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Equipment & Techniques => Digital Cameras & Shooting Techniques => Topic started by: once2work on July 15, 2008, 11:19:14 am
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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Would they use an old sensor? Hasn't technology come long since the 1DsM2?
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I hate to fuel this speculation/rumor, but damn, I hope it's not the same sensor as the Mark II. I was seriously disappointed in that camera...
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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Well, seeing how the current 5D is actually better than the 1DsMk2 despite it's larger pixel count I hope they aren't using a 4 year old sensor in the thing ... I would seriously doubt it.
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Actually, if they did use a four-year-old sensor in it, I might be kind of pleased. It would mean I wouldn't have to replace my 5D right away.
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If it does have a good 16MP sensor, it might make more sense to buy 2 5Ds at 6300 US instead of 1 1ds3 at 8000. And have enough money left over to take a vacation and use them.
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If it does have a good 16MP sensor, it might make more sense to buy 2 5Ds at 6300 US instead of 1 1ds3 at 8000. And have enough money left over to take a vacation and use them.
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LOL.
I've got a 5D and a 1DSMK3.
Since I got the 1DSMK3 the 5D has been gathering dust - probably never to be used in anger again.
I use the G9 when I want something light weight these days. But usually I feel its worth lugging the 1DSMK3 for what the camera brings to the party.
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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Highly unlikely. The 1ds2 sensor was more expensive to manufacture (had also higher DR than 5d), the 5d2 may have a 16MP sensor, but it will not be a 4yo one... Canon may call it "similar to that one".
But the success of the 5d2 will not lie in the MP. It will have to compete successfully with the Nikon d700. Megapixels will NOT do the trick.
Bernie
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I reckon it would be great if they could offer TWO new 5D variants. One would be the exact same spec 5D body (minus the friggin' direct print button), with the same MP count, but with newer sensor and processing technology (ie. even better high iso, better edge to edge sharpness, and better processing). This could be the 5DII. The other one would have all new bells and whistles like found on the 40D like bigger lcd, live view, sensor cleaning, faster frame rate, and other newer ideas. This one could be the 4D (or whatever). That way, those of us who are satisfied with the current MP count wouldn't have to buy into the higher MP race just to get better sensor performance. I know it's not going to happen, but it would be nice if they could offer one or two cameras that showed improved performance, without having to buy bells and whistles and more megapixels. I guess that gets to the crux of what I am saying. It bugs me that if someone wants a modest upgrade, they are basically forced to purchase a whole lot of stuff with it that they may not actually want.
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LOL.
I've got a 5D and a 1DSMK3.
Since I got the 1DSMK3 the 5D has been gathering dust - probably never to be used in anger again.
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My experience exactly - anyone in the UK want a 5D...
Mike
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It bugs me that if someone wants a modest upgrade, they are basically forced to purchase a whole lot of stuff with it that they may not actually want.
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That's why I recently upgraded from a 30D to a 450D, and am very happy with the choice.
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I have a 5D and 1Ds3. The 1Ds is used most often but the 5D still gets out a lot - I pick it up when I want a smaller camera, often with a 50mm f1.4 lens attached. Yes I know its not small, but size is relative!
It is easy to dismiss an "old" camera like the 5D. It is still ahead of many other DSLRs and the image quality is just superb. Even though a new 5D may be sometime close, the original and much loved 5D is still a great camera - any replacement will have to be quite special!
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It's a real dilemma for Canon, as well as consumers, now that Nikon have produced a more affordable D3 in the form of a D700.
I don't believe a 16mp 5D upgrade can compete on the basis of a mere 30% increase in pixel count, but Canon have set a precedent for such incremental increases in DSLR pixel count; 6mp tp 8mp; 8mp to 10mp; 10mp to 12mp etc.
By the end of the year, the upgrade to the 5D is likely to be squashed between the 12mp Nikon D700 and the 24mp Sony A900, unless Canon can pull a rabbit out of the hat.
My own preference would be for a full frame sensor with the pixel density of the 40D, or better still, 450D; that is, either a 26mp or 31mp sensor.
They also need to develop a good wide angle zoom like Nikon's 14-24/F2.8.
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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This smells of BS...why would Canon replace the 5D's sensor with one that is inferior? The 1DS Mark II's sensor has more MP, but that aside, it produces more noise then the current 5D's....if you're going to pass on BS, at least make it more convencing ;-(
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Nikon are already killing canon in the high iso stakes. No way are they going to put in a noisier old sensor in a camera that sold so well and has to compete with the D700.
