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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: Box Brownie on February 13, 2008, 06:29:39 pm
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Sadly I am still in the monitor equivalent of the dark ages in that my 15inch 1024x768 LCD is still required to be my workhorse. Most of the time apart from 'real estate' envy to "see" my workspace writ larger this is not an issue but when I try to read some of and most recently the "Tough Selections made Easy" tutorial I have to sideways scroll just a little and that makes for a very frustrating user experience.
Any chance of such tutorials opening on a page without the green sidebar of hyperlinks? Perhaps even a print friendly page to print it off for study offline?
I have no doubt that if a survey was taken of screen sizes here at LL I would be in a quite small minority, so just a plaintive cry from my individual wilderness
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Sadly I am still in the monitor equivalent of the dark ages in that my 15inch 1024x768 LCD is still required to be my workhorse. Most of the time apart from 'real estate' envy to "see" my workspace writ larger this is not an issue but when I try to read some of and most recently the "Tough Selections made Easy" tutorial I have to sideways scroll just a little and that makes for a very frustrating user experience.
Any chance of such tutorials opening on a page without the green sidebar of hyperlinks? Perhaps even a print friendly page to print it off for study offline?
I have no doubt that if a survey was taken of screen sizes here at LL I would be in a quite small minority, so just a plaintive cry from my individual wilderness
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I have this problem with LL as well. I use a 17inch monitor at 1024x768. To be honest, I think it is poor web programming on their part. Using appropriate techniques, it is possible to serve a page up which will resize appropriately depending on a user's screen settings. Maybe they haven't been aware of it, so hopefully something might be done about it now.
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All pages on LL dynamically resize. If they don't on your system it most likely is at your end.
Michael
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WAH I can't see the site on my 1987 Atari running CGA!
1024? Really? Quit whining guys.
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If they don't on your system it most likely is at your end.
Michael
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Ahh, web programmer's famous last words. This is one of the hazards, and challenges, of being a web programmer (I should know, I am one), trying to program in a standards environment that is the equivalent of a multi-car freeway pile up. LL is about the only modern proffessional site on the whole internet that I have come across where it doesn't dynamically resize. I suspect it is actually a problem on your end.
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I've looked at the site (again) on three Mac browsers and two Windows browsers and all pages resize.
What can I say?
Michael
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Are you kidding? Almost nobody creates websites that dynamically resize anymore (unfortunately) they are all designed for a fixed resolution, and usually a small one.
LL works just fine for me at 1024x768...
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Are you kidding? Almost nobody creates websites that dynamically resize anymore (unfortunately) they are all designed for a fixed resolution, and usually a small one.
LL works just fine for me at 1024x768...
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For a start, Michael's web programmer does, so no, I'm not kidding. Secondly, how do think it is that it fits in yours and doesn't fit in ours at 1024? Obviously it is resizing, just not on ours. But there is one part I do agree about, and that is that a lot of sites are designed to fit a smaller resolution, and that resolution is almost always 1024x768. If you choose to design at a bigger resolution than this, then you have a couple of choices: 1. Code properly (hard, I know, given the standards minefield out there) and dynamically resize your pages so your viewers can enjoy their time at your website; or 2. Say I don't give a stuff and come what may with that.
Having said all that, I am open to the possibility that there is something unique in our settings that is causing this, but I can't possibly think what it could be. I am using IE7,Firefox 2.0.0.3 and winxp(sp2). Maybe it is a video card issue, but I got a new one of them about 6 months ago, so I don't see why it would cause any problems.
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Having said all that, I am open to the possibility that there is something unique in our settings that is causing this, but I can't possibly think what it could be. I am using IE7,Firefox 2.0.0.3 and winxp(sp2). Maybe it is a video card issue, but I got a new one of them about 6 months ago, so I don't see why it would cause any problems.
