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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: j.miller on January 31, 2008, 03:50:13 pm
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01/31/07 Sneak Peak of the new ALPA 12 MAX
Having been announced in the early part of December 2007 (see the following links at GetDPI (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380) and pixnoir (http://www.pixnoir.com/hardware_news/)), the ALPA 12 MAX has been highly anticipated given the success of the previous cameras in the ALPA 12 platform.
ALPA of Switzerland has release some additional details on this new camera model. Official details can be found at www.alpa.ch (http://www.alpa.ch), including more detailed images (http://www.alpa.ch/index.php?path=products/cameras&detailpage=267) as well as a downloadable PDF (http://www.alpa.ch/files/news/56/ALPA_Brochure12MAX.pdf).
Here some preliminary details:
The ALPA 12 MAX is fully integrated into the ALPA 12 family of cameras: all models (TC, WA, SWA, METRIC, MAX, XY) use exactly the same lenses, back adapters, digital and roll-film backs, viewfinders, universal-shoe-adapters, macro adapters, ground-glasses, etc. It is usable both hand-held and on a tripod.
Measures:
Weight (body alone): around 1’000 g
Height: 206 mm
Width: 177 mm
Depth: 31 mm
Simultaneous vertical and horizontal shift movements:
shift upwards/rise: 25 mm
shift downwards/fall: 18 mm
vertical shift total: 43 mm
shift left: 18 mm
shift right: 18 mm
horizontal shift total: 36 mm
Features:
Shifting with fixed lens position is possible - only the back moves within the lens’ image circle. This is the basis for any high-end stitching. The two shifting sleds never go beyond the closed camera body’s frame and are guided on roller bearings throughout. The use of textile light sealing material is minimized in order to avoid the danger of dust and abrasion. The retail price of the ALPA 12 MAX (body alone) is going to be around USD 6’000.00 to 6’500.00. We are planning to show the prototype of the ALPA 12 MAX for the first time at the “Focus on Imaging” in Birmingham/UK (24 to 27 February 2008); stand Q26, “THE HUB”. Sales will start in spring 08.
New Products:
The ALPA 12 MAX accepts (like any other model of the ALPA 12 family of cameras):
- ALPA’s new ALPA 0° to 6° continuously adjustable tilt adapter. This new tilt adapter is usable with all lenses made by Schneider-Kreuznach of 80mm focal length and longer in their new “short barrel” versions - 80, 90, 100, 120, 150, 180, 210 and 250mm. In the search of maximum depth of field we also have got astonishing results with what we call “digital Scheimpflug”: www.heliconsoft.com
- ALPA’s new AFi/Hy6 back adapter (sales will start in spring 08)
- ALPA’s exclusive new 6x9 (56 x 83 mm) roll-film back adapter (sales will start in spring 08)
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I look forward for to more info and details as pre-production prototypes are viewed Focus on Imaging, and we get closer to this camera shipping.
Regards,
Jordan Miller
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That's exactly what I've been waiting for!
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any ideas on pricing?
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Jim,
it reads between $6000-$6500 USD body only!
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yikes! very interesting tho...
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ALPA has been kind enough to post a number of high-res, detail shots of the newly announced ALPA 12 MAX camera.
Pictures of the pre-series ALPA 12 MAX (http://www.alpa.ch/contactsheets/ALPA12MAX/)
As most are aware, pre-production prototypes of the 12 MAX were on-hand at Focus on Imaging late last month. It appears the camera is on track to be available by late June!
Regards,
Jordan Miller
01/31/07 Sneak Peak of the new ALPA 12 MAX
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There's actually a PDF has been on Alpa's site since Feb with this information on it. It also has all the available lens specs on it too.
I never thought to mention it last month... sorry!
J
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I am mainly referring to the photos in the link provided. These photos offer some details on the the ALPA 12 MAX not found in ALPA previous literature and nomenclature. Specifically some of the new features not found on other cameras from the ALPA 12 platfom. Zero shift position lock, back-shift tripod adapter, accessory attachments, integrated hand-grips, etc.
No to mention it helps to get an idea of scale and dimension, with accessories and lenses attached.
I would think this post has more interest for those members who were not fortunate enough to attend Focus on Imaging (myself included).
Regards,
Jordan Miller
There's actually a PDF has been on Alpa's site since Feb with this information on it. It also has all the available lens specs on it too.
I never thought to mention it last month... sorry!
J
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Sorry Jordan,
I wasn't criticising you, more apologising that I hadn't posted when I found it.