I call shenanigans/troll
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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The rumor monger possibly sold you faulty goods.
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It's a real dilemma for Canon, as well as consumers, now that Nikon have produced a more affordable D3 in the form of a D700.
I don't believe a 16mp 5D upgrade can compete on the basis of a mere 30% increase in pixel count, but Canon have set a precedent for such incremental increases in DSLR pixel count; 6mp tp 8mp; 8mp to 10mp; 10mp to 12mp etc.
By the end of the year, the upgrade to the 5D is likely to be squashed between the 12mp Nikon D700 and the 24mp Sony A900, unless Canon can pull a rabbit out of the hat.
My own preference would be for a full frame sensor with the pixel density of the 40D, or better still, 450D; that is, either a 26mp or 31mp sensor.
They also need to develop a good wide angle zoom like Nikon's 14-24/F2.8.
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I too think Canon was blindsided by Nikon. It'll be interesting to see if the announcement is delayed while they figure out whether to undercut the 1DsIII and use that sensor (for pricing reasons) or go with the incremental sensor upgrade they normally pursue.
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I too think Canon was blindsided by Nikon. It'll be interesting to see if the announcement is delayed while they figure out whether to undercut the 1DsIII and use that sensor (for pricing reasons) or go with the incremental sensor upgrade they normally pursue.
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What??????? Give me a break, finally Nikon after how many years does something progressive with a high iso but only 12 mp??? Lets wait & see what the new Canon camera is? I am very happy with the new 1dsMKIII. I look back to 1988 when Nikon continued with there old mount & Canon in 1997 introduced the EOS system & went from No 2 to No 1 as a result!!!!!! Yes Nikon has stepped up to the plate after how many years........but I still am staying with Canon. The 5D was a bench mark for a FF sensor in 2005!!!!!!
Denis
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The 5D was a bench mark for a FF sensor in 2005!!!!!!
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Yes it was, but it's now 2008 and by the end of the year there'll probably be two 24mp FF DSLRs available, an expensive model from Nikon and a less expensive model from Sony.
If Canon chooses to provide an upgrade to the 5D which is to the 1Ds3 what the D700 is to the D3, ie. essentially the same camera in a lighter body with a less durable shutter, then I won't complain .
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By the way, I notice that Canon have already developed a 50mp DSLR-size CMOS sensor for surveillance purposes, if the following report is true.
Canon crams 50 megapixels into a CMOS prototype
by Paul Miller, posted Jun 4th 2007 at 11:35AM
You won't be seeing one of these sensors in your fashioncam any time soon. Canon has built a 50 megapixel CMOS monstrosity, which is reportedly almost twice the resolution of its nearest competition, and is prepping it as a sort of large format surveillance camera for monitoring large, busy areas such as parking lots and theme parks, along with detailed work like factory part inspections. Despite the sensor's clear industrial-end aims, Canon has managed to build its prototype at 19 x 28mm in size, the same dimensions of the sensors in its DSLR cameras, so who knows where this tech could end up in the long run. So far Canon hasn't even announced release plans for this current incarnation, so we aren't going to go hawking our existing shooter just yet.
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What??????? Give me a break, finally Nikon after how many years does something progressive with a high iso but only 12 mp??? Lets wait & see what the new Canon camera is? I am very happy with the new 1dsMKIII. I look back to 1988 when Nikon continued with there old mount & Canon in 1997 introduced the EOS system & went from No 2 to No 1 as a result!!!!!! Yes Nikon has stepped up to the plate after how many years........but I still am staying with Canon. The 5D was a bench mark for a FF sensor in 2005!!!!!!
Denis
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I believe we're all waiting to see what the new camera will be. And I, like you, won't be trading in my Canon for Nikon regardless.
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Love my 5D, its going to take a big improvement to make me upgrade.
To the notion of bringing our 2 versions, one less inferior to the other just wont sell. If the one less inferior is anything priced like a 5D but with specs less than a 40D and the other more superior is priced more close to the 1D, Canon will shoot themself in the foot.
My predictions, a US$3000 5DII, with all the 40D has and a bit more. Maybe a special extra.
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My predictions, a US$3000 5DII, with all the 40D has and a bit more. Maybe a special extra.
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I agree with you, however a 40d spec'd body isn't going to hold a candle to the d700 if they are both the same price. So, unless they really ratchet up the MP count (and a jump from 12 to 16 isn't all that big) that too would be shooting themselves in the foot.
