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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: AndreNapier on September 18, 2008, 01:49:46 am
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Stupidity is costly as we all know. I thought I share my recent experience here to save some big headache to any fellow member who will want to trust Lacie.
We just came back from a five day calendar shoot in Costa Rica. Shooting went very smooth, we had a great weather, flew in amazing models and wrapped up everything to our greatest satisfaction.
It was a decent size production with lots of rented lighting equipment so all with a substantial price tag.
We saved all images to Lacie 1TB and becked everything to identical memory unit.
Due to weight restrictions on hand baggage I opted to keep camera, lenses and two laptops with us and putting memories to two separate travel cases.
One of my bags got lost/stolen/vanished and never got recovered. The second one looked like it fell from from airplane and crashed on concrete. Upon inspection we realize that one of the hard drive disks moved out of its place rendering it unreadable. Right away I called Lacie and personally made arrangement to have it repaired. I explained the importance and value of the content and got verbal reasurrence that they will not due anything to harm the files. I Fedex it overnight to personal attention of my Lacie contact whom I spoke earlier on the phone. We put red tape sticky note " do not reformat " on the box and the Lacie case. Package arrived to Lacie at 9:30 am and after tracking the package on Fedex website and confirming delivery I call them around 11am. That 1.5 hour was enough time for this Fuc...rs to reformat the memory and mount back the disk.
The rest is just a history, nobody is liable responsible or even willing to say I am sorry. The form I sign says they do not guarantee the content just the hardware. This a common practice of reformatting at Lacie before even diagnosing the problem. After facts I was told that they are not in business of recovering files and then hanged up on.
No words to describe how I feel.
Andre
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Its sickening to think about but most companies just have a "screw you" attitude anymore.
I had a bad experience with lacie on a 19" display a couple years back, the quality was awful and the vertical orientation did not work properly. They refunded my money, but overall it was like they didnt care and were not very helpful about the situation. After that I wrote them off and have not purchased another item from them.
Leaf has been the worst as far as customer service, Ive called them a couple of times to get pricing on an adapter and I was pretty much treated like crap...not to mention their "service staff" is incredibly uneducated on the product line. I was even grunted at by someone and instantly transfered to voicemail on one occasion.
Apple is going this way too, Ive been an apple user since highschool and over the past year or so the customer service has been outsourced a ridiculous amount and they do not know their product.
Sometimes I wonder if its even worth picking up the phone to call about problems anymore, but there are at least some great dealers out there that make things less painful.
If I were you Id get lacie back on the phone, if nothing else just to chew them out. It won't solve much but it will make you feel better.
What did the client say about the loss?
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Hi Andre,
try this guys http://www.krollontrack.com/ (http://www.krollontrack.com/)
(there also other ...)
i think sey can help you, formate disk is not erase disk !
Hope the best for you ..
Greetings
Adina
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Indeed, a format does not necessarily mean deletion of files.
when you get it back: DO NOT USE IT, DON'T WRITE ON IT!
Unless Lacie did a low level format (rare nowadays), new partitioning or write tests on the drive it is very well possible a data recovery company can get a lot of files back.
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Stupidity is costly as we all know. I thought I share my recent experience here to save some big headache to any fellow member who will want to trust Lacie.
We just came back from a five day calendar shoot in Costa Rica. Shooting went very smooth, we had a great weather, flew in amazing models and wrapped up everything to our greatest satisfaction.
It was a decent size production with lots of rented lighting equipment so all with a substantial price tag.
We saved all images to Lacie 1TB and becked everything to identical memory unit.
Due to weight restrictions on hand baggage I opted to keep camera, lenses and two laptops with us and putting memories to two separate travel cases.
One of my bags got lost/stolen/vanished and never got recovered. The second one looked like it fell from from airplane and crashed on concrete. Upon inspection we realize that one of the hard drive disks moved out of its place rendering it unreadable. Right away I called Lacie and personally made arrangement to have it repaired. I explained the importance and value of the content and got verbal reasurrence that they will not due anything to harm the files. I Fedex it overnight to personal attention of my Lacie contact whom I spoke earlier on the phone. We put red tape sticky note " do not reformat " on the box and the Lacie case. Package arrived to Lacie at 9:30 am and after tracking the package on Fedex website and confirming delivery I call them around 11am. That 1.5 hour was enough time for this Fuc...rs to reformat the memory and mount back the disk.
The rest is just a history, nobody is liable responsible or even willing to say I am sorry. The form I sign says they do not guarantee the content just the hardware. This a common practice of reformatting at Lacie before even diagnosing the problem. After facts I was told that they are not in business of recovering files and then hanged up on.
No words to describe how I feel.
Andre
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I avoid LaCie like the plague. They don't seem to make anything, only relabel them. I've had so many hard drives fail that I've lost count.
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Backups.. the scourge of any form of data-retention =)
A good rule is to as a bare minimum have one master, one backup, one backup to the backup and one off-site backup. This means that the master may fail, and the backup may fail and you will still have one updated backup and one slightly less updated. And if you are travelling or moving, you separate every backup.
And here's the point.. this applies EVERYWHERE. that means if you are on location, you need the same setup including the off-site backup.
Lets take a worst case scenario.. your studio (or the studio/warehouse you are renting right now for the location shoot to store all the equipment) burns to the ground. Thats what the off-site backup is for.
Then lets take a travel scenario. Bag with master in gets stolen, bag with backup in is crashed. Ok. you still have two more. One should probably be in your carry-on luggage. The off-site one you MAIL to yourself. Then you are covering all possible bases. If you loose all four datasources, someones out to get you =)
Sound like a lot of work? Well, reconstructing hard-drive data from a burned/crashed harddrive can cost as much as $1000 per megabyte depending on how much actually can be retrieved. I would say keeping a minimum of 4 datasources (harddrives or some other backup that works) is a lot cheaper and easier.
All this takes is routine. Get your backup-routines sorted out and foremost, make them easy to handle for you. Skipping the backup because you need to rush out the door and just cant be arsed is a good way to loose that days work. Mr. Murphy is not a friend =)
In the end, it can be the difference between delivering that awesome super-shot to your client, or going out of business because you lost all your work.
Oh and some final words on the media. Your average hard-drive (top quality) has a life length of between 3-5 years. This means two things; 1) it MAY fail before that. 2) cycle your harddrives every 3.rd year, OR if one fails, cycle all of them. Especially if you buy your harddrives at the same place then chances are you got a bad batch. This is the same rule btw that you do with every life-protecting securityequipment, when the first unit fails - change all of them.
DVD's & CD's have a life-span of roughly the same thing provided they are handled with extreme care and stored in a dry/sun-less environment. In the jewel-case on a bookshelf in the nice studio is not a good place to store it. Though DVD's are rarely used now simply because of the ammount of data you need to back-up often exceeds the DVD capacity. But still good to know that they are not meant for permanent storage ever, even archive-quality.
Look at your backups not as a permanent solution, ie you shoot, you deliver, you backup, you forget about it. But rather as an ongoing cycling of your information. Keep it active between your backup-systems and for long term storage, online backupservices may be a good idea. But remember to back those up aswell as THEY may not have the same routines you do.
Sorry for the long post here but i have worked with information security and integrity (which includes backuproutines) for the past 20 years so i felt chatty today
Have fun all and keep your backups safe =)
/Henrik
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Lacie have notoriously bad quality and horrible customer service unfortunately.
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André,
I share your feelings ...
It is too sad to experience this
But it is also the backside of digital photography
I suggest to KEEP your digital files ON your body as handlugage
I do not know if it was possible to connect to a fileserver through internet and post your files from the shooting location to your office.
But it is something you have to consider in the future.
I often take FILM shots as back-up, just in case...
patrick frans de smet
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Stupidity is costly as we all know. I thought I share my recent experience here to save some big headache to any fellow member who will want to trust Lacie.
We just came back from a five day calendar shoot in Costa Rica. Shooting went very smooth, we had a great weather, flew in amazing models and wrapped up everything to our greatest satisfaction.
It was a decent size production with lots of rented lighting equipment so all with a substantial price tag.
We saved all images to Lacie 1TB and becked everything to identical memory unit.
Due to weight restrictions on hand baggage I opted to keep camera, lenses and two laptops with us and putting memories to two separate travel cases.
One of my bags got lost/stolen/vanished and never got recovered. The second one looked like it fell from from airplane and crashed on concrete. Upon inspection we realize that one of the hard drive disks moved out of its place rendering it unreadable. Right away I called Lacie and personally made arrangement to have it repaired. I explained the importance and value of the content and got verbal reasurrence that they will not due anything to harm the files. I Fedex it overnight to personal attention of my Lacie contact whom I spoke earlier on the phone. We put red tape sticky note " do not reformat " on the box and the Lacie case. Package arrived to Lacie at 9:30 am and after tracking the package on Fedex website and confirming delivery I call them around 11am. That 1.5 hour was enough time for this Fuc...rs to reformat the memory and mount back the disk.