And I do appreciate the photos!
J
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Jon, I certainly did not take offense to your comment, nor did I feel you were being critical. No worries! Cheers!
Jordan Miller
Sorry Jordan,
I wasn't criticising you, more apologising that I hadn't posted when I found it.
And I do appreciate the photos!
J
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I had a chance to look at the Alpa 12 Max at Focus on Imaging and it's beautifully engineered. This was my first chance to see Alpa cameras in the flesh and they are engineered incredibly well. Especially loved the 12 SWA which I'm thinking about replacing my Hasselblad 503CW for.
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I see a special back adapter announced here for Leaf - but what about Phase?
is there a good easy 'wake-up' system for those backs?
surely as the biggest player in the field, and market leader, Alpa would want to concentrate on this, and deliver products from the first opportunity, no?
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I see a special back adapter announced here for Leaf - but what about Phase?
is there a good easy 'wake-up' system for those backs?
surely as the biggest player in the field, and market leader, Alpa would want to concentrate on this, and deliver products from the first opportunity, no?
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check this out - [a href=\"http://www.pixnoir.com]pixnoir[/url]
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All Alpa bodies have the same interchangeable lenses and backs.
Just get a Phase / your camera type adaptor plate and then choose how to sync. You can press the shutter twice within 5 seconds, use a two shot cable release, or a special Alpha release, or a Kapture group release.
Michael
I see a special back adapter announced here for Leaf - but what about Phase?
is there a good easy 'wake-up' system for those backs?
surely as the biggest player in the field, and market leader, Alpa would want to concentrate on this, and deliver products from the first opportunity, no?
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I see a special back adapter announced here for Leaf - but what about Phase?
is there a good easy 'wake-up' system for those backs?
surely as the biggest player in the field, and market leader, Alpa would want to concentrate on this, and deliver products from the first opportunity, no?
Alpa provides adapters for camera mounts, not for backs per se. For example, they offer adapters for a Mamiya AFD II mount, or a Contax mount, or a Hassy mount (and soon for the Hy6 mount). So if you have a Phase back with a Mamiya AFD II mount, or any other camera mount, you just use the corresponding camera mount adapter. So yes, any Phase with any of the supported camera mount adapters will fit on any Alpa body.
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As Mort indicated, the back adapter is a rather simple component. A PhaseOne back is going to have one of a few common interfaces available today. (ie. Hasselblad H-Series mount, Hasselblad V-Series mount, Mamiya 645AFD mount, or Contax 645AF mount) It is a matter of using the correct adapter for the interface of your back.
ALPA does have a few elegant "wake-up" solutions for use with both PhaseOne backs. These consist of custom-designed, accessory handgrips that incorporate a "wake-up" trigger, and necessary cables which plugs into the multi-port of the PhaseOne back and PC-sync terminal of your lens. Here is a link to the accessory handgrips: link (http://www.alpa.ch/index.php?path=products/cameras/hand_and_finger_grips&detailpage=262)
This allows you to wake up the back, and shortly there after manually release the shutter of lens, which will then properly sync with your back, via the cable provided.
Regards,
Jordan Miller
I see a special back adapter announced here for Leaf - but what about Phase?
is there a good easy 'wake-up' system for those backs?
surely as the biggest player in the field, and market leader, Alpa would want to concentrate on this, and deliver products from the first opportunity, no?
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Alpa provides adapters for camera mounts, not for backs per se. For example, they offer adapters for a Mamiya AFD II mount, or a Contax mount, or a Hassy mount (and soon for the Hy6 mount).
See ALPA AFi back adapter (http://www.alpa.ch/index.php?path=products/backs_adapters/digital_backs_and_adapters&detailpage=257) and ALPA AFi lens adapter (http://www.alpa.ch/index.php?path=products/lenses/lens_adapters_i_)
Seen and tested both, they work very well together
Yair
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ALPA’s new ALPA 0° to 6° continuously adjustable tilt adapter. This new tilt adapter is usable with all lenses made by Schneider-Kreuznach of 80mm focal length and longer in their new “short barrel” versions - 80, 90, 100, 120, 150, 180, 210 and 250mm.
Jordan,
Any pictures available of Alpa's new Tilt Adapter?
Thank you.
Joe Bossuyt
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Jordan,
Any pictures available of Alpa's new Tilt Adapter?
Thank you.
