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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: witwald on February 10, 2008, 03:18:04 am
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Is anyone using a 64-bit edition of Vista with Lightroom? What are your experiences, both good and bad? How much RAM is in your PC? What graphics card do you use, and why? Are your printers and/or scanners supported by stable and reliable 64-bit drivers? Is anyone using a quad-core Intel processor?
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, as I'm planning to upgrade my old 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 system.
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Is anyone using a 64-bit edition of Vista with Lightroom? What are your experiences, both good and bad? How much RAM is in your PC? What graphics card do you use, and why? Are your printers and/or scanners supported by stable and reliable 64-bit drivers? Is anyone using a quad-core Intel processor?
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, as I'm planning to upgrade my old 3.0 GHz Pentium 4 system.
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Using Quad Core - but Vista 32 bit - 4 Gig RAM with Lightroom. Lightroom library stored externally on 2 Terrabyte RAID1 NAS server. Connected via USB2.
No issues to speak of.
Very happy with speed.
Did notice a little slow down with 1DS MKIII files compared to 5D - but given they are 21 mp. v. 12 - thats understandable.
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There are very very few reasons to upgrade to Vista 64. Unless you have really stringent security requirements or are running servers I would stick with the 32 bit version. You are asking for a very large headache with 64 since many vendors have not implemented 64 bit versions of their drivers yet and many don't intend to since Vista 64 enforces driver signing and they don't want the extra expense. Really... stay away unless you have to.
That being said... LR and Vista 32 play nicely together.
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I've just built a Vista 64 machine with 2 quad core Xeon 2.8 processors, 16 gigs of ram Raid 5 and SAS Raid 0 15000rpm drives built with a Tyan Tempest i5400XT server board. Photoshop shows 3.5megs of usable memory at 100%. I can work on 1gig files with no effort at all. All programs work with Vista 64 except those with 16bit loaders, these are mostly very old programs. I can run Photoshop, Lightroom and any other combination of programs at the same time with no loss in performance. Lightroom runs much better than on xp with 4gigs of ram. The SAS drives are used for my work drive and save a 130meg file in about 1 second. With this machine Vista shows none of the problems that plagued the OS at first. I now can just barely use my XP studio machine, it seems so old. I hope Adobe releases a 64bit version soon, it should be amazing. I use Canon 64bit printer drivers for my iPF5000 and NEC Spectraview2 with eye one 2 calibrator to tune my 2690WUXI monitors. My old Epson scanner won't work but all printers do. Most drivers are installed automatically with Vista. I found if the machine is built with Vista 64 in mind it is a great solution that will last some years as more and more vendors write 64bit software. As an example a file manager called Directory Opus 9 is written in 64 bit and is just great. It has built in FTP and image viewing along with dual pane file management.
Dennis
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Photoshop shows 3.5megs of usable memory at 100%.
Dennis
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Oooh, impressive! LOL
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Oooh, impressive! LOL
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Actually it *is*, when you consider that under a 64Bit memory address space, Lightroom and Photshop no longer need share that 3.5GB! Each app get's it's own . . .
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LOL uh...you didn't get it Read more carefully
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A quite exceptional programme too. It puts many of Adobe's products to shame, especially when they cite lack of resources as reasons for LR/Bridge problems as Opus is a two man band and yet they do a brilliant job.
When you use a bit of software and think wouldn't it be cool if it did 'blah-blah', you normally discover Opus already does 'blah-blah' and usually even better than you'd imagined.
One of the best programmes ever.
[a href=\"http://nudel.dopus.com/opus9/]http://nudel.dopus.com/opus9/[/url] for info
I just wish they did a Mac version too as Finder really sucks and none of the Mac alternatives to 'Founder' can hold a candle to Opus.
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There are very very few reasons to upgrade to Vista 64. Unless you have really stringent security requirements or are running servers I would stick with the 32 bit version. You are asking for a very large headache with 64 since many vendors have not implemented 64 bit versions of their drivers yet and many don't intend to since Vista 64 enforces driver signing and they don't want the extra expense. Really... stay away unless you have to.
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Spoken like someone who hasn't actually used Vista x64. I have signed drivers for all of my hardware, including both printers, my tablet, my raid firewire-800 controllers, my spectrophotometer and colorimeter, and my phone. Abosolutely ZERO driver issues, and the system is more stable than any 32-bit OS I've ever run. There may be some older hardware that doesn't have drivers, especially if it's cheap stuff made by no-name companies. But the major hardward vendors have gotten their act together and most modern hardware should work just fine.
