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Equipment & Techniques => Digital Cameras & Shooting Techniques => Topic started by: flashfredrikson on December 13, 2007, 02:44:53 pm
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Hi everybody,
just recieved the 1ds mk III and put it through a workflow test. I set up Eos Utilitiy to capture the pics to a folder on a three disk raid on a macpro 3ghz, and used the watchfolder import in lightroom. Works very well and i like lightroom more then c1 which I used for years and still use for tethering. As I am shooting mainly fashion I need the pics to fly in continously for sometimes 200 shots in a row. Works very well with the p45+, you almost never hit a buffer and keep on shooting until the hardrives starts smoking.
But what about the new uber-canon? With the lack of c1 support for it and that usb connection it is almost impossible to keep shooting, except you are willing to wait 5 to 6 seconds after every shot, so you don't risk to hit the 12 pic buffer. Because 5 to 6 seconds is what it needs eos utilitiy to get that raw out of the camera and write it to the harddrive (and that is an internal s-ata raid! surely fast enough...) And those 5 to 6 seconds don't even include rendering previews in lightroom nor that internal file transfering lightroom requires.
I am now keeping my fingers crossed for an update of c1, maybe they can do it faster... But for what it is now, the mkIII is a total disappointment workflow wise for my kind of work, with the AD and client sitting next to the monitor watching the work proceed, the operator checking exposure and fokus on the fly, shooting to cards (which works really good, btw) is not an option.
While waiting for that buffer of the mkIII to clear (12x5 sec) i can easily shoot a polaroid and develop it :-)
So what do you think, anyone has the same problem here? or is my canon broke?
cheers,
martin
ps: no, I didn't use an usb 1.0 cable, even i first thought i would...
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some more findings:
today i shot again with the old and trusty mkII, tethered to the same mac as the mk III yesterday, it takes 3 seconds to write that file to the hd, no matter if you use eos utility or c1. twice as fast as the mk III, which allows for an very continous shooting rhythm... then i just tested the mk III again, using different cables, different computers, different harddrives... the assistant pulled out his iphone stopwatch, 6 to 7 seconds for each capture to be written to the hd.
it really seems usb is the bottleneck (one reader wrote me that usb is slowed down by apple on macs? i never had that impression, but who knows...)
Maybe i will try to get a pci card with usb and connect the cam there, maybe that speeds things up (and and express card for the laptop).
All in all, up to now I have to say i really like the new canon, especially the viewfinder is a pleasure to use. But if this tethering won't speed up somehow (magicians, please step in), this camera is only worth the half to me and anyone considering it for a similar workflow.
martin
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Aren't you supposed to use the FireWire port for tethered shooting? On the 1D-MkII the USB port only works for connecting directly to a printer, and for tethered shooting the FireWire port is mandatory.
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There is no firewire connection in 1Ds3...
Cheers,
J
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Are you measuring transfer rates, or the fact that it takes longer to transfer a 1Ds3 raw file vs. a 1Ds2 file? Remember the 1Ds3 files are considerably larger, more megapixels plus more bits per megapixel. The USB vs. Firewire may also be a factor, but that will be PC-dependent. Some USB implementations work better than others.
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Are you using the same computer as before, or a different one? I ask because aside from the speed of the USB port speed *in that computer* (USB port speed varies), the transfer rate is also dependent upon the speed of the hard drive.
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I do not have one yet but can you send just the jpg and save the raw on a card?
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5-6 seconds is about the same as I get downloading to a 12" PowerBook. Given the increase in file size I don't find that too bad actually. You don't have to wait for the file to download by the way before taking the next shot. I shot 4-5 images right after one each other today and they just cued up and downloaded in sequence.
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Hi Phila and all,
if thats ok for your workflow, the mkIII is your camera, for my kind of work it makes the camera more or less useless when shooting tethered (which I do almost always), one photo every 6 seconds after you hit the buffer, my p45+ is 3 to 4 times faster when shooting a lot of pictures in a row.
Checked the file size of both the mkII and mkIII, around 15 MB vs 20 MB, always depending on the subject of course, so the bigger files are not the explanation for that lousy transferring perfomance. P45 rawfiles are around 40MB and they transfer much faster, just for comparison...
And I tried it on several macs, harddrives, raid sets, but with this relatively small file size, the hd performance doesn't come into play much.
maybe a windows user can chime in here, maybe usb 2.0 is really faster on pcs?
martin
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Now wait a second - if you shoot the III at the same pace as what the P45+ is able to achieve (and not at the pace that the III can achieve, even tethered (which is a ton faster)) you are not going to fill the buffer. So your complaint is bogus.
