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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: yaya on September 09, 2008, 07:39:53 am
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Hello everyone,
A press release has gone out this morning (EU time) along with a set of PDFs and product shots on our website (http://www.leaf-photography.com).
Everyone have already heard about the new Leaf 56MP solutions in the shape of the AFi-10 and the Aptus 10. However with Photokina only 2 weeks away, we have decided to spill some more beans about the exciting new line of Leaf products:
I thought I'll give you all a quick rundown of this new and exciting line of products:
Flexibility: Leaf is listening
An all new AFi-II and Aptus-II range, based on 28,33 and 56MP sensors, this new range is offering the most flexible tool set with some unique and unbeatable features:
Leaf Verto technology: the Leaf AFi-II 7 and the Leaf AFi-II 10 have an internally rotating sensor
New 3.5” LCD touch screen: All AFi-II and Aptus-II models offer a brighter screen with more contrast to allow for better viewing both indoors and outdoors
Tilt screen: On the AFi-II 7 and AFi-II 10, you can tilt the screen upwards (up to 90º), for easier and better viewing in the studio or outside
The new screen is now working also when tethered on AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II, allowing for image viewing, focus check, histogram, image info and some basic controls.
Leaf SensorFlex technology: On the AFi-II 10 and Aptus-II 10 you can now choose between several pre-defined crops, enabling you to save space and speed up your work in cases where not all 56MP are required, by increasing capture rate and reducing the raw file size and pixel count.
Seamless move between tethered and portable modes: As long as you have a CF card in the camera, you can pull the FW800 cable at anytime and continue to shoot
New cable release for the AFi and AFi-II that is connected to the imaging module
iPhone and iPod Touch compatibility: A new Leaf software application will allow you to use your iPhone or iPod touch for viewing your images and controlling your imaging module while tethered. This new Leaf software will be available for download via iTunes and will be demonstrated at Photokina.
New Leaf Capture 11.2
Leaf AFi-II bi-directional controls: dynamic exposure meter, exposure and metering modes, aperture and shutter speed, exposure compensation, flash sync and mirror controls
Schneider electronic shutter control In addition to the already supported Rollei e-Shutter.
Colour Live View on AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II: You can now choose to work in either colour or B&W and we’ve added a Gray balance tool as well as a Brightness slider control.
Improved Compare view: Panning and Zooming can now be done simultaneously on multiple images
Software registration: you can now receive a notification whenever a new version of software/ firmware is made available for your camera
Availability: The new AFi-II 6, 7 and Aptus-II 6,7 will be available for delivery at Photokina. The AFi-II 10 will start shipping at the end of Q4 and the Aptus-II 10 is expected in early Q1/2009
All of this (and more) is going to be shown at Photokina, starting Sept 23rd. I'm hoping to see some of you there.
Yair
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Yair,
Very interesting news!
About LC 11.2, any improvements in tone curve or fill light, recovery etc? LC already interpret my Aptus 65 files better than any software, but so far seem aimed at studio where light can be controlled. For my landscape and outdoor photo has seemed difficult to use. Any news on more controls?
Much thanks for info!
Regards
Anders
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Leaf Verto technology: the Leaf AFi-II 7
Sold!! You gotta love a Leaf!!!
David
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The AFi5 (22mp) would be discontinued ?
The new Leaf large chip entry-level would be the AFi-II 7 (or Aptus II-7) ?
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The AFi5 (22mp) would be discontinued ?
The new Leaf large chip entry-level would be the AFi-II 7 (or Aptus II-7) ?
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Yes and no. The 22MP Aptus backs will still be available as refurbished, entry level products.
Yair
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Any word on pricing of the AFI-II 6 and 7?
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what cameras?
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Any word on pricing of the AFI-II 6 and 7?
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Within a week we'll have all the prices for these new products, including trade-in paths.
In general I would say that they are similar to the current prices or a bit lower.
BTW the full press release is available [a href=\"http://www.leaf-photography.com/news/newleafproducts]here[/url]
Yair
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Usability mprovements, finally. Now, how good is the hi-iso ?
Edmund
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In general I would say that they are similar to the current prices or a bit lower.
Yair
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A bit lower? Now that is a step in the right direction and from the looks of it in another direction than some of the competition. Congratulations on the new products. Leaf is still very much on my radar (even if I have just invested in another new back).
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Within a week we'll have all the prices for these new products, including trade-in paths.
Don't forget the new product warranties.
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Yair,
A comment and a couple of questions:
I find the 56Mpxl high resolution, revolving capability and tilting screen of the AFi-II 10 back really appealing.
AFi-II refers only to the back? ie. the camera body is identical to the AFi camera body available today? (I was a bit confused by this terminology--since AFi previously referred to the camera body, I wasn't sure if the back was "coupled" with a special version of the AFi camera.)
1) I have a Sinar Hy6 -- will the AFi-II 10 work on my camera body?
2) When you announce prices will you have competitive upgrade pricing (from a Sinar eMotion 75LV?)