The rest is just a history, nobody is liable responsible or even willing to say I am sorry. The form I sign says they do not guarantee the content just the hardware. This a common practice of reformatting at Lacie before even diagnosing the problem. After facts I was told that they are not in business of recovering files and then hanged up on.
No words to describe how I feel.
Andre
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Write a detailed account of your experience, and email it to customer service. Also, a few days later, start posting it to as many customer review sites as possible, including Amazon, etc...
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Write a detailed account of your experience, and email it to customer service. Also, a few days later, start posting it to as many customer review sites as possible, including Amazon, etc...
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I have a maxtor 160GB mini hard drive that never leaves my pocket with all my files on when I'm on location. (and another hard drive that I take on as carry on).
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I have been using four Lacie 250 external firewire drives for 5+ years and none of them have failed (they will at some point). I recently dropped one on concrete and 'fortunately' it is still going.
There are always two sides to the coin. Whilst they do re-badge products, and I am no big fan of Lacie, as I have moved on to Wiebetech products, I feel that it is important to give another users opinion of their products.
I agree that their customer service is poor and Andre's experience is dreadful.
www.golfpicturebank.com
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I hate to say this... But what were you thinking putting all the eggs under the plane???
Atleast one should have been carry on. Specially seeing how the whole production was probably worth more than your laptop or cameras lens etc...
I feel for you, but I would NEVER send a Hard drive with images on it something other then under my arm at all times!
But then again that is my paranoia...
Did you get the images of the HD.. Did you lose everything?
Also Lacie Terra Drives are known for the worst of the line up.
I have Lacie drives for more than 10 years and only have had 1 Hic-Up
Again sorry and hope you figure something out...
Closest that I came to something similar was in the film days and just got done doing a 2 week job in miami.. Sitting in MIA someone Stole my cart with everything on it..
Camera Bags, Film... etc... Luckily some security guard saw everything and stopped a women heading out of the airport with all my stuff.
Snook
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one problem with going in/out of the USA
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel...h_authority.pdf (http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/admissability/search_authority.ctt/search_authority.pdf)
Officers may detain documents and electronic
devices, or copies thereof, for a reasonable period of time to perform a thorough
border search. The search may take place on-site or at an off-site location.
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one problem with going in/out of the USA
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel...h_authority.pdf (http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/admissability/search_authority.ctt/search_authority.pdf)
Officers may detain documents and electronic
devices, or copies thereof, for a reasonable period of time to perform a thorough
border search. The search may take place on-site or at an off-site location.
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Never heard of that.. I go in and out all the time with laptop and hard drives with me..
But you make a good point of what a pain in the ass it is to go in and out of the US.
Paranoia is also a terrorist act and it is and has been working in the us for a long time now.
Besides that.. who cares .. let them look at the pictures and be on with it.. I doubt they are going to make you lose your flight over it.. unless you have some resemblance to Osama...
Snook
Still there is NO excuse for putting everything with check in... That is Rookie move for sure and I do not think any Brand HD is going to take a beting in luggage any better than the other.
And if your bag get's Stolen, which quite common now a days.
How could that be Lacie's fault...?
The poster even said the Luggage looked all bang up, but then blames lacie for not helping.
I really o feel for the poster, but do not get where it is anybodies fault but his for sending it under??
I get in fights all the time about my carry on and I tell them what the stuff cost and there is not way it is going under neath the plane.
Been doing that for 20 years..
Snook
PS. edited meant to say Monks... But took out a phrase for the Political correct crew here..
Is it OK to say Religious fanatic freaks!!
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Never heard of that.. I go in and out all the time with laptop and hard drives with me..
But you make a good point of what a pain in the ass it is to go in and out of the US.
Paranoia is also a terrorist act and it is and has been working in the us for a long time now.
Besides that.. who cares .. let them look at the pictures and be on with it.. I doubt they are going to make you lose your flight over it.. unless you have some resemblance to Osama or one of his sand monkey's!
Snook
Still there is NO excuse for putting everything with check in... That is Rookie move for sure and I do not think any Brand HD is going to take a beting in luggage any better than the other.
And if your bag get's Stolen, which quite common now a days.
How could that be Lacie's fault...?
The poster even said the Luggage looked all bang up, but then blames lacie for not helping.
I really o feel for the poster, but do not get where it is anybodies fault but his for sending it under??
I get in fights all the time about my carry on and I tell them what the stuff cost and there is not way it is going under neath the plane.
Been doing that for 20 years..
Snook
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Hate to say it but I agree, when your the photographer the buck stops with you. You put the value of your camera and laptop above the value of your clients shoot and you paid the price.
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Don't panic yet and don't send to an expensive company.
Download/buy lost and found.
My wife runs a pc/mac store and she recovered dozens of hdds for customers even after a format and reinstall. Best is to do nothing because than most is recovered but even when someone has used the drive you can recover data.
And invest in a second drive for mirror backups.
We use three arrays.
One always online
One once every two days to backup
One in a safe on other locations
Seeing the prices off hdds you can't afford not to.
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Don't panic yet and don't send to an expensive company.
Download/buy lost and found.
My wife runs a pc/mac store and she recovered dozens of hdds for customers even after a format and reinstall. Best is to do nothing because than most is recovered but even when someone has used the drive you can recover data.
And invest in a second drive for mirror backups.
We use three arrays.
One always online
One once every two days to backup
One in a safe on other locations
Seeing the prices off hdds you can't afford not to.
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He Did use a second drive which was stolen..
And as far as salvaging a whole trip of pictures from a HD... I do not see that happening.
You can sometimes recover a couple of pictures from a CF card or Drive but a Whole photoshoot with Gigs of Pictures.. Ain't happening if someone has erase or written over the stuff.
I heard those kind of stories of people saving there pictures from erase drives...
Again.. I think just stories...:+}
I was able to save some images from a damaged drive but nothing special.
But it is worth a try for sure...
Good Luck..
Snook
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mr napier
i cant imagine how you feel. all that work, all that effort. your gut must be acheing.
i use tiny bus powered GTech drives when i travel. I have six of them. 160 or 200 gigs each. i take velcro and stick them together so they don't separate. two mounted together. they take up VERY little space in the camera bag. assistant puts two in his carry on; i put two in my carry on; we check two. i also try to never reformat cf cards during a job; i have a million of them. but it is hard for a five day job, i agree. so i've got the cards as an extreme backup too.
can you not salvage last day of job from the laptop hd and the cf cards?
trust me, i know it feels awful today, but you will NEVER do it again. so feel good that this is the last time it will ever happen to you.
and everyone else, read this story twice, imagine how he feels, then head to apple store and buy three sets of drives, so you learn from his mistake.
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Wait wait wait...
You put the two existing copies of your data in checked baggage, which is insane. Then the airline lost one copy and broke the other, which is really not hard to predict. Airlines lose luggage all the time, and what they don't lose they break, and that is why I say it's insane to check hard drives.
Then you signed a form that says you understand that Lacie is responsible for the mechanism and not the data, and then you are surprised that you didn't get your data back? I'm sorry for your loss, but you are primarily the victim of your own actions, not Lacie's. Hopefully both you and other people can learn from the mistake.
Once the job is shot it's the hard drives that are the most valuable thing, not the cameras or lenses. If it comes to a choice of having to check something, the cameras, lenses, and laptops should all get checked before the hard drives.
Stupidity is costly as we all know. I thought I share my recent experience here to save some big headache to any fellow member who will want to trust Lacie.
We just came back from a five day calendar shoot in Costa Rica. Shooting went very smooth, we had a great weather, flew in amazing models and wrapped up everything to our greatest satisfaction.
It was a decent size production with lots of rented lighting equipment so all with a substantial price tag.
We saved all images to Lacie 1TB and becked everything to identical memory unit.
Due to weight restrictions on hand baggage I opted to keep camera, lenses and two laptops with us and putting memories to two separate travel cases.
One of my bags got lost/stolen/vanished and never got recovered. The second one looked like it fell from from airplane and crashed on concrete. Upon inspection we realize that one of the hard drive disks moved out of its place rendering it unreadable. Right away I called Lacie and personally made arrangement to have it repaired. I explained the importance and value of the content and got verbal reasurrence that they will not due anything to harm the files. I Fedex it overnight to personal attention of my Lacie contact whom I spoke earlier on the phone. We put red tape sticky note " do not reformat " on the box and the Lacie case. Package arrived to Lacie at 9:30 am and after tracking the package on Fedex website and confirming delivery I call them around 11am. That 1.5 hour was enough time for this Fuc...rs to reformat the memory and mount back the disk.
The rest is just a history, nobody is liable responsible or even willing to say I am sorry. The form I sign says they do not guarantee the content just the hardware. This a common practice of reformatting at Lacie before even diagnosing the problem. After facts I was told that they are not in business of recovering files and then hanged up on.
No words to describe how I feel.