I have the sIII and tested it on a PC laptop and I find the speed to be similar to the sII on firewire - using the very same laptop. Now I am not going to get out my measuring stick because it really doesn't matter. The speed is similar and I am satisfied.
I shoot national advertising campaigns, tethered to a laptop - so I surely could have the right to bitch if I wanted to - rather, I just adjusted to what tools I have to work with and shoot on.
Your apple ain't an orange.
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Hi Gehle. thanks for your helpful comment.
Now wait a second - if you shoot the III at the same pace as what the P45+ is able to achieve (and not at the pace that the III can achieve, even tethered (which is a ton faster)) you are not going to fill the buffer. So your complaint is bogus.
I hit the buffer everytime, even if i shoot a frame every two seconds, which is still slower than the phase back. do the maths. of course you can take 12 quick frames in a row, or 20 slow ones, but then it comes down to one every 6 seconds.
I have the sIII and tested it on a PC laptop and I find the speed to be similar to the sII on firewire - using the very same laptop. Now I am not going to get out my measuring stick because it really doesn't matter. The speed is similar and I am satisfied.
Would be interesting to know if your the mkIII is as fast as the mkII, or is it as slow?
I shoot national advertising campaigns, tethered to a laptop - so I surely could have the right to bitch if I wanted to - rather, I just adjusted to what tools I have to work with and shoot on.
me too, an for me the mkII works better when tethered. and i am not bitchin, i think this is a big problem with the mkIII, at least for me and my work. if its fine for you, lucky you. But you know, I am just looking for help here.
martin
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have you turned on any of the noise reducing Cfunctions? This will really slow down tethered shooting. I mean really slow it down.
Specifically, CFn II #1 , # 2 & #3.
Edit:
I just went and timed my setup and the images appear in 2-3 seconds using a Dell Inspiron 9400, the Canon supplied USB cable & DPP - very similar to the timing for the II on Firewire - yes, maybe a bit slower but nothing any AD is going to notice - I hardly notice the difference.
Check those CFunctions.
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Thanks Gehle for timing this.
Boy, I think it really is the mac's usb ports...
Tried again today using an other laptop, using different cables, using an expresscard with usb instead of the build in usb ports, all custom functions were turned off (do they apply to the raws btw?), the writing times remain the same, whatever setup I use, around 6 seconds/file.
Would love to have those 2 to 3 your dell does...
A workaround I tried is only transferring JPGs to the computer, saving the raws to a cf card, works pretty well and now it is really fast. (then one could also use the wtf thing, nice thought, bye bye cable!)
But you will have a lot more work afterwards, as you cannot correct the raws already whlie shooting, selections made during the shoot will only be available on the jpgs then and all this stuff which made it so comfy shooting the mkII to c1pro.
or I will just shoot some polaroids tethered an then unplug.
or I buy a pc... not!
thanks again,
martin
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Faster tethered shooting is essential nowadays for many shooters - myself included. Who wants to shoot models when your digital tech can't check focus on location until you've already had the model change poses? 6 seconds is way too much for me. I've worked with P45's and A65's and they download much faster to their respective programs. Perhaps the new Capture One will handle these files faster (let's hope so). I shot a job yersterday with the 1dsmk2 and files were getting to my Mac Book Pro in under 2 secs. That's about as long as I'd like it to take!
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thats really bad news...
apple will never change that, as long as they keep on supporting firewire I guess.
but at least it makes things clearer and canon is not to blame, even if most pros use apple (at least every working pro I know, might be different in japan :-) )
cheers,
martin
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That makes sense re Mac favoring firewire. I've had issues transferring files via USB b/u drives on new Macs that puzzled me because the transfer was not nearly as fast as USB2 claims.
Perhaps its time someone made a firewire to USB adapter or perhaps there will be a PCI card solution for this in the future? I too shoot almost exclusively tethered and find the 2 second transfer annoying so this is certainly going to delay my 1Ds3 purchase.
Switch to PC??? Not bloody likely
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Switch to PC??? Not bloody likely
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Well buying a cheap Dell box with XP or Linux and setting it up to simply transfer files coming in straight to the RAID system would seem to be a cheap and effective solution.
No need to switch all your machines to Windows! They're just tools right? Same as camera brands. If one marque is letting you down for a specific purpose then just use a different tool.