Joe Bossuyt
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Look there :
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PdF
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Does anybody know anything more about the Leica Multi-Viewfinder they show on some of their product photos? I've Googled it and come up blank. I presume it's a zoom finder, so I'm wondering what focal range it covers. Also, this viewfinder has two windows on the lens-facing side. Is one of them for a built-in meter? And finally, I'm wondering whether it's being sold new, or whether it's only available on the used market. Anybody have any details?
As for Alpa's new tilt mechanism, I've been searching for photos of it as well. It doesn't seem to show up in any of the images PdF pointed to.
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The viewfinder in the Alpa materials is the Leica Universal Wide-Angle Viewfinder M (http://en.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/accessories/viewfinder_accessories/2218.html). It's designed for the Tri-Elmar M and covers 16mm, 18mm, and 21mm for 24x36, which translates to 23mm, 26mm and 30mm if you use a 37x49mm chip.
The Leica Viewfinder for 21/24/28 mm Lenses (http://en.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/accessories/viewfinder_accessories/2208.html) is another option (translates to 30/34/40mm on the 37x49 chips).
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Mort,
The finder you mention is the LEICA UNIVERSAL WIDE-ANGLE VIEWFINDER M (http://en.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/accessories/viewfinder_accessories/2218.html). It is designed for use with the recently released Leica Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm f/4 ASPH.
The Leica Universal Wide-Angle Viewfinder M has brightline frames for the following 35mm focal lengths: 16mm, 18mm, 21mm, 24mm, and 28mm. This takes into account the Tri-Elmar-M lens being used on both a full-frame 35mm camera (M7 or MP), as well as the new M8, which has a smaller sensor, requiring a factor of 1.33X. This explains the intermediate focal lengths found on the finder.
Here are the approximate, 35mm angle of view specs from the finder settings: (diagonal, horizontal, vertical)
at 16mm: 107°, 97°, 74°
at 18mm: 100°, 90°, 67°
at 21mm: 90°, 80°, 59°
at 24mm: 84°, 74°, 53°
at 28mm: 75°, 65°, 46°
I have found the brightline frames in the Universal Wide-Angle Viewfinder M to correspond nicely to several focal lengths available from ALPA, Schneider, and Rodenstock. In addition, it has a convenient parallax compensation dial that enables adjustment of the frame to the focusing distance in five steps. It also incorporates an illuminated spirit level, along with optionally available, screw-in diopter correction lenses.
I believe it sells for approx. $850-$900
I have yet to see a single picture of the new ALPA 0° - 6° continouously adjustable tilt adapter anywhere on ALPA's site. Unless some one has some sneak-peek photos from Focus on Imaging, we are probably going to have to wait just a bit.
Regards,
Jordan Miller
Does anybody know anything more about the Leica Multi-Viewfinder they show on some of their product photos? I've Googled it and come up blank. I presume it's a zoom finder, so I'm wondering what focal range it covers. Also, this viewfinder has two windows on the lens-facing side. Is one of them for a built-in meter? And finally, I'm wondering whether it's being sold new, or whether it's only available on the used market. Anybody have any details?
As for Alpa's new tilt mechanism, I've been searching for photos of it as well. It doesn't seem to show up in any of the images PdF pointed to.
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Jordan and PMW - Thanks.
Jordan, if I understand correctly, the Leica accessory viewfinders have a fixed field of view with selectable brightlines to correspond to different focal lengths. I'd be more interested in a viewfinder with a true optically ZOOMABLE field of view that can handle from wide to moderate telephoto (say from 35mm up to 150 mm Schneider or Rodenstock lenses, i.e. 24mm to 105mm equivalent on a 37 x 49 digital sensor). Does the Linhof multifocus viewfinder fit the bill for that? I've never found anybody who could tell me if the Linhof has a true optically zoomed field of view, or if it simply extends the length of the barrel and constricts the field of view in that manner. Are you familiar with the Linhof viewfinder?
Regards,
Mort.
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Jordan and PMW - Thanks.
Jordan, if I understand correctly, the Leica accessory viewfinders have a fixed field of view with selectable brightlines to correspond to different focal lengths. I'd be more interested in a viewfinder with a true optically ZOOMABLE field of view that can handle from wide to moderate telephoto (say from 35mm up to 150 mm Schneider or Rodenstock lenses, i.e. 24mm to 105mm equivalent on a 37 x 49 digital sensor). Does the Linhof multifocus viewfinder fit the bill for that? I've never found anybody who could tell me if the Linhof has a true optically zoomed field of view, or if it simply extends the length of the barrel and constricts the field of view in that manner. Are you familiar with the Linhof viewfinder?