Andre
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mr napier
i cant imagine how you feel. all that work, all that effort. your gut must be acheing.
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Yea I feel for you man and of course everyone is going to have advice, cause hindsight is 20 20.
I would think that a data recovery company, (probabably drive savers and probably about 2 grand) could recover most of the data.
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That said, I've got a billion lacie drives and have had very few problems, though I really hate saying that because the moment I do some drive will go up in a puff of smoke.
I now have this 4 backup rule. It's a drag and overly obsessive, but I do one copy I carry, 1 the first carries, 1 that is carried by someone somewhere else (not the same plane) and one that we fedex to the retoucher from every city (dhl if out of country).
I buy these things like water, http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11085 (http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11085) and have 10 on order right now. It's crazy expensive, it's crazy insane to backup the way I do, but my 4 backup process saved me 6 months ago so I figure it's worth it.
JR
P.S. I know it's a pain, you come off a shoot exhausted, your dragging all of this stuff and then you fly for 11 hours than the connecting flight is some crappy overcrowded 737 where all the overheads are full of baby strollers and overnight rollerboards. I've had them make us put the cameras underneath, but not before I pull out those orange lacie drives, gaff tape them together and put them in my lap.
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Wait wait wait...
Once the job is shot it's the hard drives that are the most valuable thing, not the cameras or lenses. If it comes to a choice of having to check something, the cameras, lenses, and laptops should all get checked before the hard drives.
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Two great things about the Canon is they shoot jpegs and you can buy them anwhere. I don't usually check cameras, though from time to time have to and with the Canons I don't worry because if the s*&t hits the fan I can just buy new ones.
The jpeg thing is the ultimate backup. Nobody wants to work from jpegs as original files, but if we have internet conection I take the Canon jpegs and put them up on the server everynight.
I only used them once for a quick client reuqest but they worked and it's better than not having anything.
In fact yesterday a retouching house in NY showed me a ad that they had worked that was shot with a small 4mpx P+S when the crew was was setting up the main shot. This was a huge ad that had about 3 million in media use on it and the results were beautiful.
Now I'm not suggesting shooting with a fuji P+S but in post (if you have the image) almost anything can be fixed and if a fuji P+S image can be run internationally, a jpeg from a 21mpx canon can be used also.
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No finger wagging from me.
I feel for you.
Paul
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I agree with that statement, but still love my 14mp!
I'm going to start backing things up over the net at night when I'm off at a festival. I almost had all my gear stolen in a hotel room. In baltimore, the hotel didn't have anymore "do not disturb" signs. The front desk said I was ok. I come back and all my stuff was gone from the room except what I hid really well. thankfully, I hid 2 laptops, $10K+ in spare gear and my clean cloths. all the cleaning ladies got were dirty cloths, food, an 8GB memory card, an expensive water bottle, a generic kodak slr/n battery, and some other things. I'm still waiting for them to pay me back which I doubt they will, but the cost of the things taken was more than my 2 night stay. If they had taken my hidden items, I would have called the cops first.
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BTW, the cost to recover is based on GB. my gf had a baring go on a drive. 80GB cost $800 to recover cause of the use of a cold room. your drive would probably cost less.
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@Snook,
They are not just stories.
As mentioned in my post they do this all the time.
On avarage 1-2 customers come in per week with dataloss, some have installed windows over the HDD and still they can get SOME data back.
The mainissue is that the sectors are not all overwritten.
If a sector is overwritten you can forget about it.
In the past we used datarecovery companies but with lost and found it's in 99% of the cases a very easy process to do it yourself, it only takes ALONG time.
When a HDD is really busted they will sometimes replace the hardware from a new HDD and in most cases they HDD will function enough to pull the data.
In the worst case scenario we will go to a datarecovery firm but at the moment that's app 1x a year, and the prices have gone down considerably.
But please try lost and found first.
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Two great things about the Canon is they shoot jpegs and you can buy them anwhere. I don't usually check cameras, though from time to time have to and with the Canons I don't worry because if the s*&t hits the fan I can just buy new ones.
The jpeg thing is the ultimate backup. Nobody wants to work from jpegs as original files, but if we have internet conection I take the Canon jpegs and put them up on the server everynight.
I only used them once for a quick client reuqest but they worked and it's better than not having anything.
In fact yesterday a retouching house in NY showed me a ad that they had worked that was shot with a small 4mpx P+S when the crew was was setting up the main shot. This was a huge ad that had about 3 million in media use on it and the results were beautiful.
Now I'm not suggesting shooting with a fuji P+S but in post (if you have the image) almost anything can be fixed and if a fuji P+S image can be run internationally, a jpeg from a 21mpx canon can be used also.
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Uh.....
Terry Richards....:+} Yashica baby...:+}
Snook
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On avarage 1-2 customers come in per week with dataloss, some have installed windows over the HDD and still they can get SOME data back.
But please try lost and found first.
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mr. doorhof
do you have a way to find the company lost and found to buy this software.
i cannot find it on the www.
thank you.
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Uh.....
Terry Richards....:+} Yashica baby...:+}
Snook
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People laugh about that little camera and to some extent it's a schtick that plays well for Mr. Richardson.
Then again it's really the photograph that matters and not the camera.
For the last two weeks I've been in a lot of creative meetings. The last meeting was 7 hours.
It's one of those meetings where everything is addressed, locations, travel, talent, styling, money, crew, money, style, money.
After 7 hours of covering every detail there was only comment made about cameras. The CD, pointed at a 40" print I have leaning against a wall and said I don't know what cameras you use but whatever you used for this one is perfect.
The photo he mentioned was shot with the original 1ds.
Now, he wasn't putting a loupe on the photo or comparing eyelash detail, but he also would have no objection to that image in one of his ads.
Now flip back two days and another meeting we held with retouchers. they were showing their work and a lot of before and afters, mostly from campaigns that everyone has seen, about 1/3 of them from film.
The photos were beautiful, the retouching took them to another level, but the original captures, (especially the film) were not something you would want to pixel peep at 100% of a 30" monitor.
In fact if it was a digital camera you'd probably think there was a problem.
My point is at this level obviously the client wants something that will reproduce well, but nobody is talking pixels, they're talking the look and they would much rather have the photograph than 10 or 20 more megapixels.
This forum gets fixated on camera formats, file sizes, new announcements, but at the end of the day once they money has been spent, the sets and have scratched and everyone has gone home to start selecting and to begin the post process, the most important thing is finding the shot that is on the original creative brief.
Now not to get politically correct and say every camera is good and larger cameras are better, or to begin some kind of NASCAR nation 35mm vs. 645 brand war because those conversations go nowhere.
Still, at the end of the day, it's the shot, not the logo on the camera and I've never had a client know or care what Photokina is much less be concerned what is announced there.
We may get jazzed by new equipment (and in some ways we should) but our clients just want the shot man.
JR
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unless you have some resemblance to Osama or one of his sand monkey's!
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Snook,
Is that slur truly necessary?
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Here is a cool little video from popular mechanics testing some different portable rugged drives.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...ws/4275478.html (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4275478.html)
Now they are just testing them to the hard drives specs of how far they can be dropped and still work. I found it interesting.
Aaron
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Snook,
Is that slur truly necessary?
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Yeah, this kind of racist remarks is totally inappropriate.
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sorry to hear about this.
never had a Lacie fail in over 10 yrs, rocstor on the other hand I'd avoid like the plague...
bottom line: all drives fail at some point, no matter who makes them or the enclosures. no one will warranty the data, it's standard industry practice.
I sent the drive I have issue with (namely 2 rocstor's) to a local shop and had them work on them and try all the scenarios. both times they had to play a round a bunch but got the data off for a little over $500 a piece. 9/10 times the data can be recovered before sending it out for the $10k platter swap recovery.
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People laugh about that little camera and to some extent it's a schtick that plays well for Mr. Richardson.
Then again it's really the photograph that matters and not the camera.
For the last two weeks I've been in a lot of creative meetings. The last meeting was 7 hours.
It's one of those meetings where everything is addressed, locations, travel, talent, styling, money, crew, money, style, money.
After 7 hours of covering every detail there was only comment made about cameras. The CD, pointed at a 40" print I have leaning against a wall and said I don't know what cameras you use but whatever you used for this one is perfect.
The photo he mentioned was shot with the original 1ds.
Now, he wasn't putting a loupe on the photo or comparing eyelash detail, but he also would have no objection to that image in one of his ads.
Now flip back two days and another meeting we held with retouchers. they were showing their work and a lot of before and afters, mostly from campaigns that everyone has seen, about 1/3 of them from film.
The photos were beautiful, the retouching took them to another level, but the original captures, (especially the film) were not something you would want to pixel peep at 100% of a 30" monitor.
In fact if it was a digital camera you'd probably think there was a problem.
My point is at this level obviously the client wants something that will reproduce well, but nobody is talking pixels, they're talking the look and they would much rather have the photograph than 10 or 20 more megapixels.