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I can't imagine what settings might be off, especially since other web sites display fine for you. I've got basically the same setup as you described. The only thing I noticed is that it doesn't appear to go any less than 1024, so the window would have to be maximized.
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I can't imagine what settings might be off, especially since other web sites display fine for you. I've got basically the same setup as you described. The only thing I noticed is that it doesn't appear to go any less than 1024, so the window would have to be maximized.
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I tried resizing my browser window, and the main site (ie. home page etc) doesn't resize along with the browser, however, this forum resizes fine. It (the forum) would seem to act how I design a site, which is to use html tables to hold content with (from memory) the width set to "Auto", so it resizes automatically.
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Download a copy of Opera and try it. Opera has a nice manual resizing feature: On the numeric keypad, the "+" makes everything bigger, the "-" makes everything smaller, and the "*" returns you to the default. I use these all the time to get big pictures to fit my screen (main screen is at 1600x1200).
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Download a copy of Opera and try it. Opera has a nice manual resizing feature: On the numeric keypad, the "+" makes everything bigger, the "-" makes everything smaller, and the "*" returns you to the default. I use these all the time to get big pictures to fit my screen (main screen is at 1600x1200).
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I've tried opera before, and despite what everyone says about firefox et al, I find IE the fastest and easiest to use.
By the way, I checked LL at work, and it doesn't dynamically resize there either.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
I use IE6 and have tried it with portable Firefox v1.0.7 and it still needs the sideways scrolling???
Based on the mixed feedback I am still somewhat perplexed because though it should apparently dynamically resize it is failing for me and others.
Oh well.
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IE has long had a reputation for misbehaving in many ways. Firefox is probably the most standards-compliant browser available today. It costs nothing to keep a couple of different browsers on your computer in case one doesn't work well on some particular website.
Opera does great on LL for me. Firefox would, too, but I'm so used to Opera that it is my main browser.
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The man's problem is real and has nothing to do with IE (not that I'm defending it - just like to see things as they are).
Michael states the pages resize dynamically, and that's true for most of the content. But some images do not resize in any browser. The selections article has somewhere down the middle two images side by side, and they do not resize, hence the horizontal scroll bars. The rest of the page especially the text does resize so you can read the article without having to scroll, but the horizontal scroll bars will be there until you resize beyond the width of the two side-by-side images.
Resizing automatically this kind of image layout is a scripting PITA. I know because I use it in my site .
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IE has long had a reputation for misbehaving in many ways. Firefox is probably the most standards-compliant browser available today. It costs nothing to keep a couple of different browsers on your computer in case one doesn't work well on some particular website.
Opera does great on LL for me. Firefox would, too, but I'm so used to Opera that it is my main browser.
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IE 7, and anything based on netscape 5 and above (includes firefox and I think opera) and the latest version of safari are all supposed to be fully standards complient now. There should be no differences between these for standard features. The problem comes when you have to code for all the various older browsers out there.
Still, that's not solving my problem.
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I have to sideways scroll just a little and that makes for a very frustrating user experience
I don't understand the frustration.; you have to scroll to the right only once per such article, it will stay there.
The green strip is 200 pixels wide, fixed in the imported CSS called "lumino-style.css". It is stored among the temporary internet files, and it can be edited, but it will be downloaded again if its time stamp changes. If you have a program, which sets the date and time of a file to reset it to the initial state after having edited it, you can change this 200 to somewhat less (I don't have such program).
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The green strip is 200 pixels wide, fixed in the imported CSS called "lumino-style.css". It is stored among the temporary internet files, and it can be edited, but it will be downloaded again if its time stamp changes. If you have a program, which sets the date and time of a file to reset it to the initial state after having edited it, you can change this 200 to somewhat less (I don't have such program).
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Thank god you're not a web programmer. If we had to re-program someone else's page every time we visited, it would be a miserable experience indeed.
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I'd say it's more appropriate to say that the pages "re-center" the content. It doesn't resize anything.
