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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: thsinar on September 15, 2008, 10:53:56 am

Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 15, 2008, 10:53:56 am
For your information, just released, prices for the Sinar Hy6 - 65 camera system:

1. Sinar Hy6 - 65  ---> Euro 12'073.- (about US$ 17'200.-)

Scope of Delivery

- Sinar Hy6 Body
- Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS lens
- Format Mask Hy6/65
- Sinar Hy6 65 back
- Firewire Cable 1394 B, 4.5 m
- Sinar V290 Battery, 7.2 V Li+
- Charger V290 Battery (including Mains adapter, and 12V Lighter cable)
- CF Card 4 GB
- CF Card Reader
- Gray Card
- Digital Cleaning Kit
- Sinarback Software on CD
- Sinar Hy6 System Case, empty

Availability: October 2008

2. Sinar Hy6 -s65r ---> Euro 15'841.- (about US$ 22'500.-)

Scope of Delivery

- Sinar Hy6 Body
- Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS lens
- SB eMotion/Sinar Hy6 Revolving Adapter
- Format Mask Hy6/65
- Sinarback eSprit 65 LV
- Firewire Cable 1394 B, 4.5 m
- 2 Sinar V290 Batteries, 7.2 V Li+
-  Twin Charger V290 Battery (including Mains adapter, and 12V Lighter cable)
- CF Card 4 GB
- CF Card Reader
- Gray Card
- White Shading Diffusor 100
- Digital Cleaning Kit
- Sinarback Software on CD
- Sinar Hy6 System Case, empty

Availability: October 2008

3. Sinarback eSprit 65 LV ---> Euro 10'854.- (about US$ 15'500.-)

Scope of Delivery

- Sinarback eSprit 65 LV
- Firewire Cable 1394 B, 4.5 m
- Sinar V290 Battery, 7.2 V Li+
- Charger V290 Battery (including Mains adapter, and 12V Lighter cable)
- CF Card 4 GB
- CF Card Reader
- Gray Card
- White Shading Diffusor 100
- Sinarback Software on CD
- Digital Cleaning Kit
- Sinarback Universal Case, empty

Availability: October 2008

All technical information concerning these 2 camera systems and this Sinarback has been mostly given in the following thread:

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=27565 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27565)

The brochure for these systems and digital back can be downloaded from here:

http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__ga...s-rand-252.html (http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__gast-e-1072-24-1154-urlvars-rand-252.html)

Go to "Downloads" ---> "Brochures".

For further questions, please visit us at our booth at Photokina, next week, for those able.

Best regards,
Thierry
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Mitchell Baum on September 15, 2008, 11:12:53 am
Thanks Thierry,

There may be a Hy6 in my future after all.

Glad to see Sinar get competitive prices on these.

It's a lot more money for the s65r. I don't really need the revolving back, but I might want to use LF shift. And, if I ever want to move up to another back for the Hy6 which I love, I don't think I can get any offers for a 65 back without the body.

Best,

Mitchell
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Natasa Stojsic on September 15, 2008, 11:35:18 am
Thierry, Thanks  

These prices are close to what I expected  !!!


Could you just confirm one thing.... when you shoot tethered, are you able to see the image on DB and the Computer at the same time or just Computer? Because as I remember.... not long ago ( I couldn't find the thread to point it out..) there was a talk about shooting tethered and not being able to see the image on both DB and Computer screen at the same time!!! So , I'm not sure.... who they were talking about SINAR or LEAF?

That is a deal breaker to me  !!!
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Mike W on September 15, 2008, 11:45:30 am
Gotta love those prices....
Not too much of course, just a little more :-)
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Carl Glover on September 15, 2008, 11:46:48 am
Nice!

Thierry,

Is there any upgrade deal going on?

I'd love to trade up my Sinar 54LV for the esprit 65LV and save a bit of money if possible.


Regards,

Carl
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 15, 2008, 11:47:48 am
Dear Natasa,

I can confirm that the image is shown in the back's display, when tethered, until the image is on the HD of the computer.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry, Thanks  

These prices are close to what I expected  !!!
Could you just confirm one thing.... when you shoot tethered, are you able to see the image on DB and the Computer at the same time or just Computer? Because as I remember.... not long ago ( I couldn't find the thread to point it out..) there was a talk about shooting tethered and not being able to see the image on both DB and Computer screen at the same time!!! So , I'm not sure.... who they were talking about SINAR or LEAF?