This forum gets fixated on camera formats, file sizes, new announcements, but at the end of the day once they money has been spent, the sets and have scratched and everyone has gone home to start selecting and to begin the post process, the most important thing is finding the shot that is on the original creative brief.
Now not to get politically correct and say every camera is good and larger cameras are better, or to begin some kind of NASCAR nation 35mm vs. 645 brand war because those conversations go nowhere.
Still, at the end of the day, it's the shot, not the logo on the camera and I've never had a client know or care what Photokina is much less be concerned what is announced there.
We may get jazzed by new equipment (and in some ways we should) but our clients just want the shot man.
JR
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Clients aside, don't you find that when you get a great shot, not being able to fully pull every inch out of it is very frustrating creatively. Imagine a Goya without real proper blacks, turner without radiant highlights. I know my photographs have certain technical necessities to make them mine pictorially speaking. It seems to be the cool thing to make out technical things aren't so important in photography. I know the worlds greatest piano players, ballet dancers etc don't take such an approach (or should I say assume such a pose) of disregard to technical requirements as photographers do. The camera does matter.
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Thanks guys,
The original message from my post was not to whine about my losses.
I do understand the importance of back ups and multiple copies. My laptop has all the selects from each day of shoot saved as large jpgs. All raws were saved in the folders on my MackBook pro before moved to external hard drive so with help of a time machine they can be recovered. I already have arrangements with Gillware Inc to recover the files from HD for $1800.
As far as putting files on line from remote location I believe that it is very unrealistic. Internet access is still luxury in lots of parts of the world where I am shooting and even if you get on line the rate of transfer is so slow that it would take forever to back up files.
As far as choosing between cameras and hard drives to take on a plane the call is also not that obvious. Two DB's with two sets of cameras mount to $100K and are the target number one of baggage handlers way before they would touch the HD. Besides over the years I also had my hand luggage stolen, had been rubbed on the way to plane etc. There truly is no way to protect yourself 100%.
My point is exactly what Anton wrote in his reply:
Wait wait wait...
You put the two existing copies of your data in checked baggage, which is insane. Then the airline lost one copy and broke the other, which is really not hard to predict. Airlines lose luggage all the time, and what they don't lose they break, and that is why I say it's insane to check hard drives.
Then you signed a form that says you understand that Lacie is responsible for the mechanism and not the data, and then you are surprised that you didn't get your data back? I'm sorry for your loss, but you are primarily the victim of your own actions, not Lacie's. Hopefully both you and other people can learn from the mistake.
Once the job is shot it's the hard drives that are the most valuable thing, not the cameras or lenses. If it comes to a choice of having to check something, the cameras, lenses, and laptops should all get checked before the hard drives.
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I spoke to real person at costumer service at Lacie. I took his word his name and his assurance. I marked the box and the Lacie case with RED huge notes in hope that this will make it an IDIOT prove . What I got is a service that maybe Anton is acustom to in NYC but I still struggle with the direction were the world is going to. In my years in business I made massive deals based on man word and a hand shake. It seem that it means nothing anymore and to trust someone it means that you are stupid. I meant my post to be a warning. I personally will be fine regardless of outcome.
Andre
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Snook's remark is nauseating.
Mitchell
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Snook's remark is nauseating.
Mitchell
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Hope you have a barf bag near you then....
I changed it as it meant to say Monks...
But I guess that would offend you also...arrggggg!
Get over it
Snook
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Hope you have a barf bag near you then....
I changed it as it meant to say Monks...
But I guess that would offend you also...arrggggg!
Get over it
Snook
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What's a sand monk?
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What's a sand monk?
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A Monk that lives and hides in the sand... it was meant as a religious poke.
Sand Monk= Religious Fanatic who live in the sand and likes to throw Bombs at United Nations soldiers when they drive by...
Hope that is clear enough for you now but just in case:
[a href=\"http://wapedia.mobi/en/Monks]http://wapedia.mobi/en/Monks[/url]
Snook
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in it's original form, that is pretty much the least offensive thing I've read all day.
but I roll with a rough crowd.
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in it's original form, that is pretty much the least offensive thing I've read all day.
but I roll with a rough crowd.
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I am used to it..
There are many ready to jump all over anything in here.. quite amusing actually.
That is how wars get started in the first place..
Anyways I would like to add that I do feel for the poster. It is an awful feeling right next to having your gear stolen..
But I bet you he will never put a HD underneath again..:+]
Snook
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I am used to it..
There are many ready to jump all over anything in here.. quite amusing actually.
That is how wars get started in the first place..
Anyways I would like to add that I do feel for the poster. It is an awful feeling right next to having your gear stolen..
But I bet you he will never put a HD underneath again..:+]
Snook
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Racist remarks really can't be justified, not on a public forum read by people the world over.
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Racist remarks really can't be justified, not on a public forum read by people the world over.
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I am in no way a racist and actually take offense to you saying I am..
Now we are even..
Get over it.
Snook
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I am in no way a racist and actually take offense to you saying I am..
Now we are even..
Get over it.
Snook
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So you think that referring to people as sand monkeys is o.k.? Or sand monks?
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So you think that referring to people as sand monkeys is o.k.? Or sand monks?
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Of course I do that is why I wrote it...;+]
Now get over it...
That is the beauty of "Freedom of Speech" and photography...
Snook
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Thanks guys,
The original message from my post was not to whine about my losses.
I do understand the importance of back ups and multiple copies. My laptop has all the selects from each day of shoot saved as large jpgs. All raws were saved in the folders on my MackBook pro before moved to external hard drive so with help of a time machine they can be recovered. I already have arrangements with Gillware Inc to recover the files from HD for $1800.
As far as putting files on line from remote location I believe that it is very unrealistic. Internet access is still luxury in lots of parts of the world where I am shooting and even if you get on line the rate of transfer is so slow that it would take forever to back up files.
As far as choosing between cameras and hard drives to take on a plane the call is also not that obvious. Two DB's with two sets of cameras mount to $100K and are the target number one of baggage handlers way before they would touch the HD. Besides over the years I also had my hand luggage stolen, had been rubbed on the way to plane etc. There truly is no way to protect yourself 100%.
My point is exactly what Anton wrote in his reply:
I spoke to real person at costumer service at Lacie. I took his word his name and his assurance. I marked the box and the Lacie case with RED huge notes in hope that this will make it an IDIOT prove . What I got is a service that maybe Anton is acustom to in NYC but I still struggle with the direction were the world is going to. In my years in business I made massive deals based on man word and a hand shake. It seem that it means nothing anymore and to trust someone it means that you are stupid. I meant my post to be a warning. I personally will be fine regardless of outcome.
Andre
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I may be understanding this wrong. bottom of the line is all of the original files were with the baggage out of your sight.
wow.
I find that very dangerous because we know portable drives that are sized small to fit in a briefcase will hold 500 megas each and are made to be easy to keep with you.
I do not understand how this becomes a lacie problem for them to have the responsibility.
I am sorry for your loss and hope it works out with a happy end for you and your customer.
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Of course I do that is why I wrote it...;+]
Now get over it...
That is the beauty of "Freedom of Speech" and photography...
Snook
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Snook you need love. ;-)
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So you think that referring to people as sand monkeys is o.k.? Or sand monks?
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I do not think you should say bad things about monkeys.
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Of course I do that is why I wrote it...;+]
Now get over it...
That is the beauty of "Freedom of Speech" and photography...
Snook
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Ah, the true beauty of free speech, you can make racist comments to your hearts content, the idealism of it all.
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http://www.netwind.com/html/databack_pro.html (http://www.netwind.com/html/databack_pro.html)
Lost and found software.
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Can we get back on topic guys?
Andre, few years ago when I was in college I work in the campus bookstore as an apple tech. I remember there was a hard drive recovery name that was always thrown around as the best and their prices were much lower than some of the other larger names out there... If I can dig up the name and number Ill message you with it.
From my experience I think If they only did a single pass reformat all of your data should (should) be recoverable. I don't want to get your hopes up, but I think its very possible to recover most the data.
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Funny thing about so-called racist remarks: it seems to depend on who happens to be making them.
Many times on TV I see some black dude refer to another black dude as "my nigga" and nobody thinks that´s offensive. I don´t think it is either, but then, that´s because the actor doing the names is black himself, I suppose.
I remember once, many years ago in India, an Indian lad called me a pink rat; I wasn´t upset, just surprised to find that a fellow schoolboy would choose to resort to names based on colour... after several years there, it was the one and only time I came across that. I can´t say I´d be offended to be called honky either - names are just that. There is something hellishly sad about the way in which political correctness has crept into the mainstream of life these past fifteen or so years. Far from creating a calmer atmosphere, a less stressful world, it has, in my opinion and experience, done the very opposite: created an atmosphere where somebody is just hanging on in there waiting to run to a lawyer and plead some form of victimisation. We are bloody good at that in the UK now. Fortunately, here in Spain, there is a far more laid back attitude.
