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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Digital Image Processing => Topic started by: kevs on June 19, 2008, 11:01:44 am
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Now that is seems my Artisan, needs a repair, should I repair it, or get a new monitor?
I have the Sony Artisan and a cheap NEC 19" for palettes etc.
I'm thinking of the 30" Dell or Sony.
I've read about the Eizo, but is it really necessary to spend so much thanks.
If I bail on Artisan I will miss the self calibrating.
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I think there are a number of folks (including me) satisfied with the NEC 2690 + spectraview....
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Another enthusiastic vote for the NEC 2690 with SpectraView.
Lisa
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What are others thoughts on the Mac 23" display? or the Eizo 24"
Paul C
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What are others thoughts on the Mac 23" display? or the Eizo 24"
Paul C
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I have a NEC 2690 WUXi and a SpectraView and the Colorometer with it.The NEC Colormeter is really a Gretag Eye one display2 but it is supposed to be tricked out for the wide gamut of the NEC monitor.The colorometer sez on it Gammacomp MD
.It also will read ambient light .I also have the NEC hood on the monitor.
All works very well and lot's cheaper than an Eizo.I had a Apple 23 in cinema display.The Nec is bigger and way brighter, I had to turn it almost all the way down to get it to calibrate and it's still almost to bright.I would recomend the NEC with spectraview 2 and the colorometer.It's a sweet rig and you will save a lot o $$,
compared to Eizo.
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Thanks guys, my ARtisan, suddenly came back to life so I may stick with it. It was flickering and popping this morning and everything was blurry, but now it's ok.
But want to ask: what was that all about?
Now to the NEC: is it as good as an Eizo? Does it feel as expansive as the 30" monitors?
Does it self calibrate? thanks.
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Now to the NEC: is it as good as an Eizo? Does it feel as expansive as the 30" monitors?
Does it self calibrate? thanks.
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I like my 2690 very much.
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There are quite a number of posts about the 2690. You may want to read them. NEC just introduced a 30 inch version the 3090. I am not sure what you mean by self calibrate. It comes with everything you need to calibrate it and it is very easy to do so.
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The 30" HP is a good deal at ~$1300 and they just came out with the 24" DreamColor which has an ultra-wide gamut that blows anything in its price range away (tri-color LED backlight, 30bit, 1,000,000,000 colors). It basically competes against $12,000-$16,000 monitors.
Dreamcolor
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF...67-3648397.html (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3648397.html)
30"
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF...67-3297215.html (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3297215.html)
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Self calibrate, I mean with ARtisan, you just put the puck up and walk away and come back and it's done.
Curious, how does the NEC compare in quality to Eizo/Artisan.
I have a G5: I would also need to buy a new video card?
Does anyone know what all that flickering/popping I was getting on my Artison Monitor was?? It seems to have settled down now.
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Self calibrate, I mean with ARtisan, you just put the puck up and walk away and come back and it's done.
With the NEC, you have to mount the puck, click Calibrate, and then walk away and come back and it's done. ;-)
Does anyone know what all that flickering/popping I was getting on my Artison Monitor was?? It seems to have settled down now.
Sounds like a harbinger of imminent death. :-(
Nill
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Thanks sounds great Neil, is the NEC the first monitor since the Artisan you don't have to sit there and jump through hoops.
Now my monitor is working fine. does anyone really know what those flickers and pops & blurry screen were? It A-OK now. I've had it four years.
BTW, any Artisan folks can tell me where you would repair an Artisan and how much it would cost? thanks
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still Curious, to Artisan folks, how does the NEC compare in quality to Eizo/Artisan.
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Intermittant flickers & pops mean it's probably an electrical problem, and it's unlikely to get all better on its own (though it may come and go). I had a CRT do that for a few months too, before it completely died. I don't know how easy it would be to fix...
Lisa
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The electival problem is coming from inside the monitor or possible outside?
It has not reappeared yet.
Can't anything be fixed at the shop?
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The electival problem is coming from inside the monitor or possible outside?
It has not reappeared yet.
Can't anything be fixed at the shop?
The sort of electrical problem I'm talking about is something inside the monitor intermitantly shorting out (or suffering some similar problem). It may be possible to fix; I didn't try it when my monitor had that problem, as it was about time for a new monitor for me anyway. You'd have to ask someone who has monitor-repair experience.
Lisa
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still Curious, to Artisan folks, how does the NEC compare in quality to Eizo/Artisan.
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I'm an Artisan user (well not as much anymore). Very, very happy with the NEC SpectraView. Have both the 2690 and newer 3090.
Note, the bit above about a tricked out EyeOne Display is incorrect. Only the unit that ships with the LED (2180) applies, all others are the same device as the X-Rite unit.
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I'm an Artisan user (well not as much anymore). Very, very happy with the NEC SpectraView. Have both the 2690 and newer 3090.