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Macs have always had poor implementation of USB, not unlike virtually non-existent 6-pin firewire on a PC notebook. Additionally, firewire is an Apple spec (in 6-pin implementation), so they would always favor their own technology. But, you aren't the only one with USB problems. I owned (for a short period) an Acer Ferrari notebook. Supposed to be souped up performance, etc. I discovered that the USB ports maxed out at 12Mbps -- about 1/3 the transfer speed of my desktop and other older notebooks -- when using external hard drives. It turned out to be a design flaw Acer would not acknowledge and couldn't repair after two returns. This limited tethered shooting (which I only do occasionally) as well.
Why not do what another poster suggested -- run Boot Camp and use the USB ports at faster speeds under Windows. Not ideal for a Mac guy, but cheaper than a new computer. Canon's DPP software disk is both PC and Mac. Though you seem to like using Lightroom, what about using EOS Utility and DPP for your workflow under Windows to get max speed? Honestly, any tech or assistant should know how to work both operating systems. I wouldn't dream of using someone who didn't because I go back and forth. (Either way, I know more than they do anyway.)
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I use a G4 Powerbook with an external firewire hard drive. I have always assumed the firewire is way quicker than USB because anything I plugged into USB seemed very slow by comparison. Until I got a USB iPod! I use it as an external hard drive on location, e.g. backing up photos at weddings and so on. File transfer on that is super quick, really similar to the firewire hard drive. So I guess Mac is playing a naughty little game with us - they obviously do not want their own iPod to run slow but do want other manufacturer's gear to be slower on USB!
I believe you can get a multiple USB hub which plugs into the firewire port. This should overcome the whole problem and keep your workflow simple. Not sure where in the world you are but a simple Google search should turn one up. Good luck,
Don.
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Never heard of a firewire to usb hub or adaptor, didn't find anything on the web like that also. As USB and firewire are two different protocols, I think that is something impossible, but pleas correct me.
I already tried an expresscard34 to usb card on my macbook pro, but that didn't speed up things. not at all.
cheers,
martin
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Maybe you are right. I remember a few years ago when I only had USB1 that someone proposed the hub as a solution. I had a quick look and the nearest I found was something like this: http://computers.pricegrabber.com/usb-fire...890921/details/ (http://computers.pricegrabber.com/usb-firewire-devices/m/9890921/details/) . I have to go to work now but will chase this up out of interest later.
Don.
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Hi
I know this might be off topic. USB 3.0 will be coming out next year & it will be 10X faster than USB 2.0. Looking ahead where does this leave fire wire? It seems to be a MAC thing & yes all MFD use FW . If USB 3.0 comes out can the 1DsIII be upgraded with a new USB port??? Looking into the future with this USB 3.0 speed claim plus eSata on drives, I see FW will loose more ground. Maybe now I understand why Canon has dropped FW.
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Can someone please clue me in on how you set up the 1Ds MKIII to transfer only the jpg image when shooting tethered while leaving the raw on the card?
Also, firewire speeds will quadruple with the next version and will continue to use the FW 800 connection.
http://www.1394ta.org/Press/2007Press/december/12.12.a.htm (http://www.1394ta.org/Press/2007Press/december/12.12.a.htm)
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If you can get me a new 1DsIII (which I would pay for), I'll be happy to give you the full process ...
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I'll tell you what I've been telling everyone else: call Jody at Roberts in Indy.
http://www.robertsimaging.com/ (http://www.robertsimaging.com/)
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Can someone please clue me in on how you set up the 1Ds MKIII to transfer only the jpg image when shooting tethered while leaving the raw on the card?
Set the camera up to record the RAW to one card and the JPG to the other (doesn't matter which). Then set the playback to be from the card with the JPG files. That will send the JPG via the WFT. In other words, the files on the card set to play back are the files sent thru the WFT.
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This slow tethering situation with the 1dsmk3 sounds serious. I'm a studio product and fashion shooter and always shoot with my 1Ds MKII tethered to a mac. The previews appear after 4 seconds, which is already too slow for some of the work we do. Apart from changing platforms, which I wouldn't consider, what can be done? My dealer in Toronto just called me and said he has a 1DS MKIII waiting with my name on it, but I told him to sell it to someone else!
P.S. Forgot to mention that I'm using Capture One PRo 3.7.7
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This slow tethering situation with the 1dsmk3 sounds serious. I'm a studio product and fashion shooter and always shoot with my 1Ds MKII tethered to a mac. The previews appear after 4 seconds, which is already too slow for some of the work we do. Apart from changing platforms, which I wouldn't consider, what can be done? My dealer in Toronto just called me and said he has a 1DS MKIII waiting with my name on it, but I told him to sell it to someone else!