An example: sitting in my local bar, having something to eat, I caught this conversation at the next table, where two north Africans and a Spanish guy were having a drink. The bar-owner wandered over and made some remark to them about moslems and one of the guys remarked loudly that he wasn´t an African moslem, he was a Spanish African moslem and had the papers to prove it! Well, the entire conversation was in very good humour, with all the parties knowing each other from frequently meeting in that bar. Not a sour voice was heard - it was all in noisy, live-and-let-live manner and with much laughter, proving that with the right mindset you can all share racist remarks and see a funny side. And that´s the point: you have to be unaware of political correctness or you can´t have that free´n´easy approach to life. God help Spain when or if it buys into THIS import, one we sure don´t need!
Rob C
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http://www.abolishthenword.com/ (http://www.abolishthenword.com/)
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For data recovery... this has worked very well for me and can handle RAID volumes.
FileScavenger is for Windows systems.
http://www.quetek.com/ (http://www.quetek.com/)
The first time I had a Lacie drive fail, I returned it to the service department and they told me the 'couldn't recover any data'. I was sickened, I searched the net, downloaded the trial of File Scavenger and it worked.
I only needed it to recover my multiple failed Lacie D2 250 drives. Since I stopped buying Lacie I haven't another disc failure.
Lacie products I owned
1) Rubberised 20Gb Pocket Drive - worked fine
2) Lacie D2 250 Gb #1 - failed after 6 months
3) Lacie D2 250 Gb #2 - failed after 6 months
4) Lacie D2 250 Gb #3 - failed after 2 years
5) Lacie D2 DVD writer - failed to write all claimed formats.
So I haven't bought any of their products since.
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Funny thing about so-called racist remarks: it seems to depend on who happens to be making them.
Many times on TV I see some black dude refer to another black dude as "my nigga" and nobody thinks that´s offensive. I don´t think it is either, but then, that´s because the actor doing the names is black himself, I suppose.
I remember once, many years ago in India, an Indian lad called me a pink rat; I wasn´t upset, just surprised to find that a fellow schoolboy would choose to resort to names based on colour... after several years there, it was the one and only time I came across that. I can´t say I´d be offended to be called honky either - names are just that. There is something hellishly sad about the way in which political correctness has crept into the mainstream of life these past fifteen or so years. Far from creating a calmer atmosphere, a less stressful world, it has, in my opinion and experience, done the very opposite: created an atmosphere where somebody is just hanging on in there waiting to run to a lawyer and plead some form of victimisation. We are bloody good at that in the UK now. Fortunately, here in Spain, there is a far more laid back attitude.
An example: sitting in my local bar, having something to eat, I caught this conversation at the next table, where two north Africans and a Spanish guy were having a drink. The bar-owner wandered over and made some remark to them about moslems and one of the guys remarked loudly that he wasn´t an African moslem, he was a Spanish African moslem and had the papers to prove it! Well, the entire conversation was in very good humour, with all the parties knowing each other from frequently meeting in that bar. Not a sour voice was heard - it was all in noisy, live-and-let-live manner and with much laughter, proving that with the right mindset you can all share racist remarks and see a funny side. And that´s the point: you have to be unaware of political correctness or you can´t have that free´n´easy approach to life. God help Spain when or if it buys into THIS import, one we sure don´t need!
Rob C
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Yes Rob, political correctness gone mad, Spain is a shining Beacon of hope, here's a nice picture from the Spanish grand prix. For people who don't know they are referring to Hamilton who happens to be a black driver:
[a href=\"http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/ZLewisHamilton_468x308.jpg]http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_0...ton_468x308.jpg[/url]
What an awful world it would be if this kind of thing wasn't tolerated.
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Alright, look. I'm operating under the assumption that I am one of the very few persons of color or African-Americans who frequents this forum. That said, references to "sand monkeys" (derived from "sand nigger", presumably), not surprisingly, rub me the wrong way. They strike me as unnecessary, childish and offensive, as does that dumb ass picture of a bunch of idiots in blackface.
Before you get your "political correctness/persecuted by liberals" panties all in a bunch, let me also point out that I'm a professor of law who specializes in civil rights and civil liberties. As such, I'm unimpressed by your whining about your "free speech" being suppressed. First off, the government isn't suppressing your speech here. Second, in fact, no one is suppressing your speech here; only Michael can do that. All I'm doing is exercising MY right to free speech by calling you out as an ignorant racist.
Yes Rob, political correctness gone mad, Spain is a shining Beacon of hope, here's a nice picture from the Spanish grand prix. For people who don't know they are referring to Hamilton who happens to be a black driver:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_0...ton_468x308.jpg (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/ZLewisHamilton_468x308.jpg)
What an awful world it would be if this kind of thing wasn't tolerated.
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andre....as much as i feel for you....would you EVER have checked the bag with film in your luggage? no....same goes for the HDs....
data recovery should be able to get your stuff back unless somebody wrote over it already or did some crazy o level format....
i have a lot of lacie equipment...HDs, DVD burners, monitors....never had a problem...and i actually find the lacie people some of the most helpful around.....
sandisk has a lot of deals going on right now and i am buying cards like crazy.....8gb extremeIII card come out to about almost nothing right now....so i start the back up with the cards....i do not format them at the shoot....i am planning to have enough cards so i can do 3 shoots (should be about 20 cards max) without reformating the first batch.....then on the HD, then on the raid, then offsite (online) storage.....provides one more level of back-up.....
and photorescue does an amazing job of recovering files from cards (even if they are reformated..)
the good thing about digital is that it really is only money and lazyness that keeps us for being 100% safe...film was always only in one place (where fires, water, theft,.....could happen at any time).....
drives are getting bigger and cheaper....there are no excuses.....
still loosing a shoot like that totally sucks and can happen because these things do happen....back-up cameras usually break at the same time as the main....
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psst... I flew on a 5 seater oct 5th 1980.
I flew to california and back to tick off an ex-gf in 2000.
I flew to california and back to my bff's wedding in 2005.
other than that, I stay grounded.
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Many times on TV I see some black dude refer to another black dude as "my nigga" and nobody thinks that´s offensive. I don´t think it is either, but then, that´s because the actor doing the names is black himself, I suppose.
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I found [a href=\"http://www.theonion.com/content/video/use_of_n_word_may_end_porn_stars]this[/url] hilarious - to save the blushes of those sensitive souls here, don't watch it if you choose to be offended by nudity, bad language or indeed satirical humour.
Jeremy
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I found this (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/use_of_n_word_may_end_porn_stars) hilarious - to save the blushes of those sensitive souls here, don't watch it if you choose to be offended by nudity, bad language or indeed satirical humour.
Jeremy
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Yep, quite funny indeed! But then, you can´t be pc and also see the point of the joke in the link.
Rob C
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Yep, quite funny indeed! But then, you can´t be pc and also see the point of the joke in the link.
Rob C
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In the link they were making fun of the absurdity of the whole situation, which was funny, thats very different to an off hand racist remark.
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My laptop has all the selects from each day of shoot saved as large jpgs. All raws were saved in the folders on my MackBook pro before moved to external hard drive so with help of a time machine they can be recovered.
Andre,
I never doubted that you had files in the two laptops you carried onto the plane with you. I'm a little unclear if you got home with the raw files that were saved in folders on your MacBook, or if you had deleted the raw files from the laptops after moving them to the external drive before you departed Costa Rica. In any event, you are are one of the strongest working pros if not the strongest working pro on this forum, so nobody should have any doubts that you made it home with your work. The trip sounded like a blast! My only question would be when are you going to stop lugging that heavy RZ and A75S to all these great places and get an AFi II? And I would like to know your thoughts on the AFi II 10.
David
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Alright, look. I'm operating under the assumption that I am one of the very few persons of color or African-Americans who frequents this forum. That said, references to "sand monkeys" (derived from "sand nigger", presumably), not surprisingly, rub me the wrong way. They strike me as unnecessary, childish and offensive, as does that dumb ass picture of a bunch of idiots in blackface.
Before you get your "political correctness/persecuted by liberals" panties all in a bunch, let me also point out that I'm a professor of law who specializes in civil rights and civil liberties. As such, I'm unimpressed by your whining about your "free speech" being suppressed. First off, the government isn't suppressing your speech here. Second, in fact, no one is suppressing your speech here; only Michael can do that. All I'm doing is exercising MY right to free speech by calling you out as an ignorant racist.
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Umm, William, I think you didn´t quite grasp that Wolf 75 is actually on YOUR side on this one and sticking it to ME. Professor of Law, you say... also, isn´t it a little presumptious to think that few persons of colour, to use your expression, frequent this space? Why would you think that? How could you know? Isn´t that a slightly racist position in itself?