Thanks,
Brad
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I have the same question regarding the difference between the bodies of the afi and the afi II. I see that you can now display the histogram in the lcd display. Is this just a firmware change? Are there any new mechanical or electronic changes to the body of the afi II system? It sounds like most of the new features are in the digital back.
Thanks,
Rich
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To be clear, there are no physical/ mechanical changes to the body itself, only to the imaging module.
However since the AFi and the AFi II are sold mostly as camera systems, we present them as different products.
The histogram on the grip display is a result of the imaging module being able to send this info to the camera body.
One will be able to purchase the AFi-II imaging module and to use it on a Sinar/ Rolleiflex Hy6 with the only difference being a different type of battery that is used in the grip.
There are going to be trade-in paths available for users of Leaf backs as well as other makes. These will be communicated through our dealer network as soon as they are available.
Yair
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Hello Yair.
Exciting times for you.
Can I ask you about the Live View?
I was reading your press release, where it mentions a new Colour Live View while shooting tethered.
Is this colour live view on the computer screen, or just on the digital back screen?
If it is on the computer screen, do you still need a dongle or does LC 11.2 do away with the need for an expensive dongle.... or is this only for the new backs and not for my "old" Aptus 22?
thanks.
Andrew
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Hello Yair.
Exciting times for you.
Can I ask you about the Live View?
I was reading your press release, where it mentions a new Colour Live View while shooting tethered.
Is this colour live view on the computer screen, or just on the digital back screen?
If it is on the computer screen, do you still need a dongle or does LC 11.2 do away with the need for an expensive dongle.... or is this only for the new backs and not for my "old" Aptus 22?
thanks.
Andrew
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Thanks Andrew, yes it is exciting and you should see my inbox exploding, explains why I'm here at 10pm:-)
Live View is still only possible when tethered to a computer. To have this feature on the back requires a move to a different sensor technology which does not exist at MF sizes.
For your Aptus 22 you will still have to use the dongle.
Yair
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Yair,
Can the ISO setting now be adjusted via the camera controls in addition to the digital back menu? I know in the earlier version, the camera ISO setting could only control ISO for film backs only.
Thanks,
Rich
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So the sensor is rotating ?
I assume it will take at least a year to find out if that solution provides proper sharpness, let alone reliability.
Using mainly an LF camera, I'm not really exited.
56x36 : Leaf is listening, indeed ! To whom ? Not much gained in terms of real-life resolution.
Listen to that: stop charging a silly amount, if anything, for the life view dongle.
iPhone and iPod compatibility - that the best you can do for remote viewing ?
Download the required app via iTunes - so now a 30k DB has turned into just another gadget ?
Also, the leaf-photography website doesn't work properly on Safari; to all Mac users, Firefox is working.
I'm really questioning my decision to go the Leaf way....
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Tom please see my comment below;
So the sensor is rotating ?
I assume it will take at least a year to find out if that solution provides proper sharpness, let alone reliability.
Using mainly an LF camera, I'm not really exited.
We've had rotating sensors in thousands of Leaf Volare/ Cantare backs since 1998 working mostly on LF cameras and none had sharpness or reliability issues related to the mechanism.
This feature along with the tilting screen were definitely designed with LF use in mind. You may change your opinion after seeing it in real.
56x36 : Leaf is listening, indeed ! To whom ? Not much gained in terms of real-life resolution.
Depends on what you consider as "real life resolution"...for example a 8X11 crop (done on the fly) will give you approx. 48MP, this is 15MP more compared to what you can get from the 33MP backs.
Listen to that: stop charging a silly amount, if anything, for the life view dongle.
The AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II do not require a dongle. The dongle for the current models can be had for 500 EUR, which is not an unreasonable price IMO.
iPhone and iPod compatibility - that the best you can do for remote viewing ?
Download the required app via iTunes - so now a 30k DB has turned into just another gadget ?
I would hold judgement until seeing this solution in action, I think you will be surprised...Also the iPhone is now being heavily marketed for professional corporate use, all handled by Apple's systems.
Also, the leaf-photography website doesn't work properly on Safari; to all Mac users, Firefox is working.
That's odd, 90 percent of our customers and almost 100 percent of our dealers and employees (myself included) use Macs and Safari and we do not get many complaints about the website's compatibility. However I will ask our web team to contact you so they can get more info about the problems you are having.
Hope this helps, yair
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So the sensor is rotating ?
I assume it will take at least a year to find out if that solution provides proper sharpness, let alone reliability.
Using mainly an LF camera, I'm not really exited.
56x36 : Leaf is listening, indeed ! To whom ? Not much gained in terms of real-life resolution.
Listen to that: stop charging a silly amount, if anything, for the life view dongle.
iPhone and iPod compatibility - that the best you can do for remote viewing ?
Download the required app via iTunes - so now a 30k DB has turned into just another gadget ?
Also, the leaf-photography website doesn't work properly on Safari; to all Mac users, Firefox is working.
I'm really questioning my decision to go the Leaf way....
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That's why I choose Phase one in the end. Ok another factor is that I don't like leaf shutter lenses and really don't need them.