P.S. Forgot to mention that I'm using Capture One PRo 3.7.7
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It's amazing. I'd love for camera designers to actually come on a shoot with me. I have such a list of complaints. They probably think we're all a bunch of whiners that are never happy but in reality, ours is a fickle business and one mistake can drastically alter a career. As an example, look at the ZD. If it cost just $1,000 more they could have added more robust tethering, a larger LCD and still taken more profit. My guess is that the ZD would now be the camera of choice for many shooters if they had done these things. The 1ds3 has some nice features for sure but once again, who among us wouldn't trade in the extra 4 MP for added DR? Or faster tethering. Or solid lenses that come with a nice 4 or 5-year warranty. Or a normal-sized body!!! Ahhh, screw it. Life's too short. But I will say this, I feel like this whole industry is treading water right now. Each platform has its problems and it seems as if none of the important limitations are being remedied while all of the unimportant ones are being improved. Sorry for the rant...
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Mike,
As far as rants go, that was pretty tame- you could have done way more damage!
And you're right, it's hard to understand what their criteria might be when making these decisions- "Yeah, the 6 pin firewire socket was a little too reliable on the 1Ds, lets go to a 4 pin for the next one". And now "Gee, that 4 pin wasn't nearly as good as the 6 pin firewire- let's drop the firewire completely and go to something that's slower and isn't really mac compatible. No one is using macs anymore."
I thought that the 1Ds series of cameras were studio cameras (someone told me the 's' stands for studio), so the irony meter is off the chart with the lack of practical tethering. Apparently the wft transmitter only works smoothly when sending jpegs to the computer, so forget about checking focus on the "big shoot". Just not practical...
I practically wore out the keys on my computer tracking the 1Ds MkIII on rumour sites and forums over the last year. I've told clients about it, things like "I know my competitor uses a Phase One, but just wait till the new Canon camera comes out, and I'm first in line!" Or how about this gem..."I'm getting the new wireless transmitter for it too- that will solve all these cable problems!"- as I reattach the cable to the body with duct tape (once again, because I actually removed it from the stand for one handheld shot), while my client stands there in his $400.00 blue jeans. I've used Phase and Hasselblad and just want a camera like the 1Ds MkII that works so well for my business- fashion in the morning, packaging photography in the afternoon, and high end event photography a few evenings a year. My clients want to see the image on the big monitor or the laptop, so I'm seriously thinking of switching to something else, like Phase, because they seem to understand tethering (but not wireless, unfortunately). Whatever I decide won't affect Canon's business model one way or another, but this is a serious letdown...
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I guess we can just sum it up like this:
MIRROR LOCKUP BUTTON
The 1d's are hilarious! They have a gazillion buttons and look like something out of a 1980's sci-fi film but they have no MLU! Come on!!! You put a heavy AA filter on the chip but then make it a PITA to get to MLU. Oi VEY!
In the end, maybe they know best. Maybe more hobbiest photogs buy these things than actual shooters. That would be the only explanation for all of this that makes any sense!
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Jens I'm with you all the way. I've been waiting with drool on my chin for the "s" mk3 for so long and then USB?? So I give them the benefit of the doubt figuring hmm well maybe they got it working fast. Now these posts...Shame really to come so close...
Fow what its worth just to lay my own thoughts about quality; I dont really buy ANY of the garb about the 21mp Canon being so FAR inferior to the Phase backs thats B.S. I've been shooting with Phase since the original lightphase 6mp back on Hassey's and now an H20 and I can tell you without a doubt at 100 ISO the Canon IDs ( even mk1 as far as I'm concerned ) was soooooo damn close only losing out in "default" sharpness and a smidgen in color balance. Through Phae via Firweire the transfer speed was tolerable in previous 1D bodies but now sadly this USB slow transfer crap is likely making me look into a new Pseries phase instead of the mk3.
Still I can wait a little while and will rent a Mk3 and try it for myself just to be certain before I close the book on this one. But these testimonies are certainly enough to keep me from purchasing one now. I run everything through Capture One and in fact it was the only reason i bought an original 1Ds in the first place was because of the Capture One/Canon compatibility. If you recall the very first version of "Capture one" was for the 1Ds only. Software was identical to lightphase just a new name and a new direction. I wonder if Phase is happy about that now though???