What's more, even with 4GB of ram there's a noticeable performance improvement from runing x64 because you can actually use the full 4GB of ram. Bump it to 8GB of ram and things really start to hum along nicely. I can allocated a full 3GB or ram to Photoshop and still have plenty left over the the OS and disk cache, as well as other programs such as Bridge, Lightzone, Outlook, IE, etc. On a 4GB system running x86 OS you can give PS at most 2GB of RAM and even then you have to be careful about what else you run at the same time or performance suffers.
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I'm running Vista x64 with 8Gb RAM.
At the moment, I'm running ACR via Bridge or PS.
My problem is that, when I'm working on large files in Bridge and ACR, I constantly run into memory leakage problems.
As has been pointed out to me, this is probably because Bridge is still 32bit. So, if I use ACR via PS, I get 64bit capability and can use all my memory. But, hosting ACR via PS is cumbersome, particularly when working on TIFFs.
My question is this:
I note that Lightroom is 64bit. Do others ever have memory problems when working on large files in it?
Also, does it have all the bells and whistles that ACR has? (I've never even seen LR on a screen.)
Thanks.
D.
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I'm running Vista x64 with 8Gb RAM.
At the moment, I'm running ACR via Bridge or PS.
My problem is that, when I'm working on large files in Bridge and ACR, I constantly run into memory leakage problems.
As has been pointed out to me, this is probably because Bridge is still 32bit. So, if I use ACR via PS, I get 64bit capability and can use all my memory. But, hosting ACR via PS is cumbersome, particularly when working on TIFFs.
My question is this:
I note that Lightroom is 64bit. Do others ever have memory problems when working on large files in it?
Also, does it have all the bells and whistles that ACR has? (I've never even seen LR on a screen.)
Thanks.
D.
I've got LR 2.4 (64 bit) running on Windows 7 RC and it seems absolutely fine, it actually "seems" a little snappier than the 32 bit vers on my old Win XP. I find LR to be a much better solution than Bridge/ACR. It certainly has plenty of bells and whistles too !
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I've got LR 2.4 (64 bit) running on Windows 7 RC and it seems absolutely fine, it actually "seems" a little snappier than the 32 bit vers on my old Win XP. I find LR to be a much better solution than Bridge/ACR. It certainly has plenty of bells and whistles too !
Intel Quad
8GB ram
Win Vista 64
I wouldn't want to go back to a 32bit System. It's just great to be able to use all this memory
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I'm running Lightroom 2.4 on a Quad core 2.53 with 8GB RAM under Windows 7 RC 64-bit. It is smooth, fast, and totally bug-free.
If you haven't upgraded to Win 7 64-bit, you should. Very well designed OS and zero problems so far in C1, LR, CS4, etc.
David
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I am running Vista 64 bit on Intel Core i7 920, 8 cores at 2.67 GHz with 6 GB of memory. No problems with drivers for eye one, Epson 4870 and 1280.
Runs like a scalded dog compared to my Pentium 4, 2.8 Ghz with 4 GB memory. My files are from a P45+ and generally run from 230MB to 1.6 GB each depending the number of layers.
No problems with Vista 64 bit, I highly recommend it.
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Is anyone using a 64-bit edition of Vista with Lightroom? What are your experiences, both good and bad? How much RAM is in your PC? What graphics card do you use, and why? Are your printers and/or scanners supported by stable and reliable 64-bit drivers? Is anyone using a quad-core Intel processor?
LR 2.3 and 2.4 have been stable and happy on Vista x64, given how loudly and how often I complained about 2.2 you might want to consider that a strong recommendation.
My ancient HP laser printer driver was a hassle but only in terms of getting it working across a cross-platform network. I don't have a fine art printer at home (I use Calypso Imaging for my work), so I can't speak to that. I'm using an i7 940, and it is tasty fast, but see DigLloyd for some suggestions on working around the single-processor bottleneck on some LR operations (e.g., JPEG export.)! My graphics card is an nVidia-based GeForce250, it's worked great with Lightroom but I had some early problems with Photoshop painting being weird, updating the driver and turning OpenGL back on seems to have (mostly? entirely? solved the problem.)
--Joe
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I'm running all the latest Adobe products with Windows 7 on several computers. Definitely performs better than Vista. My best machine is a dual core AMD rig with 8G ram and Windows 7 64 bit. Works great. But, Lightroom 2.4 also does ok on an Atom netbook with only 1G in W7 32 bit, and is very usable on an old P4 laptop with 4G in W7 32 bit.