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We know the size of the LCD screen, but how many pixels does it have?
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Fritzer,
Not sure what kind of shooting you're doing. But the iTouch compatibility if it works well is a god send. Hand the client the iTouch and they're not hovering over your shoulder or the digital techs shoulder will be amazing. Not having to set up a third monitor on a stand away from the machine for them to view so they are out of the way will be great.
I just used an Aptus with the new LC 11 yesterday and worked with out a hitch all day. 10 hours of shooting and not a hitch.
REAL LIFE resolution? Do you need to shoot microscopic photography of the pimples on your ass and billboard it on the side of the empire state building?
Just downloaded LC 11 through Safari and all works fine here.
The current state of backs are fine! Some small little things here and there. But overall they are working great. Better high iso noise ration would be great! Rock stable software, almost there with Leaf and Phase.
They're are some really miserable people in this world. Go out and SHOOT!
I could care less about any of these companies. Just give me a product that works. They are busting their butts off to get the stuff out there and get it working. Keeping up with technology, fluctuating economies, and updating software to work with various operating softwares and firmware bugs from OS's.
You get what you pay for!
If you can't afford it or feel like just digging at companies. GET OFF THIS BOARD!
Congrats YaYa! I look forward to seeing what comes out from you, phase, sinar and hasselblad. Leaf's new products look promising!
JT
So the sensor is rotating ?
I assume it will take at least a year to find out if that solution provides proper sharpness, let alone reliability.
Using mainly an LF camera, I'm not really exited.
56x36 : Leaf is listening, indeed ! To whom ? Not much gained in terms of real-life resolution.
Listen to that: stop charging a silly amount, if anything, for the life view dongle.
iPhone and iPod compatibility - that the best you can do for remote viewing ?
Download the required app via iTunes - so now a 30k DB has turned into just another gadget ?
Also, the leaf-photography website doesn't work properly on Safari; to all Mac users, Firefox is working.
I'm really questioning my decision to go the Leaf way....
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=220455\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
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Hello everyone,
A press release has gone out this morning (EU time) along with a set of PDFs and product shots on our website (http://www.leaf-photography.com).
Everyone have already heard about the new Leaf 56MP solutions in the shape of the AFi-10 and the Aptus 10. However with Photokina only 2 weeks away, we have decided to spill some more beans about the exciting new line of Leaf products:
I thought I'll give you all a quick rundown of this new and exciting line of products:
Flexibility: Leaf is listening
An all new AFi-II and Aptus-II range, based on 28,33 and 56MP sensors, this new range is offering the most flexible tool set with some unique and unbeatable features:
Leaf Verto technology: the Leaf AFi-II 7 and the Leaf AFi-II 10 have an internally rotating sensor
New 3.5” LCD touch screen: All AFi-II and Aptus-II models offer a brighter screen with more contrast to allow for better viewing both indoors and outdoors
Tilt screen: On the AFi-II 7 and AFi-II 10, you can tilt the screen upwards (up to 90º), for easier and better viewing in the studio or outside
The new screen is now working also when tethered on AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II, allowing for image viewing, focus check, histogram, image info and some basic controls.
Leaf SensorFlex technology: On the AFi-II 10 and Aptus-II 10 you can now choose between several pre-defined crops, enabling you to save space and speed up your work in cases where not all 56MP are required, by increasing capture rate and reducing the raw file size and pixel count.
Seamless move between tethered and portable modes: As long as you have a CF card in the camera, you can pull the FW800 cable at anytime and continue to shoot
New cable release for the AFi and AFi-II that is connected to the imaging module
iPhone and iPod Touch compatibility: A new Leaf software application will allow you to use your iPhone or iPod touch for viewing your images and controlling your imaging module while tethered. This new Leaf software will be available for download via iTunes and will be demonstrated at Photokina.
New Leaf Capture 11.2
Leaf AFi-II bi-directional controls: dynamic exposure meter, exposure and metering modes, aperture and shutter speed, exposure compensation, flash sync and mirror controls
Schneider electronic shutter control In addition to the already supported Rollei e-Shutter.
Colour Live View on AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II: You can now choose to work in either colour or B&W and we’ve added a Gray balance tool as well as a Brightness slider control.
Improved Compare view: Panning and Zooming can now be done simultaneously on multiple images
Software registration: you can now receive a notification whenever a new version of software/ firmware is made available for your camera
Availability: The new AFi-II 6, 7 and Aptus-II 6,7 will be available for delivery at Photokina. The AFi-II 10 will start shipping at the end of Q4 and the Aptus-II 10 is expected in early Q1/2009
All of this (and more) is going to be shown at Photokina, starting Sept 23rd. I'm hoping to see some of you there.
Yair
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Hello Yair,
Are your able to tell us what the maximum Exposure Time that the new Aptus-II Backs are capable of? I do not find this information listed in any of the new literature.
Are they still limited to a maximum of 32 seconds?
Thank you for all your help with Leaf product information on this Forum.
Joe Bossuyt
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So in leaf 11.2 will the older aptus backs be able to show a preview at the same time they are tethered?