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" Apparently the wft transmitter only works smoothly when sending jpegs to the computer, so forget about checking focus on the "big shoot". "
I was going to do just this, send jpgs via the wifi and shoot raws to the CF card, seems like a great way to shoot. I am wondering what you mean about not being able to check sharpness, if the jpg is on focus wont the raw file be in focus as well?
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Billy,
Jpegs don't do it for my workflow because you can't use the focus tool in C1 Pro to check critical focus of a jpeg- it only works on raws. The art director on the majority of the fashion shoots that we do likes to check fine focus of the eyes during the shoot, as do I, and even on our 30" monitor, you can't tell what's sharp until you use the focus tool. We're often waiting a minute for the buffer to write to the hard drive before we can check focus- the shots just keep coming in one after the other after I've stopped shooting. This is with the MKII.
It is amazing how difficult it is sometimes to get the focus just right, but I do find that the autofocus does a good job of locking on. Recently I discovered that my 17-40mm is back-focusing- the shots looked good in the viewfinder and on the monitor and the model was changing back into her street clothes when I checked with the focus tool and discovered the back wall was sharp, but not her! Called her back into the room and spent 5 minutes reshooting. If I had been downloading cards, she would have been gone by the time it was noticed. Always, always use the focus tool to check the sharpness of your raw images!
Just to answer Dansk, I don't really want to get into the differences between MB and 1ds. I've used both and to be honest, the Phase H20 I used for years (I know, it's old in digital years) produced sharper images than the MKII, and that was using older Hasselblad lenses on a V body. But it was a pain to use and the first 1ds i bought was a real breath of fresh air. Imagine, shooting wideangle again! And it wouldn't fail just at the critical moment. The only time my MKII failed was at the very end of an intense 5 day shoot, after 12,000 exposures in one week. There were over 200,000 captures on that shutter which Canon swapped out while I shot with a loaner. If that had been Phase, the back would have stopped working on the first morning (I shouldn't be this harsh, but it's funny how it always screwed up at the worst possible moment- it could sense these things). And then the back would have been shipped to Denmark, via New York, while I rented an expensive replacement. I rented a Digiflex once and used older Nikon lenses, and that was a sweet combination for sharpness of images, significantly sharper than the older German glass. But clumsy. It's all a little bit clumsy, except for the Canon, which had great promise as a studio camera in it's newest form, but it just doesn't work for me- not yet anyway.
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Same problem with the mkIII and the MacBook with dpp. Very fast with my mkII very slow with the mkIII.
It is the perfect storm of Canon cheaping out and going with USB 2 and Apple not really trying too hard with the USB drivers to make sure firewire stays faster.
It seems that Boot Camp and Windows is the way to go for starters. I'm running 10.4 and it seems that the only way to get boot camp now is with Leopard. I was under the impression that DPP does not work with Leopard. Anyone know a link to get a stand alone version?
One of the earlier posters mentioned sending the raws to the card and jpgs to the laptop, how do you configure that? It did not seem to be an option on DPP/EOS Utility.
Thanks!
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This would have to be remedied before I even thought of buying this camera. I'd love to hear more reports from people about this!
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I talked to Canon in the Netherlands and told them about this forum.
They did a little test friday afternoon and I was told that on a PC it took 4 sec and on a intel mac it is 6 sec. With my 1DsmarkII tethered FW it takes 4 seconds for a 10,5MB rawfile (MacbookPro)
I will do the test this afternoon myself with a 1DsmarkIII
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One of the earlier posters mentioned sending the raws to the card and jpgs to the laptop, how do you configure that? It did not seem to be an option on DPP/EOS Utility.
Thanks!
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You don't set it with DPP, you set it with the camera.
Now, this applies to using the WFT-E2A. I don't know about a physical tether, but I think it would work the same.
Configure the camera to write a CR2 to one card and a JPG to the other. Then, set the camera to playback from the JPG card. When you enable the WFT, if you go back and look at the menu where you set which card gets which file format, you'll now see a third option for the WFT, but it isn't selectable, it just matches whatever card is set for playback.
My 1DmkIII is out getting a blue dot right now. When it gets back I can make some screen shots, if it helps.
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My little test with counting twentyone, twentytwo, ....
All on MacBookPro with Leopard
P30+ tethered with CaptureOne 25mb 4 sec FW
1DsmarkII with EOS Utility 12mb 4 sec FW
1DsmarkIII with EOS Utility 20mb 6 sec USB2
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Note: The splitting of RAWs and jpgs does not seem to be able to be implemented using a tether and DPP. (ie: RAW to card and jpg to computer)
That said...