Skip Vista entirely and head straight for Windows 7. You won't be dissapointed.
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Cheers guys.
I think you've persuaded me.
A switch to LR would improve my workflow over ACR via PS.
I'm sure that if they made Bridge 64bit, I wouldn't be having any problems, but that's another story.
D.
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I recently went through all this.
I had been running XP32 for years, because there were always issues with first Vista, then 64 bit. I still run into 64 bit issues, but they are getting fewer and fewer as time goes by and now, finally, they were few enough that I could switch.
I would periodically do a dual boot and test everything out for evaluation, but it wasn't until this spring that I even went to Vista, and just 32.
I recently installed Win7 64, and tried that out - for the most part no problems, however the speed was identical for me, and I don't care for the look. For me, most of it's changes are simply cosmetic, and I don't use the features anyway. I know how to tweak Vista for optimization, and doing back to back tests and benchmarkings confirmed that both systems were awesome performance wise. I don't plan on going to Win 7 anytime soon, since it has no new features I need/want. Out of the box though there is no comparison - Win 7 whips Vista's ass - you MUST spend time configuring Vista to get it where it should have been to begin with. So I definitely recommend Win 7 to anyone because it's easy and works - I just don't need to spend the money on it over what I have.
Anyway, I switched to Vista 64, put in 8 GB and am running a 3.4GHz Intel quad. Everything freaking flies - the bottleneck by FAR is the disc system, and I use Raid 0 arrays for speed. I'd really love to plug in some SSDs, dedicate some for the swap discs...maybe later. My biggest improvement was running Lightroom and PS at the same time, with a bunch of images open. On 3GB I would max out with just a few files and sometimes need to reopen Photoshop to get speed back. Now, SO much faster with more going on!
64 bit is NOT without problems though. The OS itself is great, the 64 bit apps are great - but it's the little stuff that's lacking.
Some flash apps don't work in Win7 64, like AOL radio for example. They so far all work fine in Vista though.
There is no 64 bit Jet DB, so nothing working with Access databases can work. So not only no MS Access, but I have things like my Cigar Registry that uses a Jet library - no go. MS is rumored to be releasing a new DB app using SQL to work with the next Office and dropping Access - but plenty of apps use Jet.
Lots of NON-current version apps don't work, or will even install in 32-bit mode. Quickbooks for example - I had to get the latest version to even install it. Not happy about that.
Lots of NON-current version Photoshop plugins either don't work in Photoshop 64, requiring you to launch Photoshop 32 defeating the purpose, or don't install on a 64 bit OS. Some have beta versions, most require you to purcahse new versions. I had to upgrade Noise Ninja, my old PK Shapener didn't work, and none of the Nik tools work in PS 64.
SO it really depends on what you need to do, if it will work for you in the end. If you require use of plugins that don't yet have 64 versions, there is no point since you can't run PS64 to take advantage of the 64 bit differences like extra ram.
Luckily what I do is run both versions of photoshop, changing when I need to since I only need plugins for some parts of my work and can run 64 bit for the others where I can really use the extra ram like large prints. I only use the filters on my wedding shots, and they don't get large.
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There are very very few reasons to upgrade to Vista 64. Unless you have really stringent security requirements or are running servers I would stick with the 32 bit version. You are asking for a very large headache with 64 since many vendors have not implemented 64 bit versions of their drivers yet and many don't intend to since Vista 64 enforces driver signing and they don't want the extra expense. Really... stay away unless you have to.
That being said... LR and Vista 32 play nicely together.
I am sorry but your statement about "asking for trouble" is IMO very outdated. This is from the old XP 64 days when there really WAS problems finding drivers ect. Since switching to Vista64 I have had NO problems finding drivers for any hardware at all. I have also not had any problems running software. In fact I find Vista 64 to be very smooth and stable.
The only reason I upgraded from XP32 was to use 8GB RAM for Lightroom 64-bit version. I will never run 32-bit OS again
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+1 that the above, the guy is WAY off base and clearly doesn't actually run what he's talking about.
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Well, I bought LR this a.m. and loaded it onto my Vista x64 system.
First impressions are that the interface will take getting used to after ACR, but that was to be expected.
Bought Martin Evening's book too (his CS4 book is excellent, so I just went with what I know) and, at 600 pages(!), it should have all I need - I hope!
Really hoping that it solves my memory problems - Bridge was driving me nuts, and hosting ACR via PS just isn't very user friendly.
Thanks to all.
D.
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All you need is the LL training video.