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Yair,
Very interesting news!
About LC 11.2, any improvements in tone curve or fill light, recovery etc? LC already interpret my Aptus 65 files better than any software, but so far seem aimed at studio where light can be controlled. For my landscape and outdoor photo has seemed difficult to use. Any news on more controls?
Much thanks for info!
Regards
Anders
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Yair or anyone,
Any reply to my question, or did I miss it among all posts...???
Thanks
Regards
Anders
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Joe,
The 56MP backs are capable of 60 seconds and we are looking for ways to implement this successfully in the 28MP and 33MP versions.
Anders,
Sorry it was me that missed your first post. There is no change in how to tone curve works in 11.2 compared to current versions.
T-1000,
The LCD's resolution is 320X240
Kyle,
The screen works when tethered only on AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II models, but not on Aptus and Aptus S
Rich,
This is planned for a later firmware update, no timeframe for this as yet
BR
Yair
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Whinge, whinge, whinge
I'm really questioning my decision to go the Leaf way....
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Jesus, get a grip.
And some perspective - How were you shooting 10 years ago, huh?
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Yair,
Does the support of the schneider electronic shutter depend on the model of the back being used or does it apply to any Leaf back?
thanks, David
.....Schneider electronic shutter control In addition to the already supported Rollei e-Shutter....
Yair
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The LCD's resolution is 320X240
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Yair, Is this the same resolution that's always been sent to the LCD? Would 320x240 be sent to the iphone as well? Would those same number of pixels look any better on the iphone screen?
I've seen your Leaf ads in PDN, and the screen image in those ads always look great. It looks like that in real life, yes?
When I shoot a picture with my iPhone, the picture looks amazing on the screen. Your Leaf preview would equal that quality?
Thank you!
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(320x240) x 3 colors = 230.400 pixels
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Yair, Is this the same resolution that's always been sent to the LCD? Would 320x240 be sent to the iphone as well? Would those same number of pixels look any better on the iphone screen?
I've seen your Leaf ads in PDN, and the screen image in those ads always look great. It looks like that in real life, yes?
When I shoot a picture with my iPhone, the picture looks amazing on the screen. Your Leaf preview would equal that quality?
Thank you!
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The preview for the iPhone is generated by the Mac specifically for the iPhone's screen so resolution, contrast and even colour profiling are all done for this with a very impressive image quality and since it is coming from a 40K back it looks better than the iPhone's own camera:-)
Yair
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Yair,
Please clarify the screen resolution for me, it's not adding up as the numbers are presented. The Aptus has a screen with 211,680 pixels. I can't find what those actual horizontal and vertical pixels are. But if the new Aptus-II and AFi-II screens have 320x240, that only equals 76,800.
I'm trying to figure out how much better the new version is, but things don't add up correctly.
Added: The main thing I like least about the Aptus screen is that it looks 'crunchy' pixel-wise for a lack of a better word. If the new screens are brighter and have more contrast, that is a huge plus but is the same crunchiness still there?
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it's a 230K screen and the answer for how much better is ALLOT better. When you see it next to your screen you will have a better idea, trust me
Yair
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Yair, Is this the same resolution that's always been sent to the LCD? Would 320x240 be sent to the iphone as well? Would those same number of pixels look any better on the iphone screen?
I've seen your Leaf ads in PDN, and the screen image in those ads always look great. It looks like that in real life, yes?
When I shoot a picture with my iPhone, the picture looks amazing on the screen. Your Leaf preview would equal that quality?
Thank you!
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I wonder the same also. most medium format previews are like the old cell phone with big noise and crunch.
not like the canon or nikon who do in camera processes of jpegs and previews.
my aptus has a lot of the crunch. at first customers say great what a big view but then they start asking if the final will look like that.
do the new leafs do in camera process like the new sinars and like the canons or do they have the crunch look.
thank you.
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The preview for the iPhone is generated by the Mac specifically for the iPhone's screen so resolution, contrast and even colour profiling are all done for this with a very impressive image quality and since it is coming from a 40K back it looks better than the iPhone's own camera:-)
Yair
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I do not understand. does not the image go from the camera to the iphone.
does the iphone work only if the camera is first on a tether to the computer.
is the iphone system work only with a computer.
you say the new camera screen is better. does it look like the iphone image.
thank you.
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I do not understand. does not the image go from the camera to the iphone.
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I wonder the same thing -- the whole goal for the iphone preview is so that you can shoot on location much more easily, and without dragging around a laptop.
Can you shoot from the back directly to the iphone, without any computer present?
If I'm going to drag around a laptop on location, why would I want to see the image on an iphone? I'd rather show the client the preview on a 17" Macbook Pro than an iphone.
Thanks.
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What I do like with Leaf is that they aren't promising anything they can't deliver in a very short amount of time. These announcements come with release dates. That can't be said for Phase who several years ago was praised for a product timeline with wireless and CO V4 Pro both which are vapor for sometime.
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Ahummm.... I only want to say LC10 or LC for Windows...
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Ahummm.... I only want to say LC10 or LC for Windows...