Here is pretty good news. I updated my Mac to Leopard and via Boot Camp I installed Windows XP Family, the Canon DPP software, and a program called Mac Drive 7 from:
http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/bootcamp/ (http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/bootcamp/).
Mac Drive allows the windows partitioned laptop to see the mac side partition of the drive,
as well as Mac formated external drives. I allocated 8 gigs for the Windows partition. I am
not planning on keeping any files in it due to Mac Drive and the OS takes up a little over 5
gigs.
Getting everything installed and sorted does take some time but Boot Camp walks you
through it.
So to capture...while in Windows I set a folder in the Mac side of the drive to receive the
CR2 files. I opened DPP and the EOS utility. The file transfer time from the mkIII to my
MacBook (2.16 ghz/2 gig ram) went from around 6 seconds with the MacOS to about 2
seconds with Windows xp. Much more importantly however I could easily shoot 15 plus
images rapidly before the buffer hit and when it does the camera captures do not come to
a halt as with the MacOS but cleared quickly, incrementally, and allowed for more
shooting.
The handling, capture speed, data transfer seems very similar to how the mkII worked
with the same laptop with the MacOS and Fire Wire
So in my opinion mkIII/DPP/USB 2/tethered and the MacOS are basically not compatible
with shooting any action basically due to Canon's use of USB 2 and Apple's poor USB driver
speed.
But with a Windows laptop or with an Intel/Mac machine with Boot Camp the capture
speed and buffer seems robust. I have not tried the other Mac VM programs Fusions or
Parallels. These allow you to run both Mac and Windows at the same time (my
understanding is that Fusions might be better for this). It would seem that these may be a
little slower with more memory overhead but I'm not sure.
The bad news here is if you have a Mac you have to upgrade Leopard, and/or get Fusion, buy Windows, and fuss around with all that entails. The good news if you have a Mac/Intel at least you can take advantage of this new camera in the tethered mode and shoot action.
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Thanks Steve for trying this, thats really some good news. Seems about time to get into the windows world, at least via boot camp.
And here comes the question: Do you ever use Capture One? If yes, are the sessions and all the little files written by C1 while shooting using MS Windows readable by C1 on a Mac?
The idea would be to only use C1 Windows for tethering (in my case to a MacbookPro), then when back to the studio work on the sessions on the MacPro.
cheers,
martin
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Thanks Steve for trying this, thats really some good news. Seems about time to get into the windows world, at least via boot camp.
And here comes the question: Do you ever use Capture One? If yes, are the sessions and all the little files written by C1 while shooting using MS Windows readable by C1 on a Mac?
The idea would be to only use C1 Windows for tethering (in my case to a MacbookPro), then when back to the studio work on the sessions on the MacPro.
cheers,
martin
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That sounds promising I'd like to know about this too?
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I did use C1 in the MacOS with the 1DsmkII. Since C1 is not compatible with the mkIII yet I have not used it recently. What I’m sure I’ll do is when they get around to updating the program I’ll probably get the Windows version as opposed to the Mac because of the USB issues. I’ve never done any other testing with C1.
For what this may be worth, when I talked to a Phase sales person at Photo Expo he said they were expecting an updated version of the program in April. Who knows if there is any reality in that statement.
Also I did test the Fusions program that allows the MacOS and WindowsOS to run at the same time. As I had suspected the performance was not as good as Windows with BootCamp, it was more like the MasOS.
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hi folks,
some good and bad news on this topic.
good:
usb 2.0 is almost twice as fast on a mac running os x 10.5 leopard, apple seems to have removed that handbreak in the usb drivers. I just checked that with copying files on and from an external usb harddisc on my working machine (10.4) and on the new office I-mac running leopard.
bad:
canon eos utility is not yet supporting leopard
capture one pro 3.7.8 is still not available, just read on the phase forums that it is due these days, but the phase guy didn't know if it will support the new canon, some problems with canon sdks (wahtever that is)
conclusion: still waiting, but light at the end of the tunnel
cheers,
martin
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hi folks,
some good and bad news on this topic.
good:
usb 2.0 is almost twice as fast on a mac running os x 10.5 leopard, apple seems to have removed that handbreak in the usb drivers. I just checked that with copying files on and from an external usb harddisc on my working machine (10.4) and on the new office I-mac running leopard.
bad:
canon eos utility is not yet supporting leopard
capture one pro 3.7.8 is still not available, just read on the phase forums that it is due these days, but the phase guy didn't know if it will support the new canon, some problems with canon sdks (wahtever that is)
conclusion: still waiting, but light at the end of the tunnel
cheers,
martin
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Well thats promising news thanks Martin. It would seem more than ever the heat is on for Capture One to step up and deliver a home run. They are already under fire for the awkward work flow of 4 so when the new Pro4 comes out I sure as heck hope it deals with these issues somewhat gracefully.