That is a deal breaker to me  !!!
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: FrançoisTT on September 15, 2008, 01:15:03 pm
Thanks Thierry,

Very exciting prices !

- Could you also provide us with new prices of other Sinar Hy6 models (Hy6-e54r, e75r) ?
- and can you specify the date of availability for the Hy6-65 (just after the photokina or rather end of October)

Regards,
François
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Natasa Stojsic on September 15, 2008, 02:30:53 pm
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Dear Natasa,

I can confirm that the image is shown in the back's display, when tethered, until the image is on the HD of the computer.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Related to the above answer.... I would like to ask for how long can I set the display so that perhaps the image display can stay longer 8,9,10,15 seconds or like Canon/Nikon you can set it to stay until you make another exposure... in my case that's the best and something I would prefer?
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: paul_jones on September 15, 2008, 04:16:17 pm
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Related to the above answer.... I would like to ask for how long can I set the display so that perhaps the image display can stay longer 8,9,10,15 seconds or like Canon/Nikon you can set it to stay until you make another exposure... in my case that's the best and something I would prefer?
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thierry, can you repost the prices for the lenses and finder so i see what a whole system would cost? (i know it was posted a while back).

i was quite sold on phase, but the large screen and rotating back, and speed are very usefull features. ill definitely look into this system further.

cheers paul
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: bdp on September 15, 2008, 04:49:09 pm
Thierry,

If Sinar decide to support my Contax I will be one of the first to place an order.

Ben
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: klane on September 15, 2008, 05:15:17 pm
Does the back have microlenses? I dont remember seeing anything about that....

Thanks Kyle
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: samuel_js on September 15, 2008, 05:54:52 pm
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Does the back have microlenses? I dont remember seeing anything about that....

Thanks Kyle
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Yes It does,

(http://www.samuelaxelsson.com/images/LL/mic.jpg)
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: bdp on September 15, 2008, 05:55:57 pm
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Does the back have microlenses? I dont remember seeing anything about that....

Thanks Kyle
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It does. See post 70 and 75 (page 4) here:

[a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27565]http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=27565[/url]

Ben
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 15, 2008, 08:24:52 pm
hi Mitchell,

Why not? somebody with Hy6 body shooting film, for example, or wishing to upgrade from a lower resolution.
Or then there is always the possibility to sell the complete camera system.

Best regards,
Thierry

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And, if I ever want to move up to another back for the Hy6 which I love, I don't think I can get any offers for a 65 back without the body.

Best,

Mitchell
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 15, 2008, 08:28:58 pm
Dear François,

I shall inform about the new reduced prices for the Hy6 - eMotion systems later today, in a separate specific thread.

Availability of the Sinar Hy6 - 65 system and Sinarback eSprit: I have no specific date, but production is starting and first to be delivered shall be for our distributors' demo units. Therefore I believe that there will certainly be a bottleneck during this period.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thanks Thierry,

Very exciting prices !

- Could you also provide us with new prices of other Sinar Hy6 models (Hy6-e54r, e75r) ?
- and can you specify the date of availability for the Hy6-65 (just after the photokina or rather end of October)

Regards,
François
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: elitegroup on September 15, 2008, 09:10:19 pm
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thierry, can you repost the prices for the lenses and finder so i see what a whole system would cost? (i know it was posted a while back).

i was quite sold on phase, but the large screen and rotating back, and speed are very usefull features. ill definitely look into this system further.

cheers paul
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That's funny because I was sold on phase as well and decided to wait until photokina before making a commitment.

When Thierry announced the Hy6 s65r that suddenly changed everything. What's most important to me is onsite & dealer assistance in hardware, capture, post processing, digital tech services, repair turn around time and loaner policy.