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Where can we get some information on what these new cameras are going to cost???
I am a Phase One guy but am interested in the new leaf systems...:+}
Where can I get some idea of what it would cost to move over to leaf if needed or wanted too?
Thanks for any help
Snook
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Yair, I was on the brink of buying an Ipaq to view images shooting in the field with my Aptus 17. Would my back work with your new software and Ipod touch / Iphone or is it just the AF cameras & backs that are supported? Thanks for your guidance, C
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Where can we get some information on what these new cameras are going to cost???
I am a Phase One guy but am interested in the new leaf systems...:+}
Where can I get some idea of what it would cost to move over to leaf if needed or wanted too?
Thanks for any help
Snook
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SNOOK, Check the earlier post by Yair...
QUOTE - Within a week we'll have all the prices for these new products, including trade-in paths.
In general I would say that they are similar to the current prices or a bit lower.
BTW the full press release is available here
Yair
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re iPhone:
The new iPhone software works only when the Leaf back (Valeo, Aptus, Aptus S, Aptus-II, AFi and AFi-II) is tethered to a Mac.
The iPhone/ iPod Touch connects to the Mac via WiFi - internet, meaning the iPhone doesn't have to be physically near the Mac...
Possible applications:
1. You are shooting in a studio in Paris while your client is in a meeting in NY, where they can watch the images as you shoot.
2. You are shooting a car's interior with your ALPA stuck inside in an awkward position. The client/ tech and the rest of the gang are all hanging around the 30" while you need to compose and focus on the instruments panel. Now the iPhone comes out, with Live View running on it, allowing you to frame and focus, in colour, on a 4" beautiful screen
There are more but you can get the drift.
To have Wi-Fi built in the digital back or as an accessory is a big and complicated project, as some of our fellow makers would tell you.
We do have Bluetooth that works with iPaq's however the iPhone's Bluetooth module at the moment is limited to headsets and handsfree devices and it cannot handle heavier use.
re preview quality on the back's LCD: I think the best advice would be to wait another 2 weeks, after which everyone will be able to see the improvement in their own eyes.
Yair
PS we will have an FAQ file available on our website shortly covering everything regarding the new products. I will post a link once it is up
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I apologize for the tone, it was hardly constructive. I appreaciate your reply.
I am disappointed, though.
We've had rotating sensors in thousands of Leaf Volare/ Cantare backs since 1998 working mostly on LF cameras and none had sharpness or reliability issues related to the mechanism.
This feature along with the tilting screen were definitely designed with LF use in mind. You may change your opinion after seeing it in real.
My bad, i wasn't aware of that. Sounded like an all-new feature to me.
Depends on what you consider as "real life resolution"...for example a 8X11 crop (done on the fly) will give you approx. 48MP, this is 15MP more compared to what you can get from the 33MP backs.
It is still a format I can not use for my work, hence there is a lot of space wasted.
I know other photographers have other needs, and there is already a thread on diffrent crops.
The AFi, AFi-II and Aptus-II do not require a dongle. The dongle for the current models can be had for 500 EUR, which is not an unreasonable price IMO.
It's good to hear the new Aptus II back has the feature enabled without having to pay for it.
Which makes it even more questionable that it wasn't included in the first place.
I tried it, my dealer gave me a dongle to try, and I don't think it is worth any extra money.
Given all the additional stuff that can come with a DB purchase, free MBP and whatnot, it just seems bizzare to charge for it.
I would hold judgement until seeing this solution in action, I think you will be surprised...Also the iPhone is now being heavily marketed for professional corporate use, all handled by Apple's systems.
I know I'm expecting too much, as it sems, but an iPhone or iPod doesn't have the screen size for remote viewing, simple as that.
You can't satisfy a client by handing him an iPhone to watch images, they will still hang around at your workstation.
Neither can a photographer judge an image on such a thing.
It just appears that , even though the technology is available, wireless shooting to/viewing on a device with a decent, small (8-10") monitor is not doable. Much less providing one.
That's odd, 90 percent of our customers and almost 100 percent of our dealers and employees (myself included) use Macs and Safari and we do not get many complaints about the website's compatibility.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=220457\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
It has been an issue for a while; Safari will not allow to whatch the entire page/ scrolling down to view all the content.
That's on three different Macs, OS 10.4.9/10/11 .
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Hi Yair
How are you?
I have two quick questions.
-In regard to the Aptus II 10 mounted onto a Hasselblad H2. Would it be possible to shoot with the sensor adjusted to vertical mode and use the mentioned SensorFlex set to 36X46?
-Would the recycle time be reduced when using SensorFlex?
Many thanks,
Esben
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Hi Yair
How are you?
I have two quick questions.
-In regard to the Aptus II 10 with an Hasselblad H mount. Would it be possible to shoot with the sensor adjusted to vertical mode and use the mentioned SensorFlex set to 36X46?
-Would the recycle time be reduced when using SensorFlex?
Many thanks,
Esben
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I'm good thanks, lots to do with little time left until Photokina:-)
The Aptus II doesn't have a rotating sensor so that answers your first question.