As Michael says, both the LL web and the forum re-center without problems. You'll get the scroll bars (horizontal) when the content is too big to keep it centered in the window. Resizing the window will center the content but not resize it.
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I'd say it's more appropriate to say that the pages "re-center" the content. It doesn't resize anything.
As Michael says, both the LL web and the forum re-center without problems. You'll get the scroll bars (horizontal) when the content is too big to keep it centered in the window. Resizing the window will center the content but not resize it.
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You've missed the point. It is possible to recentre and resize the content programmatically. For some reason for some of us, this isn't happening.
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You've missed the point. It is possible to recentre and resize the content programmatically. For some reason for some of us, this isn't happening.
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You mean if I resize (reduce) the window the images will be reduced as well? You can resize the content in a page but not the images inside. I don't think the LL website is programmed to resize the images...
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You mean if I resize (reduce) the window the images will be reduced as well?
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Images won't, but text and other controls can. Just try reducing this forum window and you can see the text will wrap and the borders will shrink to accomodate the window size
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Images won't, but text and other controls can. Just try reducing this forum window and you can see the text will wrap and the borders will shrink to accomodate the window size
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Yes, the forum reposition everything, but the main site contains images, that's why it puts the scrollbars.
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Yes, the forum reposition everything, but the main site contains images, that's why it puts the scrollbars.
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It's only a problem if the images are bigger than 1024 wide, or some controls and the images total more than 1024. You know, this isn't a unique problem only LL faces. Other sites have to deal with this as well. Somehow, they manage.
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I don't understand the frustration.; you have to scroll to the right only once per such article, it will stay there.
The green strip is 200 pixels wide, fixed in the imported CSS called "lumino-style.css". It is stored among the temporary internet files, and it can be edited, but it will be downloaded again if its time stamp changes. If you have a program, which sets the date and time of a file to reset it to the initial state after having edited it, you can change this 200 to somewhat less (I don't have such program).
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The frustration is that the page needs scrolling both ways to read all the text i.e. the width will not fit in the 1024 wide screen.
I do not recall having to do this with any other site for a long time and indeed on the old LL site design I am sure this was not the case.
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The frustration is that the page needs scrolling both ways to read all the text i.e. the width will not fit in the 1024 wide screen.
I do not recall having to do this with any other site for a long time and indeed on the old LL site design I am sure this was not the case.
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Charles Cramer tutorial doesn't resize on my 1024 wide screen laptop. I need to horizontally scroll once per line if I want to read the text. Across the site, many pages resize, and a few others do not. I don't see the logic.
No way about changing configuration since it is a company laptop. I got accustommed to this behavoiur of LL and do not pay too much attention to it now.
BTW, LL is the only serious site I have experienced these things.
Manuel
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I finally had a look at the code for the home page and it is clear where the problem is. The three images side by side with Jeff and Michael in the middle pic. These three images and the side bar have a total width of 1200 and something. Obviously this can't fit into a screen size of 1024. It is possible I think to dynamically resize images in html. If this isn't the case, and you want the page to be viewable on 1024 screen resolution, then they need to be reduced in size.
By the way, there are a number of ordinary errors in the source code, including standards errors, and closing tags without matching opening tags (wtf?).
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As someone who does his own web site, my view on this is, if I'm not paying for something then let me be happy with what I get .
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As someone who does his own web site, my view on this is, if I'm not paying for something then let me be happy with what I get .
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I'll fix it for him for free if he wants.
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Try this in the address line of your browser:
java script:resizeTo(1024,768) the forum keeps inserting a [space] between java and script, remove it
Or whatever desired size you want . . . Currently the home page requires ~1300px to display w/o having to scroll. A lot of designers forget about the ~40px required for the vertical scroll bar and window container as well.
As far as "poor programming" perhaps you are critcizing content decisions? I remember Turner having the courage to display classic movie's in original letterbox format and getting harshly criticized. All that said, I'd prefer the site fit:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp)