann just bought Rosie a Fez and a tiny motorcycle...
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While you were writing this,............
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I think what's interesting about all of this is Hasselblad dropped the biggest bomb at Photokina with just an e-mail.
Is Hasselblad actually there, because I've seen nothing from them, but it kind of goes to show you that you can have an impact with just a pdf, a laptop and a willingness to cut the prices.
JR
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I think what's interesting about all of this is Hasselblad dropped the biggest bomb at Photokina with just an e-mail.
JR
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I think it's great.
I've been saying forever that the problem with MFDB pricing is the upgrade path that forces each new model to be more expensive than the last. If Canon did the same thing, the IDs3 would probably cost sixteen grand.
$33K for a H3II60 including body is a lot more realistic than over $40K for a 65+
I can't wait until tomorrow when Yair is going to announce that Leaf is dropping their prices 60% and throwing in Broadway show tickets...ooops sorry I wasn't supposed to say anything...everybody act surprised when Yair "breaks" the news, ok?
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I think what's interesting about all of this is Hasselblad dropped the biggest bomb at Photokina with just an e-mail.
Is Hasselblad actually there, because I've seen nothing from them, but it kind of goes to show you that you can have an impact with just a pdf, a laptop and a willingness to cut the prices.
JR
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Hasselblad is there at Photokina, alright, but they are saving their big announcement about a new electronic cable release for Friday.
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I asked in another thread with no response so i thought I would give this thread a chance to ask.
Anyone use the focusing bracketing successfully with the Afi camera? I just did a shot with a Leaf Aptus 75 and H2 and changed the focus manually. Now I am trying to piece it together in Photoshop. As you know when you change focus you also change the crop. Does the software correct the adjustments in post automatically? Does it work with people in the shots?
John
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And on a side note: the Leica S2 was not on display in the public area. Behind a heavily guarded corridor in their catering wall I could see older people in suits and dresses gather around displays with invisible content, while hostesses handed out exquisite consumables.
Whoa! That's exactly how I roll....
Visible content is vastly over-rated.
I'll take the hostesses with exquisite consumables.
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I could see older people in suits and dresses gather around displays with invisible content, while hostesses handed out exquisite consumables.)
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LOL! Very well worded, EPd!
And thank you for the F&H update.
Eric
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Addendum regarding the mirror lockup of the cable release: Thierry has specified that it does not have a classical mirror lockup, but with some settings on the camera something which comes close can be activated: http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=224524 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27105&view=findpost&p=224524)
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It's not a big deal. I assume there's a MLU on the camera somewhere which can be activated first, then the remote control can be used to make the capture. You still get the mechanical isolation from the body that way when you press the shutter release, which is why I use it.
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I did a shoot last week in Old Street, London where I had to photograph people in a room - they had to move about to make interesting abstract blurs (art-director's idea). The mirror was up all the time (as I'd worked out the appropriate exposure) while the camera took various photographs from the same location.
It worked fine.
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Is there going to be a long cable. The DRM can use something like a 100 foot cable which is required for some situations.
Best,
Mitchell
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Yes Graham, that's right and exactly as you describe it.
Thierry
It's not a big deal. I assume there's a MLU on the camera somewhere which can be activated first, then the remote control can be used to make the capture. You still get the mechanical isolation from the body that way when you press the shutter release, which is why I use it.
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Now, the two-color scheme: anyone who has seen this camera in real life knows that it is NOT blue, but very distinctly dark cool grey with black.
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To my eye, in real life, the lighter grey does have a distinctly bluish tinge. But folks can decide for themselves how blue or not blue it is.
(http://gibsonphotographic.com/share/web/Hy6%20Shots/20080622.01_0011-Hy6%20Shots.jpg)
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we live in complicated times and some folks are making more so..
All this partnering going on. I am finding it more and more difficult to ascertain what is really available in the market, who makes what and who sells what.
It is a game of musical chairs with distributors and manufacturers and suppliers all switching places.. or more like a shell game with us customers / suckers trying to run our businesses and maintain creativity ( not easy in itself) and at the same time keeping an eye out on the technology part of the business to stay current.
I hate to say the good ole days.. BUT.. it was simpler before.. like black coffee instead of a double viente cap,half caf. half decaf, soy milk, with a dash of pomegranite....okay, that is the craziness of the customer, but what if the relpy was, "well we no longer carry soy products form our dairy distributor because they are also sellling to the coffee shop down the street, but they are owned by nestle and we have an alliance agreement to share blah,blah,blah.. so have some chocolate instead, but soy will be shipping next year".. I hope you get my point.
give me a break guys will you please figure out what you are going to sell, how much it is and sit in one f.ing chair.
Example - Sinarbron, you want to carry the F&H products? fine, be the distributor and carry the whole line..take it or leave it. It might have been great for some genius mba to figure out a cool stategic alliance with x, y & Z but it is making your customers heads spin.. and we might just stay at home and work with what we have. Now I do not direct any of this to anyone or company in particular, and I am sure all envolved are lovely people to sit and have a meal with but come on!
I think a possible solution in the long run would be a sales laison for professionals with each manufacture, providing directs sales to us. We are already put in the position to do all the legwork anyway and figure out who sells what and what it works with..the middle guys are all playing catchup with us. You want us on the cutting edge and fork out for the new products to drive the industry further along? then bring us in a few steps closer.. try partnering with the photographers who use the products or are we not businesses too, just marks, cause in the current shell game I am seeing, I feel like one.