I think that if you re-read my post above, you will see that my point is that raciscm is not the issue in all places that it seems to be in the Western/English speaking world; that´s why I gave the Spanish example - the little bar incident, with nobody taking offence. PC is almost unheard of in my part of Spain - there is no need for it. And don´t make the mistake of thinking that pc is only about race! It is about everything that can be twisted and turned into something else that allows a sad group to feel better about itself than it would otherwise be able to.
As for the racing fans - well, they do the same bullshit in football, in anything you can think of where the dumb masses gather together to fawn at the feet of the superstar who neither knows they exist not cares. How can you expect better?
Sand moneys. That´s a totally new one on me - not even sure I understand the racial connection any more clearly than you do. Just not pc enough I guess!
Rob C
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Umm, William, I think you didn´t quite grasp that Wolf 75 is actually on YOUR side on this one and sticking it to ME. Professor of Law, you say... also, isn´t it a little presumptious to think that few persons of colour, to use your expression, frequent this space? Why would you think that? How could you know? Isn´t that a slightly racist position in itself?
I think that if you re-read my post above, you will see that my point is that raciscm is not the issue in all places that it seems to be in the Western/English speaking world; that´s why I gave the Spanish example - the little bar incident, with nobody taking offence. PC is almost unheard of in my part of Spain - there is no need for it. And don´t make the mistake of thinking that pc is only about race! It is about everything that can be twisted and turned into something else that allows a sad group to feel better about itself than it would otherwise be able to.
As for the racing fans - well, they do the same bullshit in football, in anything you can think of where the dumb masses gather together to fawn at the feet of the superstar who neither knows they exist not cares. How can you expect better?
Sand moneys. That´s a totally new one on me - not even sure I understand the racial connection any more clearly than you do. Just not pc enough I guess!
Rob C
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Here here...
there is no such thing as Sand Monkeys.. it was a typo.. Amazing you all still carry on about it..
Jeeeeeeeez.... Oh wait that comes from Jesus and maybe racial....
Get out and go shoot...
Stop trying to read into peoples words making them something they are not...
There is always some bonehead trying to yell Racism...
William is typical of this... He IS being Presumptiuos.... What being a professor of Law makes you right...Get over it! I guess that makes many of the Africans who actually sold slaves several generations ago OK because they were African...
Don't turn this into a Thread that has nothing to do with photography...
Racism has nothing to do with your skin color...
So 80's
Snook
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Stupidity is costly as we all know. I thought I share my recent experience here to save some big headache to any fellow member who will want to trust Lacie.
We just came back from a five day calendar shoot in Costa Rica. Shooting went very smooth, we had a great weather, flew in amazing models and wrapped up everything to our greatest satisfaction.
It was a decent size production with lots of rented lighting equipment so all with a substantial price tag.
We saved all images to Lacie 1TB and becked everything to identical memory unit.
Due to weight restrictions on hand baggage I opted to keep camera, lenses and two laptops with us and putting memories to two separate travel cases.
One of my bags got lost/stolen/vanished and never got recovered. The second one looked like it fell from from airplane and crashed on concrete. Upon inspection we realize that one of the hard drive disks moved out of its place rendering it unreadable. Right away I called Lacie and personally made arrangement to have it repaired. I explained the importance and value of the content and got verbal reasurrence that they will not due anything to harm the files. I Fedex it overnight to personal attention of my Lacie contact whom I spoke earlier on the phone. We put red tape sticky note " do not reformat " on the box and the Lacie case. Package arrived to Lacie at 9:30 am and after tracking the package on Fedex website and confirming delivery I call them around 11am. That 1.5 hour was enough time for this Fuc...rs to reformat the memory and mount back the disk.
The rest is just a history, nobody is liable responsible or even willing to say I am sorry. The form I sign says they do not guarantee the content just the hardware. This a common practice of reformatting at Lacie before even diagnosing the problem. After facts I was told that they are not in business of recovering files and then hanged up on.
No words to describe how I feel.
Andre
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Sorry for your loss.
First rule - have at least 3 copies of everything, in multiple places. For normal personal trips I copy to my laptop, an external USB hard drive, and an Epson P-4000 portable viewer with a built-in 80G hard drive. All equipment goes in the plane with me. Always. Even if the laptop dies, I still have the Epson to rely on. On my next major trip I'll probably add a second Epson just in case. Of course, my wife also has equivalent gear, so I could always borrow that if everything failed.
If I was doing a commercial shoot, with time and money on the line, I would have multiple handhelds, laptops, and portable USB drives available, and never let them out of my grubby fingers.
FWIW, shipping one or two spare portable hard drives, with a complete copy of everything on them, back by FedEx would not be unreasonable.
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Here here...
there is no such thing as Sand Monkeys.. it was a typo.. Amazing you all still carry on about it..
Jeeeeeeeez.... Oh wait that comes from Jesus and maybe racial....
Get out and go shoot...
Stop trying to read into peoples words making them something they are not...
There is always some bonehead trying to yell Racism...
William is typical of this... He IS being Presumptiuos.... What being a professor of Law makes you right...Get over it! I guess that makes many of the Africans who actually sold slaves several generations ago OK because they were African...
Don't turn this into a Thread that has nothing to do with photography...
Racism has nothing to do with your skin color...
So 80's
Snook
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I'm not sure about your get out and shoot comment, if you don't have an intellectual integrity behind your work you pictures will never be worth much. Off hand racist comments show a lack of intellect, if intellect is lacking your pictures have no hope.
Rob-C, you say that whenever masses get together for things such as sporting events then you get racism, that is not the case in every country, England has taken great steps forward in this respect, Spain has not. Your example of where in Spain it's o.k. to say politically incorrect things is a perfect example of why it's not o.k. to let such things slip. In England you can't make small racist comments at all and the english fans don't jeer black players off of the pitch. Do you think this is a coincidence or are the 2 things related?
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The problem with political correctness as a concept is that the outcome is largely dependent on who defines what is correct and what not - just think about what religious fanatics would see as being "correct"
That is - at least in my opinion - the reason why freedom of speech should be valued higher than pc in a modern society ...
And: the cause - or the beginning if you like - for racism is not wether people are allowed to say certain words in public. It always has been hate and fear.
Frank
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I'm not sure about your get out and shoot comment, if you don't have an intellectual integrity behind your work you pictures will never be worth much. Off hand racist comments show a lack of intellect, if intellect is lacking your pictures have no hope.
Rob-C, you say that whenever masses get together for things such as sporting events then you get racism, that is not the case in every country, England has taken great steps forward in this respect, Spain has not. Your example of where in Spain it's o.k. to say politically incorrect things is a perfect example of why it's not o.k. to let such things slip. In England you can't make small racist comments at all and the english fans don't jeer black players off of the pitch. Do you think this is a coincidence or are the 2 things related?
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I'm spanish (living in Sweden since 1999).
You guys have no idea of what you're talking about so get back to the topic of this thread which has nothing to do with racism or Spain so...
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Sorry to hear this about your work being lost, this is a nightmare for all of us. Because of all the uncertainties about laptops and possible confiscation, I've started burning two DVD's along with two external drives on every job. I put one DVD in my carry on with the other two drives. The second DVD is mailed or sent Fed-X.
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I'm spanish (living in Sweden since 1999).
You guys have no idea of what you're talking about so get back to the topic of this thread which has nothing to do with racism or Spain so...
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You are right on both counts Samuel: Spain was the only country I can think of where Moslem, Jew and Christian had a working relationship that allowed them all to live side by side for centuries.
As for football, Wolfie, just take one country like Scotland. There are two major teams: Rangers and Celtic, the former the rallying call for the Protestants and the other for Catholics. And this despite the fact that the teams have employed players from both religions. They, the fans, hate with a vengeance. And you know the funny part? Non of those fans are religious in the sense that they go to church. They are just religious in the sense that it provides an enemy to beat up on at every opportunity. The problem with all such things as racism, religious intollerance and on and on is that it is bred from generations of deeply held belief rooted in extreme poverty and equal parts of ignorance.
English fans don´t do racism? They don´t do religion? How about the splendid folks up the Mersey...
Education, education, education, they say. Yes, but who is to do the educating and who will monitor the educator?
And that´s as far as I´m going with this thing. There is not and never has been an answer to the ills of this world and pc is no way doing anything positive towards that end. As I indicated in the earlier post, what it does is create situations where an innocent thing is taken as an insult: golliwogs, for example, were beloved of the little girls that had them. That was a negative vibe? Dear God, how sick can anyone get that can believe such tripe? Somebody is blind. So he´s no longer blind, that has been turned into something very else, and he now has to be called visually impaired or he can sue for some damn thing or another. Mad, mad as hatters! Unless the hatters of the world decide to unite and sue!
What a miserable little genie those pc peple pushed out of the bottle.
Rob C
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You are right on both counts Samuel: Spain was the only country I can think of where Moslem, Jew and Christian had a working relationship that allowed them all to live side by side for centuries.