Canon's going to have to either have reallyaggressive pricing or is going to have to break tradition and provide a high spec camera that isn't a 1-series.
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Somehow I predict a big stupid release from Canon. They really seem to be doing all the wrong stuff the last 1-2 years.
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I'm surprised it's not already out, but I think it's pretty obvious by now what the specs/features will be--(completely new) 16mp sensor, live view, sensor cleaning, etc.
The one thing I hope to God they "take" from Nikon is the in-camera level. Although they basically work, I hate using those flash shoe bubble levels. It's an incredible pain, especially with a ballhead, to take your eye away from the viewfinder and try to level the camera while still maintaining your composition. Please Canon, please!
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I agree with you, however a 40d spec'd body isn't going to hold a candle to the d700 if they are both the same price. So, unless they really ratchet up the MP count (and a jump from 12 to 16 isn't all that big) that too would be shooting themselves in the foot.
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I agree with both of you; Canon has never offered a high frame rate action photography oriented camera in full 35mm format and when it does, I expect it to come first in the high end 1D series. So I expect the next "entry level 35mm format" DSLR from Canon to continue Canon's emphasis on the image resolution (pixel count) advantage of the larger format. If so, 16MP will not be enough: not even compared to Nikon/Sony's 12MP, let alone Pentax-Samsung's 15MP and what is likely to come from Nikon-Sony in DX format sensors in the next year or so.
So I expect the sensor to be either that of the 1DsMkIII, or a cut-down lower frame rate version still sharing much of the design and production facilities to bring costs down for both the new model and the 1DsMkIII. The later will probably need price cuts soon as Sony and Nikon enter the high res. 35mm format DSLR market, so improving sensor design and production economies of scale (as Nikon has been doing lately) might be very desirable for Canon.
And I expect we will not know until mid-September!
P. S. For the imagined "a bit extra", how about a higher frame rate crop option, like 1.4x crop for half the pixel count and up to twice the frame rate? Still probably only about 6fps due to mirror/shutter limitations.
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Somehow I predict a big stupid release from Canon. They really seem to be doing all the wrong stuff the last 1-2 years.
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Have you tried the 1Ds3? Not a stupid release IMO. Also, I have been using the 5D for a few years, and it's another amazing camera.
I look forward to new cameras too, but it doesn't make the current cameras stupid. What is it that these cameras are not doing for you?
Two of these are 5D images, and two are 1Ds3.
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Haven't looked at the metadata.
Let's see... the guy's are 1Ds3, the girl's 5D.
How did I do?
Eduardo
Have you tried the 1Ds3? Not a stupid release IMO. Also, I have been using the 5D for a few years, and it's another amazing camera.
I look forward to new cameras too, but it doesn't make the current cameras stupid. What is it that these cameras are not doing for you?
Two of these are 5D images, and two are 1Ds3.
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Have you tried the 1Ds3? Not a stupid release IMO. Also, I have been using the 5D for a few years, and it's another amazing camera.
I look forward to new cameras too, but it doesn't make the current cameras stupid. What is it that these cameras are not doing for you?
Two of these are 5D images, and two are 1Ds3.
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They could just have easily been shot with a 3mp point and shoot. (Without cheating and looking at the metadata of course). Not that I'm disagreeing with you (I'm not) or suggesting that your work is poor (it's excellent), just that your images are too small to prove anything.
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Not trying to prove the worth of the cameras, just showing what kind of work I do.
Anyway, my question stands...
(and by the way, in my experience, 3mp, 6mp, 12pm point and shoots do not look like this.)
~ron
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They could just have easily been shot with a 3mp point and shoot. (Without cheating and looking at the metadata of course). Not that I'm disagreeing with you (I'm not) or suggesting that your work is poor (it's excellent), just that your images are too small to prove anything.
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Hi,
I would be seriously interested in a 3 mp point'n'shoot that would give me the tonality, detail, selective focus, DR and optical quality that is apparent in the fourth image (boy with a blue sweater).
I could really use one. All the ps cameras I have tried so far have been more or less bs cameras when it comes to useability and the quality of results.
Cheers,
J
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Believe me or not. The new full frame camera from Canon to replace 5D will announce next month, so far as I know, it is a 16mp sensor, the one was used on 1Ds Mk2.
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Who or what is the source of this? Is it reliable or could be considered to be privy to such information? What is the basis for it? Where does it come from?
We can believe you or not, but it would be really helpful in distinguishing this post from countless other base-less rumour-mongering posts if you gave us some information on the source of the statement.