For the second question, Yes, cropping means smaller files and less data to crunch.
Hope this helps
Yair
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re iPhone:
The new iPhone software works only when the Leaf back (Valeo, Aptus, Aptus S, Aptus-II, AFi and AFi-II) is tethered to a Mac.
The iPhone/ iPod Touch connects to the Mac via WiFi - internet, meaning the iPhone doesn't have to be physically near the Mac...
Possible applications:
1. You are shooting in a studio in Paris while your client is in a meeting in NY, where they can watch the images as you shoot.
2. You are shooting a car's interior with your ALPA stuck inside in an awkward position. The client/ tech and the rest of the gang are all hanging around the 30" while you need to compose and focus on the instruments panel. Now the iPhone comes out, with Live View running on it, allowing you to frame and focus, in colour, on a 4" beautiful screen
There are more but you can get the drift.
To have Wi-Fi built in the digital back or as an accessory is a big and complicated project, as some of our fellow makers would tell you.
We do have Bluetooth that works with iPaq's however the iPhone's Bluetooth module at the moment is limited to headsets and handsfree devices and it cannot handle heavier use.
re preview quality on the back's LCD: I think the best advice would be to wait another 2 weeks, after which everyone will be able to see the improvement in their own eyes.
Yair
PS we will have an FAQ file available on our website shortly covering everything regarding the new products. I will post a link once it is up
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I don't like to be cynical, but, I'll believe that when I see it.
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re iPhone:
The new iPhone software works only when the Leaf back (Valeo, Aptus, Aptus S, Aptus-II, AFi and AFi-II) is tethered to a Mac.
The iPhone/ iPod Touch connects to the Mac via WiFi - internet, meaning the iPhone doesn't have to be physically near the Mac...
Possible applications:
1. You are shooting in a studio in Paris while your client is in a meeting in NY, where they can watch the images as you shoot.
2. You are shooting a car's interior with your ALPA stuck inside in an awkward position. The client/ tech and the rest of the gang are all hanging around the 30" while you need to compose and focus on the instruments panel. Now the iPhone comes out, with Live View running on it, allowing you to frame and focus, in colour, on a 4" beautiful screen
There are more but you can get the drift.
To have Wi-Fi built in the digital back or as an accessory is a big and complicated project, as some of our fellow makers would tell you.
We do have Bluetooth that works with iPaq's however the iPhone's Bluetooth module at the moment is limited to headsets and handsfree devices and it cannot handle heavier use.
re preview quality on the back's LCD: I think the best advice would be to wait another 2 weeks, after which everyone will be able to see the improvement in their own eyes.
Yair
PS we will have an FAQ file available on our website shortly covering everything regarding the new products. I will post a link once it is up
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is it easy to set up?
getting the canon wifi to work is beyond me, i dont think we should have to be network experts to shoot photographs!
paul
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My guess is that it will be a dedicated Leaf version with this concept:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=27547 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27547)
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Definitely, 100% not....
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is it easy to set up?
getting the canon wifi to work is beyond me, i dont think we should have to be network experts to shoot photographs!
paul
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As easy as setting your Laptop to run on your studio's Wi-Fi network or your Bluetooth in-car handsfree to recognise your mobile phone. You only set it up once.
Yair
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1. You are shooting in a studio in Paris while your client is in a meeting in NY, where they can watch the images as you shoot.
You can already let anyone remotely view your full Mac/PC screen view regardless of the photo software you're running, which would be much more useful as the view is full size on another PC and no-one needs to have an iPhone. Sorry, I think the iPhone has a definite 'cool' factor but I still can't think of a practical use for it.
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Concept was the key word here. If Leaf's version requires a laptop (check), wifi from laptop (check), iPhone (check), viewing images on iPhone (check) then this at least shows how something will magically appear on the iPhone, but will be a dedicated Leaf app.
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Understood but I think your analogy is a bit simplistic. VNC is a desktop sharing facility that shows on the iPhone whatever is shown on your Mac's screen. So a 2506 pixels preview gets squeezed onto a much smaller screen and in order to use the various app tool you have to zoom and pan quite a lot.
The Leaf software produces images that are specifically optimised for the spec of the iPhone's screen and the same goes for the controls on it - no zooming or panning required.
Hope this is clear
yair
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I think manufacturers should think with their heads instead of listening to what the diva photogs want for their setups.
Why would I give my clients an iPhone if I need to theter anyway? Their first reaction will be "nice little thing but I prefer the big screen, thanks".
The iPhone is cool (I have one) but just the idea of giving it to a client to see the images..... ridiculous.
Just think about how many times you have to clean off the fingerprints (iphones love fingerprints). And how many times people will drop it because there's not a single rubber part on it. It's only design... And of course, they'll always accidentally press the home button or touch the screen and go to the main menu or other places, and then the need to restart the software, connection, etc....
Anyway....
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I look forward to seeing it in action. Then people can figure out how best to implement it than bitching.
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Exactly!
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Yaya,
I forget, does the A II 10 have micro-lenses? Also, what are the SensorFlex crops of the A II 10.