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hi folks,
some good and bad news on this topic.
good:
usb 2.0 is almost twice as fast on a mac running os x 10.5 leopard, apple seems to have removed that handbreak in the usb drivers. I just checked that with copying files on and from an external usb harddisc on my working machine (10.4) and on the new office I-mac running leopard.
bad:
canon eos utility is not yet supporting leopard
capture one pro 3.7.8 is still not available, just read on the phase forums that it is due these days, but the phase guy didn't know if it will support the new canon, some problems with canon sdks (wahtever that is)
conclusion: still waiting, but light at the end of the tunnel
cheers,
martin
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This is not true, see my post on the 7th.
Leopard works with eos-utility
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FWIW, SDK = Software Development Kit, a set of software libraries and utilities that Canon and other companies provide third parties to access and process their RAW data files, cameras, etc.
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Hi
We just shot about 500 images today in an hour for an important editorial shoot with the 1DsIII into our G5 tower 2.3 gig/3gig ram. We shot tethered ( raw ) with no card in the camera & both of us did not hit the buffer once. This was our first big shoot with the camera & my partner did not notice the camera it performed with out a hitch. I felt like we were shooting with the EOS 1 film camera. The big bonus was that we got shots that we would have missed with MFD. It was the first time I spent more time looking through the camera than spending time at the monitor so to speak. It was a great day with a great camera.
Thanks Denis
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Denis was that with leopard OS?
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Sounds good Denis,
Which software did you use to tether and how quickly did the previews show up on your monitor?
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more good news:
just got the new MacPro 8x3.2 Ghz running 10.5 leopard, installed eos utility (even though it said it only supports 10.3-10.4) connected the 1ds mkIII with the delievered usb cable and shot to the internal hd.
4sec to write the file to the hd, we're back to the old transfering speeds of the mkII with firewire, which is great, although i hoped for a little more speed.
Now only phase needs to get out 3.7.8 pro for leopard with canon support and everythin is back to normal.
Looking forward to really being able to use that canon now.
cheers,
martin
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Denis was that with leopard OS?
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Hi
OS 4.9 & with EOS Utility. I did not check how long the images were coming up. I am more concerned about hitting a buffer & not being able to shoot. This did not happen which was excellent.
Denis
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i was getting 5 sec for mk3 file to get into my macbookpro dual 2ghz/2 gig ram, 7200 drive, and i wanted to improve the rate, so i just installed leopard. now its 7 secs!
not sure what ive done wrong, but its bloody slow.
pretty much unusable.
im pissed off. i dont know what i can do. i dont want to have to give up on canon, but the files are great, but i have to be able to tether fast.
paul
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i was getting 5 sec for mk3 file to get into my macbookpro dual 2ghz/2 gig ram, 7200 drive, and i wanted to improve the rate, so i just installed leopard. now its 7 secs!
not sure what ive done wrong, but its bloody slow.
pretty much unusable.
im pissed off. i dont know what i can do. i dont want to have to give up on canon, but the files are great, but i have to be able to tether fast.
paul
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what software are you using? I was hoping to tether to the canon software and then have C1 Pro import the files automatically, is that what you are doing? Is it possible? My other option will be to use the wifi adaptor to send jpgs to the computer and then shoot raws to the card(which will then be imported to C1 Pro ). Right now its actually easier for me to shoot w/ my Phase back/contax combo which used to 'more difficult' than my 1ds mk2, which I sold to get the 1Ds mk3.
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what software are you using? I was hoping to tether to the canon software and then have C1 Pro import the files automatically, is that what you are doing? Is it possible? My other option will be to use the wifi adaptor to send jpgs to the computer and then shoot raws to the card(which will then be imported to C1 Pro ). Right now its actually easier for me to shoot w/ my Phase back/contax combo which used to 'more difficult' than my 1ds mk2, which I sold to get the 1Ds mk3.
