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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: Tim Gray on October 30, 2007, 03:49:58 pm
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Just when we thought 32gig CFs were big...
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous...7/10/ion_memory (http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2007/10/ion_memory)
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Just when we thought 32gig CFs were big...
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous...7/10/ion_memory (http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2007/10/ion_memory)
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I wouldn't call it a breakthrough until it breaks through. Remember bubble memory?
George Deliz
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I know what I want for Christmas...
I think this is a possible hard drive killer technology; a raid5 server with a few hundred TB of storage and replaceable redundant sub-modules. A HD iPod with several thousand Blu-Ray discs stored in it would be freaking cool...
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hmmm dont count on affordable 100 gig Camera Memory drives though. Until this becomes mainstream, a couple more years will pass...
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I argree with Jonathan, a few more years and it'll all be "solid state" HD's I suspect. Wayne
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What's interesting is the cost performance trajectory. I paid $1k cdn for a 1 gig Microdrive in 2001 - this new technology is at least some evidence that the exponential growth in value will continue. Sure, it's a few years out, but current technology and recently commercialized technology will fuel growth for a few years, while this is being commercialized to take over when the growth capability of the existing technology peters out.
I remember an article in PC magazine in 1999 that basically suggested that high resolution digital photography whould have a tough time being commercialized, because it would take 50 "floppies" (which weren't really "floppy" by that time") to hold one image.
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Okay, so I'm dating myself and my computer background, but I remember when 1 GB was considered 'mass storage', available only to the largest corporations.
Bill Gates is reputed to have said '40MB of hard drive space is all you'll ever need'. That may or may not be true, but the idea once was.
Mike.
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Okay, so I'm dating myself and my computer background, but I remember when 1 GB was considered 'mass storage', available only to the largest corporations.
Bill Gates is reputed to have said '40MB of hard drive space is all you'll ever need'. That may or may not be true, but the idea once was.
Mike.
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LOL...ok, well move over and pour me a glass of Ice Tea...'cause as long as we are reminiscing...I remember being the envy of friends and neighbors when I bought a PC that had a 80 MB hard drive...
Terabyte Thumb Drives...waaaaaaaaaaay cool !!!
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Okay, so I'm dating myself and my computer background, but I remember when 1 GB was considered 'mass storage', available only to the largest corporations.
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You're dating yourself?
When I was an undergraduate, there was ferocious debate about how the Cambridge University's IBM mainframe should put its newly-acquired fourth megabyte of main memory to use.
And the first Mac hard disk I used was 5MB!
Jeremy
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Ah, the good old days!
When we first switched to desktop digital video editing, we had to daisy chain twelve 2GB hard drives to achieve the needed storage capacity. I can't recall precisely how much we paid for our full array of hardware, but I'm betting the price of several new cars were involved.
I recently gifted our then-editor two 16GB CF cards as a gag reminder of the era for her retirement.
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I'll date myself as well.
Anyone remember the Plato system of the late seventies early eighties ?
Online chats, forums, multi user games ect ect.
I did lessons on the system at an elementary school run by the university of Illinois - I think we were the first internet lab rats..
I also remember getting my first Tera byte drive (1800 $ Aust.) and wondering how long it would take to fill up - about three weeks later I was wondering where to find the money for another !
Good thing there much cheaper now..
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I remember visiting the Harvard Mark One Computer. The din in the control room was deafening. I think it was all those hammers and chisels banging on the stone tablets used for storage.
Actually, my own first computer was a Commodore 64 with no hard drive at all, only an external floppy drive. It was very hard to backup one floppy to another, because you had to keep swapping diskettes back and forth, and the drive would usually overheat before the copy was complete.
Eventually I moved into the big time, with a PC-clone that had dual floppy drives plus a humongous 20 MB hard drive (twice as big as the IBM HD). I thought I was set for life.
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I argree with Jonathan, a few more years and it'll all be "solid state" HD's I suspect. Wayne
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You can already get 64G SS HDs - used in laptops mostly. They'll probably overtake conventional Laptop HDs in size next year.
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Here's something I posted to another forum a few days ago:
...The first configurable computer I owned was the MacII which I bought in 1988. The computer, with 1mb of Ram and a floppy drive cost $3500. I added 4mb of Ram for $1600, a 100mb hard drive for $900, a 13’’ monitor for $800, and an 8bit video card for $350. Total cost $7150.