Snook,
The MAP price of the AFi II 10 maybe the same price as the AFi 10 (that never launched). Perhaps $39,995. With any luck, the MAP price of an AFi II 7 maybe $35,995. The same price as a AFi 7 now. But of course, these prices could be allot less.
David
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As easy as setting your Laptop to run on your studio's Wi-Fi network or your Bluetooth in-car handsfree to recognise your mobile phone. You only set it up once.
Yair
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I think a lot of this sounds interesting but as everyone says it really doesn't matter until we see it during an actual production.
I can think of a few ways 3 or 4 ipod touches around a studio might be a good idea and not just for the wow factor.
Not every art director spends every second glued in front of the computer station, in fact few do.
Every AD, heck everyone multitasks now, whether they are taking phone calls, talking to the client, planning the next production so a device they can sit next to them and thumb though the images is a good idea. Once again it depends on how easy it works and if it's just a flip through system like photos application or it takes a learning curve.
Now for location, if it didn't require a computer i can see a great deal of value in this. A lot of the time I just want to be free from the computer and the tether. No matter how mobile the computer is you do begin to feel tied down.
When I shoot untethered it's a drag to constantly download cards for people to see or have a few people huddled around the camera when we flip though images.
And then there are those gigs where nobody wants to see a huge image on the screen when you shoot. Sometimes the AD doesn't want the interference, sometimes shooting a celeb or a sensitive subject with a 24" preivew can cause too much angst.
It's a shame that the ipod thing has to go through the tethered computer to get it into the ipod, but ....maybe someday.
As far as sending images in real time to a remote location, I don't know about that. I subscribed to a system for a year that let us do that very easily where you just shot and a hot folder that puts them on an html site and the client remotely got a constant refresh.
I paid for a year of service and we never really used it. It worked, it's just nobody wanted it. AD's don't want to work a job from afar and for the times that they want to send some images to their client's office, they first wanted to cull them down first.
Also when I would mention this system everyone said no, they don't want to try to art direct from 1,000 miles away or let anyone know that it's possible and I agree for a lot of reasons.
For some retail gigs I can see it and of course everyone works differently.
The 2:3 proportion kind of threw me at first. We all shoot a lot more horizontal than we used to, but I still shoot a lot of vertical and 2:3 just breaks my brains. For the Canons I have those black masks installed and it works well, until I go horizontal and then I have to somewhat guess, which is easier than it seems given the lcd on the Canons is quite good.
In ways though maybe the 2:3 thing will make sense and work ok. I still wonder if the proportion of the sensor is a technical decision or a contractural one with Dalsa.
The rotating sensor . . . yea ok, though it sure seems like a lot of engineering work to do that rather than just make a back that physicallly rotates, but as long as it's realiable it is a solution.
To me the best annoucement of the Leaf and the Sinar is that Rollei camera. From the brief moments I've held it I like it. Theirry was kind enough to send me lens prices and they stopped me dead in my tracks as I assume they must make them out of gold, silver, or kryptonite. Regardless at those prices they better come in either a red or blue box, though if the camera is a 10 year camera then the investment is not out of reach, just as long as you keep telling yourself . . . 10 years . . . 10 years . . . 10 years.
In black it sure looks a lot better than the H series blad.
Now if they just put a Rollei sticker on the front.
What I am most interested in is higher iso, especially a real clean and detailed 800. Some people want 50, which is fine cause they got that now but I only need 50 iso like once every 2 years but need 800 iso every 6 weeks, so I'd love to see a clean 800 minimum.
Also the real down to earth, working persons question is the software, the stability the ability to put the file into any processor.
Those are things you can only tell under heavy production and deadlines.
JR
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The 2:3 proportion kind of threw me at first. We all shoot a lot more horizontal than we used to, but I still shoot a lot of vertical and 2:3 just breaks my brains.
James,
how do you like the idea of cropping? I think with an 8x11 or 8x10 etched line in the viewfinder screen this would be quite practical. There are so many pixels I would be happy to lose a few if I was shooting people or portrait formats.
With the wide I'd at least be happy I was getting the widest possible field of view from my wide angle lenses.
For architecture and interiors I'd like that wider sensor, but then I'd need to shift and stitch to square up the image. I have to do that already so no problem.
I second you about the 800. I'd like good results from 25 to 800 ASA. That would do me. 800ASA on the Aptus isn't usable except for in dire emergencies.
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James,
how do you like the idea of cropping? I think with an 8x11 or 8x10 etched line in the viewfinder screen this would be quite practical. There are so many pixels I would be happy to lose a few if I was shooting people or portrait formats.
With the wide I'd at least be happy I was getting the widest possible field of view from my wide angle lenses.
For architecture and interiors I'd like that wider sensor, but then I'd need to shift and stitch to square up the image. I have to do that already so no problem.
I second you about the 800. I'd like good results from 25 to 800 ASA. That would do me. 800ASA on the Aptus isn't usable except for in dire emergencies.
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When you all say it is not acceptable at 800 asa except in dire emergency, what emergency are you referring to..
