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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: xinchenc on May 13, 2008, 11:09:32 am

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: xinchenc on May 13, 2008, 11:09:32 am

With firmware 2.09, the aperture setting from f/4 to f/32 works correctly. BUT, my AFi7 cannot reach 1/1000 second shutter speed (only 1/500), though apo-symmar 90mm f/4 is PQS lens?

Another problem is in that there is no lens & shooting information in the picture file with any lens, even with those new AFD ones.

Has any user met teh same problem?

Thanks.

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: Carl Glover on May 13, 2008, 11:41:14 am

My Sinar hy6 has the same problem too. Hopefully it will be rectified in the next firmware update.

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: thsinar on May 13, 2008, 11:51:24 am

Question to you Carl, and to Xinchenc:

are those "older" or long ago bought lenses?

Carl: do you have the problem with the same lens as Xinchenc, the 90 apo-symmar macro?

Thanks,
Thierry

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My Sinar hy6 has the same problem too. Hopefully it will be rectified in the next firmware update.
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Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: thsinar on May 13, 2008, 11:57:47 am

that's Leaf AFi specific.

The Sinar Hy6 uses 2 batteries, independently (one in and for the eMotion back exclusively and one in the handgrip of the camera for the body only), and lasts for at least 3 hours of continuous shooting, when fully charged. I have used my set today the whole day, since this morning, demonstrating it and being used by many photographers: the eMotion battery is still indicating 2/3 of full capacity and the camera battery indicates full.

Thierry

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then, what a problem!

another observation is that if I use only one battery to drive the whole system, including the digital back, it will only last about 1 hour!
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Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: Carl Glover on May 13, 2008, 12:50:40 pm

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Carl: do you have the problem with the same lens as Xinchenc, the 90 apo-symmar macro?

Thanks,
Thierry
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Yes.

My other PQS lenses are fine by the way...

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: thsinar on May 13, 2008, 01:22:00 pm

I have been told that this problem does happen with some "older"/"earlier" lenses, and that it is lens-related, not the camera, that's why I was asking.

I was told that the lens has to be sent to factory to get a fix.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Yes.

My other PQS lenses are fine by the way...
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Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: yaya on May 13, 2008, 04:16:21 pm

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With firmware 2.09, the aperture setting from f/4 to f/32 works correctly. BUT, my AFi7 cannot reach 1/1000 second shutter speed (only 1/500), though apo-symmar 90mm f/4 is PQS lens?

Another problem is in that there is no lens & shooting information in the picture file with any lens, even with those new AFD ones.

Has any user met teh same problem?

another observation is that if I use only one battery to drive the whole system, including the digital back, it will only last about 1 hour!

Thanks.
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We will get someone to contact you with requests for some more info.

Regarding the battery life we're looking to improve the power management of the imaging module+body, however you can use a 2nd battery (of up to 6,000mAh) attached to the bottom of the imaging module which is going to give you a much longer working time.

Yair

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: yaya on May 14, 2008, 11:34:22 am

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Can Leaf settle my 90mm PQS lens problem FREE?

Thanks,
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If the lens was bought from Leaf and it is not a bug that can be fixed via firmware then I believe it will be repaired/ replaced under warranty.

If you haven't heard from Leaf AP or from your dealer by now then I suggest you contact your dealer.

Yair

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: bradleygibson on May 15, 2008, 01:42:40 am

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I just bought it in Shanghai the day before yesterday, with serial # 14653xxx. Is that an OLD lens?
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According to Schneider, that serial puts your manufacture date in 1997 or 1998.  Not sure how old a lens has to be for this problem, though.

-Brad

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: BJNY on May 15, 2008, 07:32:20 am

Bradley,
How does one figure out the date of manufacture via the serial number?
Billy

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: thsinar on May 15, 2008, 08:48:20 am

Dear Xinchenc,

I doubt it is F&H who sells slowly, but at a certain period the stocks have probably been filled to the top. That's what I have ben told.

Best regards,
Thierry

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How slow Rollei sells such lens.
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Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: thsinar on May 16, 2008, 10:14:13 pm

No, not true Xinchenc: I have myself a few such "old" PQS lenses and they are working fine on the Sinar Hy6.

Thierry

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It is said that ALL manual PQS lenses have such 1/500 second problem.
Thanks.
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Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: yaya on May 25, 2008, 04:11:51 am

Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:

(http://www.imagehut.eu/images/86656Picture%2013.jpg)

(http://www.imagehut.eu/images/15163Picture%208.jpg)

Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: rethmeier on May 25, 2008, 05:11:42 am

Looks soft to me?

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: yaya on May 25, 2008, 06:25:58 am

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Looks soft to me?
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Changed the full frame grab so you'll see the size of the crop. From that distance you won't get any sharper than that, not at 1/1000 anyway...


Yair

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: jing q on May 25, 2008, 11:50:03 am

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Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:

(http://www.imagehut.eu/images/86656Picture%2013.jpg)

(http://www.imagehut.eu/images/15163Picture%208.jpg)

Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair
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you should be looking at the feet, that's the part that'll probably blur (flash duration is more important here really)

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: favalim on May 25, 2008, 01:14:49 pm

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that's Leaf AFi specific.
... and the camera battery indicates full.

Thierry
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Thierry the problem of the Hy6 battery level is that it shows "full" till it's finished
That's my case at least.

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: favalim on May 25, 2008, 01:15:25 pm

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that's Leaf AFi specific.
... and the camera battery indicates full.

Thierry
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Thierry the problem of the Hy6 battery level is that it shows "full" till it's finished
That's my case at least.

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: EricWHiss on May 25, 2008, 02:37:47 pm

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Here is why it is worth getting the lens fixed:

Photographer: Alex Granat
Lighting: Martim Neves
Model: Xenia Fortes

Leaf AFi 6
Schneider 50mm AF-D
50 iso
1/1000 sec @ f20
Profoto D4

Yair
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Wow - why f/20?   With the 50mm this could have been shot at f/11 or maybe even f/8 and the flash power could have several stops less which would have made the flash even faster than the shutter.

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: dustblue on May 25, 2008, 04:57:43 pm

absolutely!

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you should be looking at the feet, that's the part that'll probably blur (flash duration is more important here really)
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Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: Graham Mitchell on May 25, 2008, 05:09:57 pm

To make the point properly, you need a shot with both ambient and flash light (fairly balanced)

Title: Leaf AFi 7 + Apo-Symmar 90mm F/4 problem
Post by: thsinar on May 25, 2008, 07:43:51 pm

That should not be, favalim.

Mine is indicating it correctly.

Do you have the latest firmware? I would let this be checked.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry the problem of the Hy6 battery level is that it shows "full" till it's finished
That's my case at least.
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