I think we are all lucky here to have some direct contact with the manufactures..and they do what they can but have their hands tied by the mba / lawyer dudes,.. unless someone is selling stuff out of his hotel room and I don't know about it.
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we live in complicated times and some folks are making more so..
All this partnering going on. I am finding it more and more difficult to ascertain what is really available in the market, who makes what and who sells what.
It is a game of musical chairs with distributors and manufacturers and suppliers all switching places.. or more like a shell game with us customers / suckers trying to run our businesses and maintain creativity ( not easy in itself) and at the same time keeping an eye out on the technology part of the business to stay current.
I hate to say the good ole days.. BUT.. it was simpler before.. like black coffee instead of a double viente cap,half caf. half decaf, soy milk, with a dash of pomegranite....okay, that is the craziness of the customer, but what if the relpy was, "well we no longer carry soy products form our dairy distributor because they are also sellling to the coffee shop down the street, but they are owned by nestle and we have an alliance agreement to share blah,blah,blah.. so have some chocolate instead, but soy will be shipping next year".. I hope you get my point.
give me a break guys will you please figure out what you are going to sell, how much it is and sit in one f.ing chair.
Example - Sinarbron, you want to carry the F&H products? fine, be the distributor and carry the whole line..take it or leave it. It might have been great for some genius mba to figure out a cool stategic alliance with x, y & Z but it is making your customers heads spin.. and we might just stay at home and work with what we have. Now I do not direct any of this to anyone or company in particular, and I am sure all envolved are lovely people to sit and have a meal with but come on!
I think a possible solution in the long run would be a sales laison for professionals with each manufacture, providing directs sales to us. We are already put in the position to do all the legwork anyway and figure out who sells what and what it works with..the middle guys are all playing catchup with us. You want us on the cutting edge and fork out for the new products to drive the industry further along? then bring us in a few steps closer.. try partnering with the photographers who use the products or are we not businesses too, just marks, cause in the current shell game I am seeing, I feel like one.
I think we are all lucky here to have some direct contact with the manufactures..and they do what they can but have their hands tied by the mba / lawyer dudes,.. unless someone is selling stuff out of his hotel room and I don't know about it.
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Agreed. Imagine a Rollei user, looking to update the system. Maybe a Sinar 54 LV (on the 6008 back), or a Hy6. But with all this shifting, a "costing" analysis probably won't hold up for 3 months. How does one make a reasoned decision? None too quick, to be sure.
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No such plans yet, Mitchell.
Best regards,
Thierry
Is there going to be a long cable. The DRM can use something like a 100 foot cable which is required for some situations.
Best,
Mitchell
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To my eye, in real life, the lighter grey does have a distinctly bluish tinge. But folks can decide for themselves how blue or not blue it is.
(http://gibsonphotographic.com/share/web/Hy6%20Shots/20080622.01_0011-Hy6%20Shots.jpg)
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I have always percieved this as blue. Maybe I need to get my eyes examined ?
BTW, nice color checker shot,
Edmund
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Thanks Thierry.
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To my eye, in real life, the lighter grey does have a distinctly bluish tinge. But folks can decide for themselves how blue or not blue it is.
(http://gibsonphotographic.com/share/web/Hy6%20Shots/20080622.01_0011-Hy6%20Shots.jpg)
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To my eyes it's more megenta than blue...
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To my eyes it's more megenta than blue...
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michele, they are talking about the lighter gray on the hy6 not the macbeth chart.
to my eye.. it has always been an unfortunate cool grey... maybe designer is the lost step
child of the broncolor designer, ... what is it with designers? they sometimes just can't help themselves..you know some guy or gal spent days tweeking this gray..they do a great job on the camera and then just can't stop themselves..some panel of photographers needs to be asked at the final stages and they all would have said in unison..are you crazy? make the whole damn thing black!!
I haven't looked at this yet on my calibrated mon. but the shot looks red/magenta to me too..
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to my eye.. it has always been an unfortunate cool grey... [{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=225492\")
Assuming that the official product shot is matching the colors -> [a href=\"http://www.sinar.ch/site/preview_popup__gast-d-2015-50-2154-urlvars-prev_id-130.html]http://www.sinar.ch/site/preview_popup__ga...rev_id-130.html[/url] ...
it's blueish [attachment=8593:attachment]
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My Hy6 has a blue/grey colour - it looks fine.
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My Hy6 has a blue/grey colour - it looks fine.
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.. and I would also say that my broncolor packs look "fine"..but I would suggest
to change the color scheme if asked.. yeah I know, nobody will ask.
and btw is that shot of the rotating back really from sinar?? hmmm.. as the english say.
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and btw is that shot of the rotating back really from sinar?? hmmm.. as the english say.
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yes it is...
BTW the red stone does give the image an apparent reddish cast. I checked the image and red was two points higher than blue; I've corrected it but it still has the apparent cast.
-Brad
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To my eyes it's more megenta than blue...
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What's "megenta"? to me its a designer bluish grey with a tad green in it.
Instantly dated. Just like glaring red release latches on the film backs (just so you know they are there at all times! Don't know how you would find them if they were not red!)
Just wondering- for the finder: will mauve be next?
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And it goes nicely with the rest of the line:
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Kidding! sheesh! (ducks)
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