King size studios in NZ, [a href=\"http://web.mac.com/adamcustins/kingsize_sales/welcome.html]http://web.mac.com/adamcustins/kingsize_sales/welcome.html[/url] have been more than helpful and supportive in this regard  
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: rethmeier on September 15, 2008, 09:31:09 pm
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 15, 2008, 09:55:49 pm
hi Willem,

There is not a "large" pricedrop, but though a drop. Further, the eMotion 54 LV has been dropped consequently already a few weeks ago, and now another drop.

As said, more later.

Best regards,
Thierry



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Thierry,
will people like me who just leased a Hy6 system,get a rebate from their Sinar dealers,especially if there is a large pricedrop?
Just a thought,however I fully understand what the market dictates.
Cheers,
Willem.
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: bdp on September 16, 2008, 03:05:05 am
Hi Thierry,

Does the Auto WB of the eSprit back work with any camera, or only the Hy6? If I used an eSprit back on a Mamiya 645 for instance, can I use the auto WB, or does it only work in conjunction with the Hy6's internal WB sensor?

Ben
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: patrickfransdesmet on September 16, 2008, 04:33:20 am
as expected prices

I just saved myself a 6.000€ by NOT buying the Hy6 last year ...

Digital back price is very comfortable now !
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 04:45:00 am
No Patrick, you will invest this money in 2 or 3 lenses more!

 

Best regards,
Thierry


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as expected prices

I just saved myself a 6.000€ by NOT buying the Hy6 last year ...

Digital back price is very comfortable now !
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 06:06:41 am
Dear Carl,

There should be upgrade/trade-in available, but am not sure yet what they will be. Please be patient until after Photokina and the contact your distributor.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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Nice!

Thierry,

Is there any upgrade deal going on?

I'd love to trade up my Sinar 54LV for the esprit 65LV and save a bit of money if possible.
Regards,

Carl
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 06:21:04 am
Dear Paul,

sorry for the delay in answering. Recommended prices for and availability of the lenses for the Hy6 are as follow:

- Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS - Euro 1'909.- ---> from stock

- Schneider AFD S-Angulon 2.8/50 PQS - Euro 3'351.- ---> from stock

- Schneider AFD Tele-Xenar 2.8/180 PQ - Euro 3'707.- ---> from stock

- Schneider Super-Angulon 3.5/40 HFT-PQ - Euro  4'262.- ---> from stock

- Schneider Apo-Tele-Xenar 4/300 HFT-PQ - Euro 5'293.- ---> as long as stock lasts

- Schneider Variogon 5.6/140-280 HFT-PQ - Euro 6'091.- ---> as long as stock lasts

- Schneider Apo-Symmar macro 4/90 HFT PQS - Euro 3'317.- ---> from stock
 
- Zeiss Distagon 4/50 EL HFT PQ - Euro 1'823.- ---> as long as stock lasts

- Zeiss Planar 2/110 HFT PQ - Euro 4'372.- ---> as long as stock lasts

- Zeiss Sonnar 4/150 HFT PQS - Euro 2'720.- ---> as long as stock lasts

- Zeiss Sonnar 5.6/250 HFT PQS - Euro 3'165.- ---> from stock

and some of the accessories:

- 45° Prism Finder Hy6 - Euro 945.- ---> from stock

- Film Magazine 4560 - Euro 669.- ---> from stock

- Hy6 Film Magazine Adapter for 4560 - Euro 467.- ---> from stock

Best regards,
Thierry


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thierry, can you repost the prices for the lenses and finder so i see what a whole system would cost? (i know it was posted a while back).

i was quite sold on phase, but the large screen and rotating back, and speed are very usefull features. ill definitely look into this system further.

cheers paul
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 06:23:11 am
David,

you can count on Adam and King Size Studios: very serious and helpful.

Best regards,
Thierry

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That's funny because I was sold on phase as well and decided to wait until photokina before making a commitment.

When Thierry announced the Hy6 s65r that suddenly changed everything. What's most important to me is onsite & dealer assistance in hardware, capture, post processing, digital tech services, repair turn around time and loaner policy.