Some kind of personal works where it does not matter that much??
You guys are throwing me here. I would never shoot anything for my clients even close to 800 asa.. I never even shot my 1DsMII over 320 iso for a Job...
Yes I am paranoid and hate seeing noise.. grain was cool, noise is ugly...:+}
Snook
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When you all say it is not acceptable at 800 asa except in dire emergency, what emergency are you referring to..
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LOL - I was thinking exactly the same!
Either you haven't taken the right lighting rig with you, or it's gone tits up - which means re shoot, no?
Either way, 800ISO for a money shoot cannot be a good place to be
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Ahummm.... I only want to say LC10 or LC for Windows...
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leaf capture for windows has been available on the leaf site for download since february.....
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You obviously have not been following this thread or misunderstood what I said as an reaction on somebody elses statement otherwise you would have known why I say this.
Besides that; I find it a bold statement that LC for Windows is available since February as if it is out for ever. Might I remind you it took Leaf several years to finish it as well as LC10. Both projects have repeatedly been promised long before they eventually became available (LC10 even immediately as LC11). Hence my remark on somebody elses remark that Leaf is always keeping its promises in a timely fashion. It took a very long time to get to LC11 and LC for Windows...
I guess most people have very short memories... which is a good thing. Now back to the announcement.
Great news from Leaf! I am sure I will try one the new backs eventually.
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You obviously have not been following this thread or misunderstood what I said as an reaction on somebody elses statement otherwise you would have known why I say this.
Besides that; I find it a bold statement that LC for Windows is available since February as if it is out for ever. Might I remind you it took Leaf several years to finish it as well as LC10. Both projects have repeatedly been promised long before they eventually became available (LC10 even immediately as LC11). Hence my remark on somebody elses remark that Leaf is always keeping its promises in a timely fashion. It took a very long time to get to LC11 and LC for Windows...
I guess most people have very short memories... which is a good thing. Now back to the announcement.
Great news from Leaf! I am sure I will try one the new backs eventually.
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do excuse me for trying to be helpful....and yes i must have misuderstood what you said/meant.... when i wrote lc has been available for download since february, the intent was never to imply that 6 or 7 months was equivalent to for ever: and yes i am painfully aware of how long it took leaf to release lc11......
now that i have received my tongue/keyboard lashing, and have appropriately apologized, i guess i can go back to my corner.
again, my apologies for simply trying to provide some information and in doing so offending you.
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do excuse me for trying to be helpful....and yes i must have misuderstood what you said/meant.... when i wrote lc has been available for download since february, the intent was never to imply that 6 or 7 months was equivalent to for ever: and yes i am painfully aware of how long it took leaf to release lc11......
now that i have received my tongue/keyboard lashing, and have appropriately apologized, i guess i can go back to my corner.
again, my apologies for simply trying to provide some information and in doing so offending you.
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Hahaha, sorry. I might have come over a bit on the harsh side. Didn't mean to be well maybe I did but I could have interpreted your comments differently and responded in a different manner. Please do accept my apologies. You did take the lashing gracefully though
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Hello,
I have a question for Yair.
Why doesn't the new Aptus-II 10 come with a tilt screen as the new AFi-II 10?
As I use a Mamiya RZ with a waist level finder a tilt screen would come in very handy.
Cheers
Simon
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If Leaf would allow the purchase of the AFiII-10 digital back alone,
you could fit it onto the RZ with their adapter plate
and get your tilt screen.
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If Leaf would allow the purchase of the AFiII-10 digital back alone,
you could fit it onto the RZ with their adapter plate
and get your tilt screen.
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Hello BJNY,
But would that back also fit my Mamyia 645AFDII and Sinar P2?
Cheers
Simon
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Theorectically, it would fit the p2, but not the AFD.
However, my guess is Leaf won't sell it by itself without an AFi camera body.
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Theorectically, it would fit the p2, but not the AFD.
However, my guess is Leaf won't sell it by itself without an AFi camera body.
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Hello BJNY,
This is the sort of thing camera manufactures seem to do the really annoys me.
If they can do it to one back why not do it all all the others.
Cheers
Simon
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Simon,
Yair should give you the official answers.
I'm only going on my knowledge of the Hy6/AFi platform.
Billy
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Simon and Billy,
The AFi-II can be ordered as a "back only" and will fit a P2 as will as an RZ via adapters made by Leaf. It won't fit the AFD. The tilting screen and the rotating sensor are two of the differentiators between the Aptus-II and the AFi-II lines.
It is 7am here in Köln and we're off to the messe to finish the setup for the big show tomorrow.
Yair
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Simon and Billy,
The AFi-II can be ordered as a "back only" and will fit a P2 as will as an RZ via adapters made by Leaf. It won't fit the AFD. The tilting screen and the rotating sensor are two of the differentiators between the Aptus-II and the AFi-II lines.
It is 7am here in Köln and we're off to the messe to finish the setup for the big show tomorrow.
Yair
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Totally under stand Yair,
Must be a very busy time for you at the moment mate.
Cheers
Simon