Note, the bit above about a tricked out EyeOne Display is incorrect. Only the unit that ships with the LED (2180) applies, all others are the same device as the X-Rite unit.
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Thanks for the info Rodney.So I bought ANOTHER eye one and the one that came with HP APS was the same as the one that I bought with the NEC? I guess if I plug in the NEC colorometer with HP APS I would find out? THE HARD WAY !
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So I bought ANOTHER eye one and the one that came with HP APS was the same as the one that I bought with the NEC?
Yup. At least as long as both where EyeOne Display-2's.
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Andrew:
The NEC is as good as the Artisan?
The puck stuff is over my head, basically it comes with a calibrator that is similar to the Artisan in that you can walk away and come back and it's calibrated, right?
No reason to read about Eizo anymore, NEC is state of the art?
That said, I'm still sticking with my Artisan until it catches on fire, becuase the longer I hold onto it, the cheaper and better the NEC's will become.
Lastly, my monitor is perfect for last three days, but what was all that popping, flickering, and blurry monitor stuff about? (only lasted a few hours) -- I"ve had it four years now.
thanks!
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Andrew:
The NEC is as good as the Artisan?
That's a bit like asking, is a 50mm 1.2 as good as an 85mm 1.2. They are different. There are things one can do, the other can't. The fact that the Artisan is an old technology, small by today's standards, hot, dim etc when the NEC is the opposite but still can't produce the uniformity or purity over the entire display like the Artisan, or still can't control Black independent of white just shows we have differing technology at our disposals. For a CCFL LED, I'm pretty darn happy with the NEC compared to any other unit I've had the chance to play with. I love the software interaction (making this a smart monitor like the Artisan).
The puck stuff is over my head, basically it comes with a calibrator that is similar to the Artisan in that you can walk away and come back and it's calibrated, right?
Correct. And like the Artisan, you can have differing targets that switch on the fly in the software, update the display and switch out the ICC profile.
No reason to read about Eizo anymore, NEC is state of the art?
UNTILL Eizo seeds units to the right people like Karl Lang and shows why they deserve a huge premium, I'd say go NEC.
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thanks Andrew:
Can the Artisan last forever? If this issue comes back, can I send it in to Sony or a 3rd party for repair and trust it is up to par?
(you know what that popping and flickering and blurry monitor was?)
It lasted 2 hours and everything is now back to normal.
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thanks Andrew:
Can the Artisan last forever? If this issue comes back, can I send it in to Sony or a 3rd party for repair and trust it is up to par?
It will last almost forever if you never turn it on <g>.
Average life span of a CRT is about 3 years of 40 or so hours a week of use.
I seriously doubt you'll find anyone who can "fix it". When it does, time to move on.
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thanks Andrew.
I was told by Sony, the techs I called over there (when I got the monitor) that the lifespan of the Artisan is 30,000 hours of use. which would mean at least 7 years or so even if left on all day long.
Why wouldn't be repairable? TV's are repairable.
The issues have gone away. But the flickering/popping is an omen?
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The question is whether it'd be worth repairing ... (repairs can be pretty expensive sometimes).
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The question is whether it'd be worth repairing ... (repairs can be pretty expensive sometimes).
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And if the necessary parts are even available.
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Thanks Eric/Andrew:
Well if it was only a few hundred dollars I would probably do it as the 30" NEC (which is what I would want) is $2100, and being I have an older G5, I would need to spend another $600 for a new video card to handle the big monitor, right?
Again, that flickering/ popping blurry thing was maybe just a one time fluke? It's pretty much gone away, knock on wood.
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I have an older G5, I would need to spend another $600 for a new video card to handle the big monitor, right?
Not sure. I can tell you I was able to drive the smaller NEC 2690 off a PowerBook, I'd have to assume you could do this off an existing G5 video card.
Oh wait, I'm driving the 2690 of a G5 now! Duh.
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Thanks, I bring it up because I know for sure with Apple's 30" you need a new video card. I wonder why that would not be with an NEC 30"?
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The 30" displays generally have a higher resolution of 2560 x 1600 pixels which requires dual-link DVI to drive. The NEC displays that Andrew and I have are "only" 1900 x 1200 and a good ol' regular DVI interface will drive it fine.
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Eric:
thanks, that's excellent news.
I'm a resolution moron, so my guess is that higher resolution should equal better quality, yet if you and Andrew have the NEC then my guess is probably wrong correct? or maybe you have the NEC for many other reasons but would like the higher resolution?
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Eric:
thanks, that's excellent news.
I'm a resolution moron, so my guess is that higher resolution should equal better quality, yet if you and Andrew have the NEC then my guess is probably wrong correct? or maybe you have the NEC for many other reasons but would like the higher resolution?