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hi billy, i am only using the canon software to tether. then use c1 for the rest. c1 still doesnt tether to 1dsmk3s. i also find the h1/p25 better to tether.
since ive installed leopard, everything on the laptop is a little slower. i wonder if its a computer speed thing? i might try leopard on my 2.4 imac and see if that runs faster.
paul
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Hi
I know this might be off topic. USB 3.0 will be coming out next year & it will be 10X faster than USB 2.0. Looking ahead where does this leave fire wire? It seems to be a MAC thing & yes all MFD use FW . If USB 3.0 comes out can the 1DsIII be upgraded with a new USB port??? Looking into the future with this USB 3.0 speed claim plus eSata on drives, I see FW will loose more ground. Maybe now I understand why Canon has dropped FW.
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There is also FW3200 in the works, using the same cable as fw800...
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Hey guys,
I am a digital operator from Sydney Australia, I advise and assist photographers in all things digital photography. In general when it is possible I always prefer a tethered setup, since some have transfered over to the 1ds mkiii we have been getting very slow transfers on the macbook pro.
Our current tests reveal the following
Macbook pro + Tiger and Eos Utility - 8 secs (shutter depress in MF to file finished transfer)
Macbook pro + Leopard and Eos Utility - 9 secs
Macbook pro + Leopard under VMware fusion and XP - 3-4 secs
Obviously the system is pretty capable of getting that 3-4 second transfer speed but it sounds like we have to bypass the apple drivers (as a side note apple suck in a big way for degrading usb for their own marketing bs, people that use these as a tool for their jobs are affected pretty heavily).
So to do that, we concidered the expresscard 34 USB adapter but it didn't seem to work for someone in an earlier post. The next step was some kind of FW400 to USB adapter solution but we are having trouble finding product portable enough to do it and anyone that has had great success with it.
So does anyone have any suggestions or a solution that has worked for them???
p.s. We are using EOS Utility plus Lightroom as our workflow
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Hey guys,
Obviously the system is pretty capable of getting that 3-4 second transfer speed but it sounds like we have to bypass the apple drivers (as a side note apple suck in a big way for degrading usb for their own marketing bs, people that use these as a tool for their jobs are affected pretty heavily).
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I can't help noticing that transferring files via USB to my USB-only iPod video is just as fast as transferring to my firewire external drive, which suggests Apple's built in speed restriction can be overcome. So, here's a thought - the MacBook Air is USB-only. Has anyone tried using one of them for tethered shooting? They also have a weight advantage and have got quite cheap lately.
Don.
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At the moment running Windows via boot camp or fusion seems to be the only solution, even if i hate it. As far as i know there are no hardware solutions available as it all depends on apple's shitty usb drivers. So forget about expresscards and all that. For the moment i just shoot a few frames tethered an then continue shooting to cf cards. Or just don't use canon.
Also see the thread in the mf forums.
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i have been shooting tethered with just sending small jpegs to the computer, and writing raw to the cf card. its very fast, under a second transfer and viewing to a macbookpro 2.4.
although the jpeg is small, its still twice the size of the 17inch screen, and you can use it to check focus- not pixel sharp- but ive found thatyou can see the sharpness pretty well.
this is the only way ive found that works with the speed of the mk3. and its worked well with dpp/eos capture for over a dozen shoots with me now.
but canon software is very, very dodgey. crashes often, for ex, ive been doing car rig shots and controlling the camera with the computer with eos capture. but if i use live view, it crashes straight after every time. when you fill a cf card and need to replace it, it crashes.
paul
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I've used a Dual G4 w/ OS 10.x for the last 7 years as our tethering 'puter in the studio. When shooting with the 1Ds1 & 1Ds2 transfers via firewire were fast and consistent. As noted in this thread, 1Ds3 + USB = dog slow on this kind of system. Last week I bought an iMac 24" with OS 10.5.3 and now USB transfers are just as fast as the firewire transfers. In a shoot today, I'd capture 10 - 20 shots at a burst and the system kept up. No faults, no dropped frames, no unhappy clients.
I'm now wishing for a wireless transfer rate with equal speed.
From what I've gleaned on various internet geek sites, the USB + 10.4 + PowerPC had slow transfers due to a high transfer protocol "overhead".
p.s. I was using EOS utility as the interface software, and opening everything up in DPP. My initial reactions are here (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26200).
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Perhaps its time someone made a firewire to USB adapter or
Take a LOOK here if by chance this is what your looking for: http://usbfirewire.com/uadapters.html (http://usbfirewire.com/uadapters.html)
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Take a LOOK here if by chance this is what your looking for: http://usbfirewire.com/uadapters.html (http://usbfirewire.com/uadapters.html)
from their site:
It sounds great, but is it Mac compatible?
Unfortunately our cable is not Mac compatible. However, it is compatible only with Windows XP.