Regards,
Mort.
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I used to have the older Linhof viewfinder and all it did to change focal lengths was extend. It wasn't an optical zoom. The newer ones are probably the same.
Pete
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I used to have the older Linhof viewfinder and all it did to change focal lengths was extend. It wasn't an optical zoom. The newer ones are probably the same.
Pete
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I'm planning to buy the Mark Vb Director's viewfinder
[a href=\"http://www.filmtools.com/marvdirview.html]http://www.filmtools.com/marvdirview.html[/url]
with the Mark V Finder Wide Angle Lens
http://www.filmtools.com/marvfinwidan.html (http://www.filmtools.com/marvfinwidan.html)
Then I have 35 mm aquivalent focal length from 10 mm to 200 mm.
What's your opinion about that?
Christopher
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I'm planning to buy the Mark Vb Director's viewfinder
http://www.filmtools.com/marvdirview.html (http://www.filmtools.com/marvdirview.html)
with the Mark V Finder Wide Angle Lens
http://www.filmtools.com/marvfinwidan.html (http://www.filmtools.com/marvfinwidan.html)
Then I have 35 mm aquivalent focal length from 10 mm to 200 mm.
What's your opinion about that?
Christopher
Hi Christopher. I like the idea, and in fact had looked at it roughly 6 months ago. The main questions I still had on that approach after I had looked at it for awhile were:
(1) How to attach the finder to the camera body such that it is properly aligned with the optical axis. I called the manufacturer to try to find out if the body was a true cylinder, which would allow various forms of clamps to be used. But they couldn't tell me if it was a true cylinder, or a tapered tube, which would make things more difficult. I didn't want to buy something and then have to pay to have a precision mount machined.
(2) Is the Mark Vb a true optical zoom. It certainly looks like an optical zoom, but I called the company and couldn't find anybody that could give me a straight answer. I currently have a Kirsch directors viewfinder, and it looks a lot like the Mark Vb (only smaller), and it is NOT an optical zoom. At longer focal lengths, it's like looking thru a soda straw, and pretty much sucks.
(3) The final issue I had with it is there's no way to adjust for parallax. But for my kind of landscape shooting, I convinced myself this probably wasn't worth worrying about. However, I've mentioned it just in case it's an issue for your kind of shooting.
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I'm planning to buy the Mark Vb Director's viewfinder
http://www.filmtools.com/marvdirview.html (http://www.filmtools.com/marvdirview.html)
with the Mark V Finder Wide Angle Lens
http://www.filmtools.com/marvfinwidan.html (http://www.filmtools.com/marvfinwidan.html)
Then I have 35 mm aquivalent focal length from 10 mm to 200 mm.
What's your opinion about that?
Christopher
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does it have a hot shoe? If not it would be hard to attach it to the camera. there are a couple of director viewfinders and I have been interested in them in the past.
Voightlander makes a nice small lookdown finder with interchangeable elements for 21, 24 and perhaps another focal length. It is nice to use but tiny.
I am not a big fan of the Alpa viewfinder as it is so super wide and quite heavy. Does rotate vertical and horz from a fixed position: something you can't say for the leica or voightlander.
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does it have a hot shoe? If not it would be hard to attach it to the camera. there are a couple of director viewfinders and I have been interested in them in the past.
Voightlander makes a nice small lookdown finder with interchangeable elements for 21, 24 and perhaps another focal length. It is nice to use but tiny.
I am not a big fan of the Alpa viewfinder as it is so super wide and quite heavy. Does rotate vertical and horz from a fixed position: something you can't say for the leica or voightlander.
It does not have a hot shoe, hence my comments above about needing some kind of bracket to align it to the camera optical axis. Director's viewfinders are basically designed to be hand held by a director so he/she can preview a shot.
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It does not have a hot shoe, hence my comments above about needing some kind of bracket to align it to the camera optical axis. Director's viewfinders are basically designed to be hand held by a director so he/she can preview a shot.
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right. hard to frame accurately for a shot if not correctly mounted.
I like this new universal leica finder with the distance adjustments. Always bugged me that the framelines in the leica were made accurate for close distance where only 10% of shots are made and thus incorrect for the other 90 percent of shots. Couldn't believe that when I got my m6: no one had mentioned it to me and I found out when I got the film back and said: hey wait a minute....