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All you need is the LL training video.
And the new one on DAM ("Where the #$%* are My Pictures?").
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24 hours later.....................
Coming from Bridge I have to say that, on first impressions, I don't like the Library feature. Being able to dump something in a folder on my HD and view it via the Bridge window is simple and straightforward. The cynic in me says that it was devised to make LR different from Bridge/ACR. (just joking!). But, a quick Google shows that I'm not alone in disliking this. That said, I suppose one can get used to anything.
I'd like to know though how people like me, coming from 3 or 4 years of Bridge/ACR, make the transition?
Question: If I want to import a folder of images that already exists on my HD into LR, does it make complete copy of this folder? What I'm getting at is, will I have duplication and therefore some serious house work to do in order not to have my disk space devoured by this Library system?
Thanks.
D.
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The biggest change is moving your mindset - with Lightroom, ALL the work is done INSIDE Lightroom. There is no manipulation of files or directories through any other means. The Library is both Bridge AND Finder/Explorer at the same time.
Importing is simple - Choose Import From Disc and it will move or copy the files to your new Lightroom structure - just like iTunes.
Lightroom is MUCH easier and more powerful once you get your head around it.
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Importing is simple - Choose Import From Disc and it will move or copy the files to your new Lightroom structure - just like iTunes.
OK. I don't deal in huge numbers of files like a social/wedding/fashion photographer might. I might shoot 2 images in a day, or 50, but no more. I also delete just about anything that I don't process.
My current set-up consists of three internal drives. My C: drive (which contains nothing but OS and other progams) and two other 500Gb drives. One is called Internal Images (Raw files) and the other is Internal Edited Images. Both contain folders with clients names on them and each folder contains sub-folders with the raws or edits from a specific shoot.
Every couple of days, I copy the contents of both these HDs onto two external HDs. At the end of a year, I make a second HD copy and re-format the two internal drives. Simple.
So, what I want to know is can I start creating libraries in LR that access Internal Images for the raws and then save them out to Internal Edited Images - without requiring *any* additional HD space?
Thanks.
D.
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Yes - when you do Import From Disc, you can choose to just add your existing structure to the library, without changing anything. Lightroom will then just see your structure and you can manipulate everything from it. If at any time you wish to change your structure, you just move the folders from inside Lightroom and it moves all the files and updates the database.
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Thanks. The penny is beginning to drop now! ;-)
In my case, the option in the Import dialogue to 'Add photos to Catalog without moving' would appear to be the key choice.
D.
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Bada bing!
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OK. Loving it now!
Two more questions............
1. When I print in PS, I create a Duplicate image and then soft proof the master image against this. This gives me exactly what I'm seeing on the screen. I'm assuming that I can't do this in LR?
2. Is there an equivalent of ACR's Color Sampler tool? Being able to sample, for example, the colour in a shot of a Gretag Macbeth card is very useful - for camera calibration, for example. Equally, sampling the two edges and the middle of an evenly lit background allow perfect vignetting correction. Can I take samples in LR?
Thanks.
D.
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No and no. Maybe in future versions though!
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OK. When I asked the first question above, I stupidly forgot that, in the Print module, it's not possible to make any changes to the image of the editing kind, only in the Develop module.
And I've just discovered that in the Develop module, it is possible to have a duplicate image on the screen via the Before/After feature.
So, now all I would need is to be able to apply my paper profile to the After image and access the Rendering Intents dialogue. I could then do exactly what I do in PS - even better in fact, because when you select Duplicate in PS you have to resize the images so that they don't overlap. LR does it perfectly!
So, can I access print settings in the Develop Module?
Thanks.
D.
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Not that I'm aware of.
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Not that I'm aware of.
Pity. Can't do proper printing without proper soft-proofing. Being able to access paper profiles and rendering intents via the Develop Module is not rocket science and should be possible - particularly when they've provided the perfect split screen option.
Thanks.
D.
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That's why most of us still print from PS.
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Ok, but it's only a matter of adding Paper Profiles and Rendering Intents to one of the Develop Module menus. It could NOT be easier!
Have to say it reeks of the drip feed carry on that soft ware developers go in for. Who is not going to upgrade to LR 3.0 if soft-proofing is included.
I've read more than one LR convert blog arguing that the Print Module is so good you don't need PS anymore. I beg to differ.
D.
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I'm not arguing - it's been asked for for years now.
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I'm not arguing - it's been asked for for years now.
I'm pretty sure Softproofing will come with 3.0. However I could be wrong :-P