King size studios in NZ, http://web.mac.com/adamcustins/kingsize_sales/welcome.html (http://web.mac.com/adamcustins/kingsize_sales/welcome.html) have been more than helpful and supportive in this regard 
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 07:11:00 am
Hi Ben,

YES, the "Automatic White Balance" does work on all camera bodies supported by the Sinarback eSprit 65. This has nothing to do with the RGB sensor.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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Hi Thierry,

Does the Auto WB of the eSprit back work with any camera, or only the Hy6? If I used an eSprit back on a Mamiya 645 for instance, can I use the auto WB, or does it only work in conjunction with the Hy6's internal WB sensor?

Ben
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: bdp on September 16, 2008, 07:16:34 am
Excellent, thank you.

Ben
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: James R Russell on September 16, 2008, 11:26:22 am
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- Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS - Euro 1'909.- ---> from stock

- Schneider AFD S-Angulon 2.8/50 PQS - Euro 3'351.- ---> from stock

- Schneider AFD Tele-Xenar 2.8/180 PQ - Euro 3'707.- ---> from stock

- Schneider Super-Angulon 3.5/40 HFT-PQ - Euro  4'262.- ---> from stock

- Zeiss Planar 2/110 HFT PQ - Euro 4'372.- ---> as long as stock lasts

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About every 6 months I think about changing medium format cameras and I start counting.

The HY6 lenses above at current exchange rates come to $23,359.

Then I look at the H system and adding one H body and 5 lenses (even shopping around) gets to around $20,000.

Next the Phamiya, which still seems to be a work in progress in regards to lenses and right angle grips and I assume that switch will also be around $20,000 with lenses.

Now these are just camera and lens prices and if I decided to switch digital backs, well there goes another $18,000 minimum so I ask myself what am I actually gaining for spending $30,000 to $40,000?

I guess I'm just spoiled with the ghetto prices of my Contaxs because everytime I think about one of these switches I just fold my check book up and get back to work.

For a $38,000 investment I can do a lot, add a few Parabolic umbrellas, more profotos, even some HMI's.

Now, in the world of medium format $30,000 is a drop in price to where it was a year ago and I think the new Sinar is very interesting and shows that Sinar is listening well.  A dng workflow, a better lcd, in camera processing and the price for the base package is good, actually surpisingly good but in the end what am I really going to change what I can do now?

What I don't understand is why nobody but Hasselblad has a fast 110 that autfocuses.  If you shoot full length people in interior locations or do portraits for advertising that mm is invaluable especially with the crop sensors.

Ask anyone that uses a Canon and most of us could weld the 85mm 1.2 on it and be fine.

JR
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: John_Black on September 16, 2008, 12:15:09 pm
Aside from the PPR, who else sells Sinar in the US market?  Looking to compile a short list of dealers.  Thanks.
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 12:35:20 pm
Dear John,

all the US Sinar dealers can be found here:

http://www.sinarbron.com/dealers.php (http://www.sinarbron.com/dealers.php)

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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Aside from the PPR, who else sells Sinar in the US market?  Looking to compile a short list of dealers.  Thanks.
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: John_Black on September 16, 2008, 01:06:01 pm
Thank you Thierry.  The list says "primary".  Is there secondary list - I'm hoping to find a dealer in the Orlando, Florida area.  I have an associate who is very interested in demo'ing the HY6-65 system and he's having trouble finding a dealer in his local area.
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 01:18:42 pm
You are welcome, John.

Nope, not to my knowledge: this is the only list I know. I see however that this tile has been added very recently and says:

"If you do not see a dealer in your area please contact info@sinarbron.com and we will direct you to a local dealer"

I would suggest to contact SBI, either Colin King (cking@sinarbron.com) or Dave Mc. Ritchie (dmcritchie@sinarbron.com): they will certainly be able to give you the information.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thank you Thierry.  The list says "primary".  Is there secondary list - I'm hoping to find a dealer in the Orlando, Florida area.  I have an associate who is very interested in demo'ing the HY6-65 system and he's having trouble finding a dealer in his local area.
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Graham Mitchell on September 16, 2008, 03:00:09 pm
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I decided to go for the Rollei 6008 system. I have never regretted this choice or found reason to reconsider.

+1... at least until the Hy6 came along

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Why do you think AF is so important in MF? A good focusing screen lets you focus manually anywhere in the frame without putting the subject under an AF sensor.
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Again, I have to agree. I have 6 lenses for the 6008AF/Hy6 and none of them are AF.