As for football, Wolfie, just take one country like Scotland. There are two major teams: Rangers and Celtic, the former the rallying call for the Protestants and the other for Catholics. And this despite the fact that the teams have employed players from both religions. They, the fans, hate with a vengeance. And you know the funny part? Non of those fans are religious in the sense that they go to church. They are just religious in the sense that it provides an enemy to beat up on at every opportunity. The problem with all such things as racism, religious intollerance and on and on is that it is bred from generations of deeply held belief rooted in extreme poverty and equal parts of ignorance.
English fans don´t do racism? They don´t do religion? How about the splendid folks up the Mersey...
Education, education, education, they say. Yes, but who is to do the educating and who will monitor the educator?
And that´s as far as I´m going with this thing. There is not and never has been an answer to the ills of this world and pc is no way doing anything positive towards that end. As I indicated in the earlier post, what it does is create situations where an innocent thing is taken as an insult: golliwogs, for example, were beloved of the little girls that had them. That was a negative vibe? Dear God, how sick can anyone get that can believe such tripe? Somebody is blind. So he´s no longer blind, that has been turned into something very else, and he now has to be called visually impaired or he can sue for some damn thing or another. Mad, mad as hatters! Unless the hatters of the world decide to unite and sue!
What a miserable little genie those pc peple pushed out of the bottle.
Rob C
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Well that clears it all up.
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David Levinthal did a series of photographs called Blackface. Certainly food for thought.
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Hating racists is very un-pc.
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It seems to me there's a major problem with weight restrictions on 'carry-on' baggage. The last time I left Australia, I found myself in the absurd position of being requested to transfer stuff from my camera bag and small backpack to my suitcase because I was over the 7Kg limit (or is it 10Kg?).
In order to avoid transferring any camera equipment to the suitcase, I transferred everything else that would be unlikely to be damaged; books I was going to read on the plane, toilet bag, power supply to the laptop, battery chargers and spare batteries. Eventually, I got the weight down to an acceptable level only slightly in excess of the limit.
On my next trip I'm going to stuff a couple of 320GB pocket drives in my pockets. The airlines haven't got around yet to weighing one's body weight upon check-in.
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The airlines haven't got around yet to weighing one's body weight upon check-in.
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It´ll come, Ray, it´ll come! It´s only the good ole´pc rule that´s prevented passegers paying by weight. You know, as is their luggage. ;-)
But skinny guys like me will do well! Oops, sorry, body-mass-challenged guys like me was what I meant to say.
Rob C
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What a miserable little genie those pc peple pushed out of the bottle.
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oh come on, you can blame Microsoft for some things, but this is going to far ;-)
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oh come on, you can blame Microsoft for some things, but this is going to far ;-)
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At last, a breath of fesh air and humour!
Seriously, though, it´s only through humour and things like that that any progress will be made. You can never legislate what people must like and what people are allowed to say or think. It has been tried, with you know what results.
The UK example, where there is now "positive" discrimination which actively prevents white males from competing/applying for jobs, in some areas, with only females (any colour) and ethinic minorities permitted to apply. What in the name of lost sanity is that about? Is that meant to encourage appreciation for minorities or even poor old women, for that matter? I believe resentment is what that creates - not a happy workflow!
I agree wholeheartedly that raciscm is ugly; I agree that it is wrong to call people of different races by insulting names (when you can define that properly) and that people with physical deficiencies should not be tormented because of them. However, the way to achieving that, which is nothing more than respect for others, is through education of the young in a family environment. It has nothing to do with schools, the state or anything beyond family. It is the early education of children that matters most; it is the instilling in them by parents that other people should be treated as you would have them treat you. It isn´t rocket science, it isn´t religion - certainly not religion - it is not political correctness, a further burden of confusion thrust upon the western world; what it is is a return to basic values which have been mocked by generations of politicos who happen to be enjoying the financial fruit of the education that their parents encouraged them to have. But they no longer choose to see that, seeing political capital in fostering the "somebody else´s fault" ethic which has come home to roost.
I was stunned to see Harry Potter´mum writing million pound cheques to Labour because she had a hard time as a single mum; that she thinks it terrible that a wedded couple should have any benefit from being a stable unit (insofar as anything can be these days). I would have thought that, short of rape, being a single mum or even a divorced one smacks more of making a series of very flawed decisions for yourself. Why should others have to carry the can for that?
So yes, let´s have some light humour on these pages, and lots less fake goodness.
Rob C
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At last, a breath of fesh air and humour!
Seriously, though, it´s only through humour and things like that that any progress will be made. You can never legislate what people must like and what people are allowed to say or think. It has been tried, with you know what results.
The UK example, where there is now "positive" discrimination which actively prevents white males from competing/applying for jobs, in some areas, with only females (any colour) and ethinic minorities permitted to apply. What in the name of lost sanity is that about? Is that meant to encourage appreciation for minorities or even poor old women, for that matter? I believe resentment is what that creates - not a happy workflow!
I agree wholeheartedly that raciscm is ugly; I agree that it is wrong to call people of different races by insulting names (when you can define that properly) and that people with physical deficiencies should not be tormented because of them. However, the way to achieving that, which is nothing more than respect for others, is through education of the young in a family environment. It has nothing to do with schools, the state or anything beyond family. It is the early education of children that matters most; it is the instilling in them by parents that other people should be treated as you would have them treat you. It isn´t rocket science, it isn´t religion - certainly not religion - it is not political correctness, a further burden of confusion thrust upon the western world; what it is is a return to basic values which have been mocked by generations of politicos who happen to be enjoying the financial fruit of the education that their parents encouraged them to have. But they no longer choose to see that, seeing political capital in fostering the "somebody else´s fault" ethic which has come home to roost.
I was stunned to see Harry Potter´mum writing million pound cheques to Labour because she had a hard time as a single mum; that she thinks it terrible that a wedded couple should have any benefit from being a stable unit (insofar as anything can be these days). I would have thought that, short of rape, being a single mum or even a divorced one smacks more of making a series of very flawed decisions for yourself. Why should others have to carry the can for that?
So yes, let´s have some light humour on these pages, and lots less fake goodness.
Rob C
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Your nothing more than an old fashioned un-reconstructed boor who isn't of a level worth debating with, now run along and buy yourself a copy of the Sun.
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Your nothing more than an old fashioned un-reconstructed boor who isn't of a level worth debating with, now run along and buy yourself a copy of the Sun.
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Take the time and watch this:
[a href=\"http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html]http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonatha...moral_mind.html[/url]
You might come out of your box
Best
Frank
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Your nothing more than an old fashioned un-reconstructed boor who isn't of a level worth debating with, now run along and buy yourself a copy of the Sun.
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I suppose that if you have nothing to say, then that´s about the limit of coversation one should expect from you.
By the way, what have you found in the Sun that makes you think that I might want to try it too?
Rob C
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Take the time and watch this:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonatha...moral_mind.html (http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html)
You might come out of your box
Best
Frank
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Well contributed Frank
if you go off topic you might as well throw something positive like that into the pot
anyway this is another deteriorated thread, highjacked by a couple
Please Michael do your thing!!!
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Take the time and watch this:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonatha...moral_mind.html (http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html)
You might come out of your box
Best
Frank
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Loved that link
While we're in the same enlightened vibe check out the soulful message from blind artist, 'Raul Midon' @ [a href=\"http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/raul_midon_plays_everybody_and_peace_on_earth.html]http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/raul_mi...e_on_earth.html[/url]
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It´ll come, Ray, it´ll come! It´s only the good ole´pc rule that´s prevented passegers paying by weight. You know, as is their luggage. ;-)
But skinny guys like me will do well! Oops, sorry, body-mass-challenged guys like me was what I meant to say.
Rob C
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Rob,
This is a good example of PC. I hope plain economics and good sense eventually prevail. I've always found it rather absurd that a 150Kg passenger with 10Kg of hand luggage pays the same price as a 50Kg skinny with no hand luggage, yet, if my suitcase is 10Kg over the limit I have to pay a penalty, whether I'm a skinny or not.
In Australia and America, and no doubt in Britain & Europe too, there's a huge obesity problem due to underexercise and the overeating of tasty but fatty foods.
Scientists provide interesting explanations along the lines that some folks have a genetic defect that prevents them from realising when they are full.
Let the airlines come to the rescue. Your airfare is proportional to your weight. Let's give people a real incentive to lose weight .
Note: This is not irrelevant to the OP's original complaint that started the thread..
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Rob,
Ray,
Rob,
Ray,
would someone please be kind enough to cancel the Rob and Ray show.
please.
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would someone please be kind enough to cancel the Rob and Ray show.
please.
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Don't exaggerate. Ray is a late-comer to this thread and I'm bang on topic.
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Don't exaggerate. Ray is a late-comer to this thread and I'm bang on topic.
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You are Ray.....
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would someone please be kind enough to cancel the Rob and Ray show.
please.
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Good evening, Cooter
Nice to se you arise, phoenix-like from the technicolour past!