This new alpa may be the best thing for architecture and stitching yet (though I do want to see the cambo wide RS if pictures of it ever appear). It appears that it has a disengage-able clutch so that you don't have to slowly winch the shift up and down. Also, it may allow you to mount the camera on its side so that you could shift the back up and down and the front sideways: which could be useful if you didn't want to use the odd tripod foot and wanted to stitch verticals with the lens fixed.
I haven't calculated it yet but I wonder how much the shift is vs. how much the square ground glass shows that Alpa currently produces (for previewing the entire image before shifting). I have the older 6x9 only glass for my SWA.
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Hi Mort54,
since I shoot with a Sinar p3 my only problem is to find the right distance from the objekt and the right lens to shoot with. Once built up the camera, I have live view to get the right position. So camera mount and parallax are not an issue for me.
When I have the director's viewfinder I can tell if it is a true optical zoom. I hope it's better than the Alpa viewfinder at long focal length.
I looked at the Voigtlander viewfinder, too. But they are 2:3 and I need 4:5. And you need one viewfinder for each lens. Also there are not the equivalent focal length available for my lenses 24mm (on 35mm camera >16mm), 35mm (>24mm), 60mm (>41mm), 80mm (55mm), 120mm (>83mm)
The Linhof viewfinder is even more expensive than the Alpa viewfinder.
I also looked at a "soup zoom lens" with focal length from 18 - 200 for my EOS 5D to use as viewfinder, but there are only zooms for APS-C cameras with that focal length.
Christopher
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Hi Mort54,
since I shoot with a Sinar p3 my only problem is to find the right distance from the objekt and the right lens to shoot with. Once built up the camera, I have live view to get the right position. So camera mount and parallax are not an issue for me.
When I have the director's viewfinder I can tell if it is a true optical zoom. I hope it's better than the Alpa viewfinder at long focal length.
I looked at the Voigtlander viewfinder, too. But they are 2:3 and I need 4:5. And you need one viewfinder for each lens. Also there are not the equivalent focal length available for my lenses 24mm (on 35mm camera >16mm), 35mm (>24mm), 60mm (>41mm), 80mm (55mm), 120mm (>83mm)
The Linhof viewfinder is even more expensive than the Alpa viewfinder.
I also looked at a "soup zoom lens" with focal length from 18 - 200 for my EOS 5D to use as viewfinder, but there are only zooms for APS-C cameras with that focal length.
Christopher
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Actually, the Voightlander viewfinder I was referring to is called the right angle finder and has attachments for 15, 21 and 24 mm perspectives (on 35mm) and, other than its proportions, might be worth looking at. I have mine taped on the sides to change the crop.
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I have yet to see a single picture of the new ALPA 0° - 6° continouously adjustable tilt adapter anywhere on ALPA's site. Unless some one has some sneak-peek photos from Focus on Imaging, we are probably going to have to wait just a bit.
Regards,
Jordan Miller
DTG (http://www.dtgweb.com)
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Jordan,
I just received this note and photo of the Alpa Tilt Adapter this morning:
Dear Mr. Bossuyt
Below you will find a picture of the prototype of our tilt/swing adapter (shown at the "Photo Plus" show in October 07). The serial adapter (tilt AND swing - depending on how you ut it to the camera; it fits ALL ALPA 12 models in all four directions [up/down tilting, left/right swinging]) will have a modified mechanism for the movements (0 - 6°).
Delivery will begin in the best case in June 2008 and in the worst case end of September 2008 - the manufacturing of the ALPA 12 MAX has a higher priority because we have got much more orders for this new camera than for our tilt/swing adapter (may be many people have not yet fully realized what they can do with this item...). By the way: because the tilt adapter adds 34mm to the flange focal distance we have to take away these 34mm elsewhere (otherwise you couldn't reach "infinity") - that's why we are offering all Schneider lenses of 80mm focal length and more (= 80, 90, 100, 120, 150, 180, 210 and 250mm) in a new "short barrel" version; only they (= only "short barrel" lenses) can be used with our tilt/swing back adapter.
Please do not hesitate to ask us any further questions concerning our cameras.
Best regards,
the ALPAs
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ALPA Capaul & Weber Ltd.
Neptunstrasse 96, POB 1858
CH-8032 Zurich, Switzerland
Phone: ++41-44-383 92 22
Fax: ++41-44-382 01 80
alpa@alpa.ch
www.alpa.ch
www.alpavision.ch
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Am 27.03.2008 um 22:18 schrieb Joseph M Bossuyt:
Hello Alpa,
Do you have any pictures of your new 0 to 6 Degree Tilt Adapter?