JR, one final point - it's true that the lenses can cost a lot if all bought new, but I got my 40mm PQ, 80mm PQS and 150mm PQS for under €3000. These are easy to find used. Add a new 110/2 if you like and the lens collection is still not so bad at around €7000. I doubt any Hy6 user here went out and bought a whole set of new lenses.
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: James R Russell on September 16, 2008, 03:12:09 pm
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James,
I decided to go for the Rollei 6008 system. I have never regretted this choice or found reason to reconsider.
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Actually, I don't want to get to deep into the workings of my business, but I'm very fortunate as my business is good, even in today's climate.

And actually I have no regrets on the cameras I use.  For what I do with medium format the contax's work very well.  I'd like a 110 ...I'd like a leaf shutter on a 80 and 45mm but not leaf shutters for everything, so they work.

I can buy what I want tomorrow, but I never think that way, I always like to have that feeling in my stomach that I have to keep pushing forward.

As far as the 6008 I think it's a beautiful camera but would never own one.  In the U.S. they have no presence and were never in rental or easy to find, much less buy.

When I went to medium format I walked in to buy an H series but I can never get my head around that camera.  Some people love it, it sells well, it has an extensive lens line, but I just personally don't like it so I didn't buy.  Probably never will.

You right there is no perfect camera but don't think for a moment that the makers of these things do not go through this and other forums looking for ideas on how to improve their product . . . what buyers want . . . what they don't.

In some small way I believe all of us commenting on cameras may help down the line.

Now in regards to the HY6 or Rollei or AFI or whatever it's called, I like it but there a huge holes in the lens line for autofocus.  

I don't use auto often but when I do it's needed.  Once again I don't want to spell out my business plan on a forum but I work in a lot of genres.  Some a two shot day with huge proudciton, others a 20 shot day on a white cove.

On those 20 shot days autofocus is nice.

In regards to investing, I think there are a lot better returns than just cameras.  Obviously we need them, heck I like new cameras, but 40, 50, or 60k into my studio, or promotion, or lighting can bring a higher return.

Consequently I'm not one to sell something that is still working, i.e. the contax and the phase backs.  You can never buy it again for what you sell it for or at least I can't but then again I'm not big on trading cameras on e-bay or anywhere else.

There are much better ways to spend time.

But to summarize to your statement, I'm good with what I have, until I see something that is miles better or until a client says I must have it.  

Then the "investment" is easy.

But to be clear, I have no absolute loyalty to camera brands, anymore than cars, production vehicles or the chair I sit on.  

I do like and respect many of the people I have met with the camera companies and dealers and my loyalties are much stronger for individuals than a corporate logo, even a small corporation.

Some cameras are fun, or your build a working feel with and those tend to last a long time.  

Others are just tools of the trade.


JR
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Mike W on September 16, 2008, 03:34:44 pm
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No Patrick, you will invest this money in 2 or 3 lenses more!

 

Best regards,
Thierry
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You know, that jedi mind-trick does not work on an internet forum. :-)
Or in real life for that matter.

you *WILL* buy this camera -waves hand-
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 16, 2008, 11:38:19 pm
James,

as usual you are right: there are "holes" in the AF lens line-up, but all planed lenses are now in construction and/or in production stage. Before end of the year these holes should be filled up, mostly.

Yes, AF is a nice-to-have feature for certain situations but there are also many fashion/people photographers who would never use AF. And for those, the large and bright(est) screen of the Hy6 makes manual focus easy and on the spot.

I still wish to remind people, that the Hy6 camera is probably the body accepting the most lenses, being it existing/available ones or easily available from the second-hand market: there are nearly 50 different non-AF, AF and AFD (Schneider and Zeiss) lenses available for this camera platform.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Now in regards to the HY6 or Rollei or AFI or whatever it's called, I like it but there a huge holes in the lens line for autofocus. 

I don't use auto often but when I do it's needed.  Once again I don't want to spell out my business plan on a forum but I work in a lot of genres.  Some a two shot day with huge proudciton, others a 20 shot day on a white cove.

On those 20 shot days autofocus is nice.