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The more pixels on the display, the more you can see without having things overlap or without having to scroll. For image editing this means you can see more of an image as well as having other palettes, windows, etc. off to the side without them getting in the way. In this sense, more is better.
The NEC is a good system, I've found, because the display is high-quality and so is the bundled colorimeter and software.
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Check out Gateway 30" (extreme HD 1600p) monitor specs are real good & a lot cheaper too @ $1699.
http://www.gateway.com/accessories/product...272R.php?seg=hm (http://www.gateway.com/accessories/product/1541272R.php?seg=hm)
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/one-screen-to-r...ther-307408.php (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/one-screen-to-rule-them-all/gateway-xhd3000-extreme-hd-30+incher-reviewed-verdict-really-ties-the-room-together-307408.php)
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Mad:
that hard to understand. If the NEC is 30" and the Apple is 30", then it's the same screen space for images and palettes, no??
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Not unless they have the same resolution in pixels. In this case I believe they do.
In general you can have two displays of the same physical size (e.g., 24") but different resolutions in pixels.
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What are others thoughts on the Mac 23" display? or the Eizo 24"
I've recently started working in the photo department at the US Capitol, and my main project for the last few weeks has been replacing a hodgepodge of Barcos, Artisans, and various mystery meat LCD displays with 24" Eizos, and getting all of the printers and monitors calibrated and profiled with an Eye-One spectro. The Eizos are very nice monitors, and if you use their software to calibrate them internally, there is no display banding or posterization, and when calibrating monitors in a dual configuration, they will match very closely. The Eizos have an internal ambient light sensor, and automatically calibrate to a sensible luminance value for ambient light. They also have a very wide display angle with very little change in image contrast or color.
Cost is another matter; I have no idea how much the government paid for them. But I do know what I want for Christmas...
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... The Eizos have an internal ambient light sensor, and automatically calibrate to a sensible luminance value for ambient light. ...
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The NECs have something similar. I have assumed that one would not want to use it, as there is no real control over the luminance value of the display that way, but I will admit I haven't tried it. Andrew, have you tried it on your 2690? What's your view on use of this feature?
EDIT: Well that's interesting... I just checked and see that I have "Use Auto Luminance (if supported)" checked on. I recently reinstalled my whole system from scratch and had overlooked that setting. What exactly, if anything, is it doing? (It doesn't appear to be doing anything at all.)
FURTHER EDIT: Ah, the answer is in the 1.0.42 ReadMe: "Added Preferences option for using Auto Luminance feature (available on the NEC LCD2490WUXi, LCD2690WUXi, and LCD3090WQXi)." That doesn't include my 2090uxi. Wonder why not? I think it has the hardware capability, at least in some measure.
YET ANOTHER EDIT: And the answer to that question is found in the User's Guide: "Use Auto Luminance (if available) - enables the Auto Luminance sensor inside the the display monitor to increase the Intensity (brightness) stability as the display ages and warms up. This feature will not be used for Targets with 'Maximum Possible' Intensity selected, or if the Target Intensity falls outside the range that the Auto Luminance circuit is capable of controlling. This feature is only available on the following models: LCD2490WUXi, LCD2690WUXi and LCD3090WQXi." So this feature has nothing whatsoever to do with adjusting for ambient light levels. Never mind.
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The NECs have something similar.
The question is, what's reasonable, based on what and does it at all correlate to the viewing conditions?
Ideally, what we need is an ambient light reading that's based on viewing conditions and takes overall ambient light near the display into account (to tell us if indeed that part is reasonable) AND we need to measure the paper white for soft proof compensation (for UV among other things) that gets handed in the printer profile. And the entire chain (display, printer profile, soft proof) all have to work intelligently together. As far as I know, no one's doing that... yet.
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There are actually 2 different backlight control functions on the NEC 90 series displays:
1. The "Auto Luminance" function which you described. The purpose of this feature is to regulate the LCD backlight to reduce variations due to the display warming up and aging.
2. "Auto Brightness" which uses an ambient light sensor on the front of the monitor to adjust the screen brightness accordingly. It is intended more for casual use rather than in a critical color environment - which should have controlled lighting anyway. The last thing you want in that case is the monitor varying itself throughout the day. It is however good for say an office or home environment where you want to avoid being blinded by a display at night, or want to save power by not having the display brighter than it needs to be for the current lighting conditions.
The NECs have something similar. I have assumed that one would not want to use it, as there is no real control over the luminance value of the display that way, but I will admit I haven't tried it. Andrew, have you tried it on your 2690? What's your view on use of this feature?
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...2. "Auto Brightness" which uses an ambient light sensor on the front of the monitor to adjust the screen brightness accordingly. It is intended more for casual use rather than in a critical color environment - which should have controlled lighting anyway. The last thing you want in that case is the monitor varying itself throughout the day. ...
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Ah, that's what I was thinking of. So I didn't dream it after all. Thanks. ;-)
Nill
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