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Joe Bossuyt
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so it only tilts horizontal? or is it rotatable?
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The Alpa mount is square so you can probably mount the adapter for either tilt or swing.
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so it only tilts horizontal? or is it rotatable?
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It can tilt forward or, when fit back on the camera at 90 degrees, sideways. Like a lens board which it is a very fancy and expensive version thereof. Only with specially mounted lenses 80 and beyond.
Question is, do you have to use those lenses only with this tilting adaptor from then on? They have extension tubes which might be a solution. But basically, very limited. On the other hand it is also a tilting extention tube for closeups with non adapted lenses.
Arca Swiss on their new camera has the tilt built into the body.
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Bryanyc,
The ALPA 34mm Multi-Use Macro adapter (#450010034) ( link) (http://www.alpa.ch/index.php?path=products/lenses/lens_adapters_ii_&detailpage=184) can be used with the specially mounted, short-barrel lenses, to allow for proper, infinity focus.
Regards,
Jordan Miller
It can tilt forward or, when fit back on the camera at 90 degrees, sideways. Like a lens board which it is a very fancy and expensive version thereof. Only with specially mounted lenses 80 and beyond.
Question is, do you have to use those lenses only with this tilting adaptor from then on? They have extension tubes which might be a solution. But basically, very limited. On the other hand it is also a tilting extention tube for closeups with non adapted lenses.
Arca Swiss on their new camera has the tilt built into the body.
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It can tilt forward or, when fit back on the camera at 90 degrees, sideways. Like a lens board which it is a very fancy and expensive version thereof. Only with specially mounted lenses 80 and beyond.
Question is, do you have to use those lenses only with this tilting adaptor from then on? They have extension tubes which might be a solution. But basically, very limited. On the other hand it is also a tilting extention tube for closeups with non adapted lenses.
Arca Swiss on their new camera has the tilt built into the body.
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hm.
this does not convince me.
i like the alpa system and even more how good these cameras are made, but i dont understand their politic. still there is no sliding back, which is for me the most essential tool for an architecture camera. i dont like optical viewers for this kind of work and i dont like also the alternative, the permanent exchange of a mate screen with the back and vice versa,- more if i have to do this in complicate environments.
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I have taken literally hundreds of analog and digital shots with the tilt adapter and a Digitar 120 short barrel lens in the last few months.
The adapter is mounted on the camera back and as correctly already mentioned can be turned because of the square Alpa mount. This allows tilts in all four directions.
Regarding the f11 "limitation" for digital images, such an adapter really makes sense with the 120mm. It is sometimes surprising how much sharpness you can get even with f5.6. The adapter gives you a lot more freedom in image composition.
A 34mm extension tube is required for short barrel lenses when you don't have a tilt adapter.
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i dont like optical viewers for this kind of work and i dont like also the alternative, the permanent exchange of a mate screen with the back and vice versa,- more if i have to do this in complicate environments.
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Dear Rainer,
You will get use to it - I exchange screen/back maybe 50 times or more a day, It's not a problem, at least not for me.
I admit, It was scary the first couple a weeks, but now it's just a natural part of the workflow.
During the shoot I have a padded Lovepro lens-bag attached to the tripod - here I have the back ,and the air-blower, when it's not on the ALPA's - I find this a bit easier than putting the back, back in the case all the time.
Hope you are doing fine
Very best,
Adam
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Dear Rainer,
You will get use to it -
Hope you are doing fine
Very best,
Adam
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hope you + T.E. are doing fine also.....
brgds
rainer
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hm.
this does not convince me.
i like the alpa system and even more how good these cameras are made, but i dont understand their politic. still there is no sliding back, which is for me the most essential tool for an architecture camera. i dont like optical viewers for this kind of work and i dont like also the alternative, the permanent exchange of a mate screen with the back and vice versa,- more if i have to do this in complicate environments.
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Ah, its a complicated story .... slow wide angles with ground glass viewing don't work so well anyway...... you need a viewing cloth and the corners are always dark - reflex finders like the horseman don't work so well either- the binocular alpa 6x9 viewer that has an adjustable mirror is perhaps the best. I have gotten used to just getting an idea of the framing and not really seeing the image clearly on the ground glass. I believe it or not worked a lot traveling with fuji 6x9's which are just viewfinders- but reasonably accurate framing (better than a leica). I am hoping I can do the same with digital: use the viewfinder to rough in the composition and then check it via the shot on the digital back after exposure.