JR
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: BJNY on September 17, 2008, 07:11:26 am
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James,

as usual you are right: there are "holes" in the AF lens line-up, but all planed lenses are now in construction and/or in production stage. Before end of the year these holes should be filled up, mostly.

Thierry,

Are there other AF lenses to be announced at Photokina aside from the 35mm Flektogon?
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Mitchell Baum on September 17, 2008, 07:22:02 am
Graham,

I haven't been able to find Rollei lenses here in the US. Could you suggest some sources? In Europe that speak English?

Thanks,

Mitchell
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Gigi on September 17, 2008, 07:41:03 am
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Graham,

I haven't been able to find Rollei lenses here in the US. Could you suggest some sources? In Europe that speak English?

Thanks,

Mitchell
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try Camera West in Monterey.
Ebay, even Ebay (Germany) does pretty well.
Eli Kurland (NYC) used to have - but not so much used anymore.

Geoff
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Graham Mitchell on September 17, 2008, 07:42:14 am
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Graham,

I haven't been able to find Rollei lenses here in the US. Could you suggest some sources? In Europe that speak English?
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In English, the best bet is ebay. Have you tried searching worldwide? There are many people in Europe who speak English too, but they usually place ads in their first language so you will have that small barrier to overcome. In the UK there are quite a few shops which sell used Rollei gear, but the selection per shop is small and hit-and-miss.
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: FrançoisTT on September 17, 2008, 08:29:28 am
About lenses for Hy6,
what does it means : "as long as stock lasts" ???
Are these lenses no longer manufactured ?
Is Zeiss 110mm could be soon replaced by a new AFD model ?
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: guano on September 17, 2008, 09:25:11 am
As regards a UK supplier of Rollei lenses, the name you'll usually hear is:

Robert White (http://www.robertwhite.co.uk)

Otherwise, I second the eBay thing. I've just picked up a used (Mint-) 110mm/f2 for £1000 - a snip given that the 'new' price in the UK is around £3900. Apparently, only 500 of the f2 were ever made (can anyone confirm?), but that aside, I'm happy to have gotten hold of one - beautiful bokeh!

From what I've been told, Zeiss no longer make glass for Rollei/Hy6 in its varying guises, so any of the Zeiss lenses out there are "as long as stock lasts". Again, I'm happy to be corrected on this!

Best wishes all,
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: guano on September 17, 2008, 12:11:19 pm
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Off topic, but is 'guano' any part of your name? That's quite a choice for an anonymous handle.
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It was a nickname I picked up a while back and it stuck. Yes, I know what 'guano' is, but it didn't have anything to do with that wonderful natural fertiliser...
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: Mitchell Baum on September 17, 2008, 01:14:13 pm
Thanks for the responses.

There does seem to be a bit more on Ebay now.

Best,

Mitchell
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: elitegroup on September 17, 2008, 09:22:41 pm
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: ynp on September 18, 2008, 01:20:11 am
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Does one have the option of using a Leaf or Sinar back on the Rolleiflex Hy6 camera? if so this would be a great advantage to the photographer    and if not 

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c213/poata/01_rollei_hy6_a.jpg)
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I have been using my Rollei Hy6 with the eMotion 54lv for some time. The Sinar firmware updater works with the Rolleiflex.
Yevgeny
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 18, 2008, 03:28:43 am
Yes, of course, David: this has been communicated since the beginning, that any brand (Rolleiflex Hy6, Afi, Sinar Hy6) will accept the digital backs supported by the Hy6 from either Leaf or Sinar.

Best regards,
Thierry

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I have been using my Rollei Hy6 with the eMotion 54lv for some time. The Sinar firmware updater works with the Rolleiflex.
Yevgeny
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 18, 2008, 03:30:18 am
"as long as stock lasts" means as long as Sinar has still in their stock. I can't say if those lenses are discontinued, but Sinar will not longer carry and sell them.

Best regards,
Thierry

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About lenses for Hy6,
what does it means : "as long as stock lasts" ???
Are these lenses no longer manufactured ?
Is Zeiss 110mm could be soon replaced by a new AFD model ?
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: samuel_js on September 18, 2008, 04:49:20 pm
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"as long as stock lasts" means as long as Sinar has still in their stock. I can't say if those lenses are discontinued, but Sinar will not longer carry and sell them.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Thierry,
Will sinar offer uppgrade paths or trade in from non sinar digital backs?