There is a beautuiful sense of déjà vu to this thread: I refer you back to the closed one on the MF gallery where I was accused of all manner of evil doings until I got somwhat fed up with it and challenged the loud voices to pin-point a single defamatory post that I had made in that thread, when in truth, all I´d done was refer to a specific image that gave me that certain "wish it were mine" feeling. Needless to say, there was no reply; I guess the jackal that howls along with the pack at the first sniff of blood, even it entirely imaginary blood, has to stop when in the face of reality rather than the faux, personal version of truth.
So with this thread, except that poor old (sorry) Ray has been dragged in for no apparent reason.
1. I have said that I find racism ugly.
2. I have said that one should treat others as one would have them treat oneself.
3. I have said that manners and lifestyle are best taght at the knee of a responsible parent (better two).
4. I have said that one very effective way to treat questions of race (as by the Spanish example I gave) is with humour, a quality which defuses many situations and allows different folks to just laugh at the vagaries of life, the grand lottery of existence.
5. I have said that the road to this harmony is not the one sold to the masses via the siren call of political correctness, a policy which of itself creates even further division amongst people and frees yet newer devils from the vault.
6. I have said that one should be responsible for one´s own decisions and, importantly, for one´s own mistakes.
So I repeat the challenge to you and your fellow brothers-up-in-arms: where is the problem, the dreadful statement cast amogst you to create chaos?
As for Ray being dragged into the firing line, I suppose it´s what happens when people associate someone with a refusal to accept the current hot idea without questioning its value. But then, that´s reason enough, Cooter, isn´t it?
Why doesn´t Michael close this thread, cast Ray and myself into the further reaches of hell? Didn´t it ever occur to those of you who ask that there is a simple answer? Michael can read.
Sweet dreams
Rob C
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anyway this is another deteriorated thread, highjacked by a couple
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Marc, this thread died at the first post: if you are brave enough to tell the truth, there is nothing to say or add - the guy blew it, end of story.
What followed is nothing more than an example of the political correctness police doing their constitutional thing, creating problems where non existed by originally accusing one poster (not myself, oddly enough, as you would be forgiven for having imagined) of being racist. So who throws the dog mess, then? Just read the thread again, if you have the energy, and READ the POSTS, not the latest sound bite which is where so many go wrong by basing their understanding on false premises built on earlier, equally false ones. Go to basics if you want to form intelligent opinion from which to make statements of worth.
Rob C
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Didn´t it ever occur to those of you who ask that there is a simple answer? Michael can read.
Sweet dreams
Rob C
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From the What's New section
10 September, 2008 - Sony Announces 25MP Full Frame A900 DSLR - Review
Though we've known pretty much what to expect and when, Sony announcement of their 25 Megapixel full frame A900 is still very exciting. This makes it currently the highest resolution sensor in any 35mm format DSLR.
Our colleague Nick Rains has been using an A900 for the past week, and in his exclusive Sony A900 Field Report gives us his initial impressions.
Please note that I am currently on a shoot in Botswana and therefore unable to respond to any e-mails until I return on September 23rd.
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Marc, this thread died at the first post: if you are brave enough to tell the truth, there is nothing to say or add - the guy blew it, end of story.
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You two Ray and Rob seem to be two people with plain of time.
Personally, I find this highjacking practice of yours very frustrating and irritating.
You're like the children who start papper airplain wars when the teacher steps out of the classroom.
You should be grown enought to understand that threads should die naturally and not because you choose to lead the conversation 180 degrees to the oposite direction.
Michael has choosen not to act about this and I respect him because it keeps the forum in some way clean of dictation.
But for busy people like me, reading throught gigantic pile of BS in the wrong place to get to some useful lines is something I don't have time for.
So sooner or later I'll say bye and have a good time because I'm very serious about what I do and this kind of friend wine chat room should not be allowed in a place for advanced/professional photogs.
There other places in this (and other) forums for that kind of tertulia.
I'd really like you to consider how you use of these forums and seriously reconsider the way you treat the other people who spends their time here.
Best Regards
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Sand monkeys? No big deal. You really have to watch out for these guys (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc30/steveroebuck/sandninjas.jpg), though.
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You are Ray.....
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Absolutely! Did you not bother to read Andre's complaint, his first post? I'll quote below the point I was addressing.
We saved all images to Lacie 1TB and backed everything to identical memory unit.
Due to weight restrictions on hand baggage I opted to keep camera, lenses and two laptops with us and putting memories to two separate travel cases.
One of my bags got lost/stolen/vanished and never got recovered. The second one looked like it fell from from airplane and crashed on concrete. [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=222255\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Andre basically lost his data due to weight limits on hand baggage. It's a problem many of us have to contend with. But there is a solution along the lines I have expressed, although I fear such a solution would be politically incorrect because fat people would scream and holler that they were being discriminated against. (I'm attempting to be slightly humorous here.)
There's an airline operating in Australia (Air Asia) which charges specifically for the amount of baggae you carry. If you travel light with no suitcase, you pay less. Up to 15Kg there's a surcharge. Up to 30Kg, the limit, there's a further surcharge.
They also charge extra for meals and refreshments, but so far they haven't started weighing people.
However, there is already an easy solution to this problem of hand baggage restrictions. There are a number of brands of 320Gb pocket drives that are extremely light and compact. It takes only 3 of them to make up a terabyte drive and 3 of them together are much lighter and more compact than a terabyte external hard drive. These pocket drives really do fit in a pocket; even a shirt pocket.
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It seems to be the cool thing to make out technical things aren't so important in photography. I know the worlds greatest piano players, ballet dancers etc don't take such an approach (or should I say assume such a pose) of disregard to technical requirements as photographers do. The camera does matter.
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But not as much as the photographer.
To return to OP. I recently bought a 500G Samsung HD and 2x320G WDs to use on a location shoot. I can carry them all in my trouser pockets, they are that small.
Not expensive either, so I could have even more so I could have a couple of copies on me, a couple in my onboard luggage and a couple in my checked bag, if I was truly paranoid. I figured 3 HDs on my person/backpack was enough and a 750G HD 3.5" in checked baggage, wrapped in a lot of clothes.
I'm paranoid about HDs failing - I had a batch of Deathstars some years back!
I also have to recommend Samsung as not only are they quiet and very fast, but they are the only brand I've yet to have a failure with, apart from when knocking a spinning 3.5" HD onto solid floor.
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Thank you all for all your advices in this hard time.
Today I received a call informing me that all my Raws have been recovered. Total cost around $2.5k.
I totally understood my mistake and my responsibility. My client never doubted that if would not be able to deliver I was good with financing the entire re-shoot since I made the call ( the wrong call ).
Hope my story stops somebody from making similar mistake which could be much more costly that in my case.
However I have to admit that reading through this entire topic made me realize why so many working pros do not want to participate in LL under their real name. In times it is really a shame to have your name as a topic started affiliated with some of the off the board responses.
For me a lesson learned.
fgdrte aka Andre
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Thank you all for all your advices in this hard time.
Today I received a call informing me that all my Raws have been recovered. Total cost around $2.5k.
I totally understood my mistake and my responsibility. My client never doubted that if would not be able to deliver I was good with financing the entire re-shoot since I made the call ( the wrong call ).
Hope my story stops somebody from making similar mistake which could be much more costly that in my case.
However I have to admit that reading through this entire topic made me realize why so many working pros do not want to participate in LL under their real name. In times it is really a shame to have your name as a topic started affiliated with some of the off the board responses.
For me a lesson learned.
fgdrte aka Andre
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Dear Andre,
I'm very glad you managed to get your work back. What a relief it must be!
I read the responses and was just dismayed as to how a warning about Lacie could be dragged into so many pages of unrelated garbage.
In any case, am really happy to know all's well for you.
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Today I received a call informing me that all my Raws have been recovered.
Very glad you got them back Andre - a nasty lesson to endure, none the less.
On that note, having trawled through the rest of the crap on this thread, I'm out of here for the time being.
Maybe back in the future.
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Thank you all for all your advices in this hard time.
Today I received a call informing me that all my Raws have been recovered. Total cost around $2.5k.
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fgdrte aka Andre
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nice to hear,
how was the experience with the recover company (which?) ?
Greetings
Adina
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I totally understood my mistake and my responsibility. My client never doubted that if would not be able to deliver I was good with financing the entire re-shoot since I made the call ( the wrong call ).
Hope my story stops somebody from making similar mistake which could be much more costly that in my case.
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Andre,
I thought of you yesterday. Was shooting a still life job, and I set up Synchnronize Pro X to back up the job every thirty minutes, automatically. I have always been good with redundancy, but your story sent a chill up my spine, and forced me to learn Synchronize Pro X even further. I've got SPX backing stuff automatically all day long now; a new paranoia. A healthy paranoia. So, good things can come out of bad.
Also glad you got your RAWs back. $2.5k is much cheaper than a reshoot.