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Exactly, p&s's don't look like these.
However, in my monitor, the guy's pictures seem to have more snap than the girl's, but that could be because other circumstances and not the sensors.
So, Ron, how did I do?
Eduardo
Not trying to prove the worth of the cameras, just showing what kind of work I do.
Anyway, my question stands...
(and by the way, in my experience, 3mp, 6mp, 12pm point and shoots do not look like this.)
~ron
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Ron's picture of the guy in the blue garment aproaches the 3D quality of a 22mp mfdb. (at least from this internet perspective)
I'll be damned if it is from the 5D
Eduardo
Exactly, p&s's don't look like these.
However, in my monitor, the guy's pictures seem to have more snap than the girl's, but that could be because other circumstances and not the sensors.
So, Ron, how did I do?
Eduardo
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Not trying to prove the worth of the cameras, just showing what kind of work I do.
I apologize if I offended, I misunderstood your post.
(and by the way, in my experience, 3mp, 6mp, 12pm point and shoots do not look like this.)
Point taken. They sure don't.
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I too think Canon was blindsided by Nikon. It'll be interesting to see if the announcement is delayed while they figure out whether to undercut the 1DsIII and use that sensor (for pricing reasons) or go with the incremental sensor upgrade they normally pursue.
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And Nikon has two more new cameras waiting in the wings... I suspect we will see Canon announce the 1D mark IIIn, and then issue a development announcement on the 5D replacement, and then Nikon upstage them again.
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You are correct Eduardo, the dudes are 1Ds3 and the girls are 5D.
So where did Kaelaria go - I was asking him a question and he disappeared.
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Thank you much Ron.
So, we can say that under certain circumstances, it is even possible to discern a 12mp camera from a 21 mp camera both full frame over the internet. Much more on prints I believe.
Very interesting.
Just one step further to decide on the 1Ds3. Just need to know first what is coming from Canon for this Fotokina.
Eduardo
You are correct Eduardo, the dudes are 1Ds3 and the girls are 5D.
So where did Kaelaria go - I was asking him a question and he disappeared.
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No problem.
For the record, I think it's easier to see differences between these cameras on a computer screen than in print. That is my experience, anyway.
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No problem.
For the record, I think it's easier to see differences between these cameras on a computer screen than in print. That is my experience, anyway.
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Thanks so much again Ron.
Definitively I have to wait for Fotokina or August 18th, whichever comes first. (not chronologically of course)
Eduardo
No problem.
For the record, I think it's easier to see differences between these cameras on a computer screen than in print. That is my experience, anyway.
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Thanks so much again Ron.
Definitively I have to wait for Fotokina or August 18th, whichever comes first.
Definitively I have to wait for Fotokina or August 18th, whichever comes first.
No need to wait tail Photokina, Canon going to announce at Hong Kong for their new 5D replacement, the CMOS will be 16MP and most features same as 40D.
The 1Ds Mk3 going to 50MP soon.
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50 Meg!!!
We'll need new lenses. What's in R&D in this area?
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50 Meg!!!
We'll need new lenses. What's in R&D in this area?
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I wouldn't get too excited. I think the previous poster was indicating that Canon will actually fix the 1DsIII so that it can auto-focus objects moving at up to 50MPh (the poster must have dropped the 'h') instead of front focussing anything faster than walking pace.
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50 Meg!!!
We'll need new lenses. What's in R&D in this area?
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If we get new lenses, then we'll still need an AA filter. 50mp with current lenses can still produce better results.
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One feature I'd really like to see is "Composition Mode" maube replacing the Print button I guess. Composition mode would be where you shoot and are able to review the pics, and then decide if you want to keep them or not, it would maybe have a buffer of maybe 3-5 shots.
I shoot a lot tethered using C1 Pro and always use the "Composition Mode" to get lighting values correct, before actually saving images, this enables you to shoot and check the image, adjust, get everything dialed in, then switch to normal shooting once everything is setup and looking good.
It may be a long shot and something not considered before, but it would be a great feature. I realise it is easy to just scroll back and delete shots in camera, but sometimes this can slip the mind and confuse you when you dow nload and view the images. Having an easy to access switchable mode would be great, and with the option of keeping the last few shots and writing them to the card would be fairly simple I'd imagine.
Other than that, looking forward to a new release of the 5D, I can't see it being even close to the 40D, its gotta sit pretty close to the 1D3S in specs, regardless of price, as it did when it was first released, bring it.