Thanks
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: James R Russell on September 18, 2008, 05:34:33 pm
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"as long as stock lasts" means as long as Sinar has still in their stock. I can't say if those lenses are discontinued, but Sinar will not longer carry and sell them.

Best regards,
Thierry
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What does tthat mean, " I can't say if those lenses are discontinued, but Sinar will not longer carry and sell them."

Are these lenses going to conitnue to be sold by anyone or is it all Schneider for new lenses for the Hy6?

JR
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 19, 2008, 12:43:02 am
All those Rolleiflex lenses (and accessories) are sold by the Rolleiflex distributors as well, worldwide. I expect this to continue that way. I have no information of lenses being discontinued, except for the 120 Macro and which will be replaced by the new 120 Macro.

Best regards,
Thierry

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What does tthat mean, " I can't say if those lenses are discontinued, but Sinar will not longer carry and sell them."

Are these lenses going to conitnue to be sold by anyone or is it all Schneider for new lenses for the Hy6?

JR
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 19, 2008, 12:45:54 am
hi Sam,

we continuously have upgrade and trade-in possibilities, updated every 3 months. We will inform our distributors about the latest upgrades/trade-ins for the last Q within a few days.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry,
Will sinar offer uppgrade paths or trade in from non sinar digital backs?

Thanks
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: James R Russell on September 19, 2008, 01:27:31 am
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All those Rolleiflex lenses (and accessories) are sold by the Rolleiflex distributors as well, worldwide. I expect this to continue that way. I have no information of lenses being discontinued, except for the 120 Macro and which will be replaced by the new 120 Macro.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Thanks

JR
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: samuel_js on September 20, 2008, 11:37:16 am
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hi Sam,

we continuously have upgrade and trade-in possibilities, updated every 3 months. We will inform our distributors about the latest upgrades/trade-ins for the last Q within a few days.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Thanks Thierry,
About a week ago I was almost convinced tha the Phase camera was the way to go. Now it looks like it will be a Sinar (depending on how Leaf price thir new backs).

Two questions:

- ISO 200-800: Is that correct? Not good for landscapes. (or the ISO 800 is totally clean)

- Are these prices recommended including taxes? Or will each country add their taxes on these prices?

Thanks
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on September 20, 2008, 05:48:25 pm
Dear Samuel,

- ISO settings will be 100 to 800. It has been confirmed in our latest info and brochure.

- Prices are always without taxes, each country having its tax system.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thanks Thierry,
About a week ago I was almost convinced tha the Phase camera was the way to go. Now it looks like it will be a Sinar (depending on how Leaf price thir new backs).

Two questions:

- ISO 200-800: Is that correct? Not good for landscapes. (or the ISO 800 is totally clean)

- Are these prices recommended including taxes? Or will each country add their taxes on these prices?

Thanks
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Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: samuel_js on September 21, 2008, 03:41:58 am
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Dear Samuel,

- ISO settings will be 100 to 800. It has been confirmed in our latest info and brochure.

- Prices are always without taxes, each country having its tax system.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Great, thanks.
Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: mosko on October 17, 2008, 01:42:51 pm
Hi Theirry,

  Am I to assume that the eSprit 65LV back sold separately is the same back as the Hy6 s65r without the ratating adaptor?  Also will the shooting speed and onboard
processing speeds be the same for the back used with cameras other than the Hy6?

  Thanks!

Karen


Title: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices
Post by: thsinar on October 17, 2008, 09:39:43 pm
Dear Karen,

Yes, that is right: the Sinarback eSprit 65 is the same back as the one in the Sinar Hy6 s65r camera system, w/o revolving adapter.

All features of this back will be exactly the same (on-board processing, speed, etc ...), regardless of the camera platform used.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Hi Theirry,

  Am I to assume that the eSprit 65LV back sold separately is the same back as the Hy6 s65r without the ratating adaptor?  Also will the shooting speed and onboard
processing speeds be the same for the back used with cameras other than the Hy6?

  Thanks!

Karen