At 1988 prices the 8Gig of Ram in my current MacPro would be worth about $3.2million and the 2Tb of hard drive capacity would be worth about $15million . Based on the price and performance of the Cray Y-MP supercomputer of 1988, my MacPro motherboard (with the floating point performance of 17 Y-MPs) would be worth about $55million, bringing the total value of my system to $73.2 million.
Now suppose that, back in 1988, I had expressed a fantasy about having such a $75million computer system someday , someone had asked me what I would use it for, and I had answered that I would use it primarily to develop and print my photographs? LOL
George Deliz
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Okay, so I'm dating myself and my computer background, but I remember when 1 GB was considered 'mass storage', available only to the largest corporations.
Bill Gates is reputed to have said '40MB of hard drive space is all you'll ever need'. That may or may not be true, but the idea once was.
Mike.
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Actually, I think what Bill said was that 640KB of memory was all anyone would ever mean. I can recall discussion about why anyone would even need 640KB--74KB was plenty.
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You can already get 64G SS HDs - used in laptops mostly. They'll probably overtake conventional Laptop HDs in size next year.
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But hard drives keep getting bigger and cheaper, too. 750GB SATA's are only a few hundred dollars. By the end of next year 2 Terabyte arrays will probably be in the neighborhood of $500. And 500GB laptop disks won't be far behind. I think solid state memory will continue to be much more costly than disk storage for quite some time to come. So it'll be used where power consumption is key, and disks still used in most other scenarios.
Do you NEED that much in a laptop? Well, it wasn't too long ago we thought 640MB of RAM was plenty.
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I remember an article in PC magazine in 1999 that basically suggested that high resolution digital photography whould have a tough time being commercialized, because it would take 50 "floppies" (which weren't really "floppy" by that time") to hold one image.
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1999? Sure it wasn't 89? I already had two 300MB hard disks in my system well before '99, so I can't believe PC Mag was still thinking floppies would be the storage medium of choice.
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1999? Sure it wasn't 89? I already had two 300MB hard disks in my system well before '99, so I can't believe PC Mag was still thinking floppies would be the storage medium of choice.
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missed it by 10 years 89 was right...
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You're dating yourself?
When I was an undergraduate, there was ferocious debate about how the Cambridge University's IBM mainframe should put its newly-acquired fourth megabyte of main memory to use.
Jeremy
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You young whippersnapper! When I was an undergrad, my college had an IBM mainframe with vacuum tubes and magnetic core storage. I can't remember how much memory it had, but I'm sure it was no more than 16MB. I tempted to say 4 MB.
(That should be 16K and 4K of memory, not MB)
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Well I had the honor of playing Spacewar on one of the very first PDP-1 computers in about 1962. The PDP-1 cost $120,000 with the standard 4K of 18-bit memory (you coded in octal instead of hexadecimal).
That was an amazing machine.
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Okay, should we begin discussing the history of UNIX now? Things like the 'ETC'
directory makes for some interesting reading... That was around 1965 or so IIRC...
Mike.
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I still have a vic 20 knocking around somewhere, anybody got CS3 on a tape I can borrow...... Wayne
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Just image 50 years from now... we'll be talking about how a 500g drive was 200$ and the size of our hand!
Michael
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Actually, my own first computer was a Commodore 64 with no hard drive at all, only an external floppy drive. It was very hard to backup one floppy to another, because you had to keep swapping diskettes back and forth, and the drive would usually overheat before the copy was complete.
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I could only dream of owning a C-64... I had the Commodore 16, 16kb of ram, no hard drive, data was stored on an external audio-cassette drive.
Funny thing is that most of the Basic 3.5 (version?) that I learnt back then will still work in modern software - eg writing macros in ms-excel these days.
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But hard drives keep getting bigger and cheaper, too. 750GB SATA's are only a few hundred dollars. By the end of next year 2 Terabyte arrays will probably be in the neighborhood of $500. And 500GB laptop disks won't be far behind. I think solid state memory will continue to be much more costly than disk storage for quite some time to come. So it'll be used where power consumption is key, and disks still used in most other scenarios.
Do you NEED that much in a laptop? Well, it wasn't too long ago we thought 640MB of RAM was plenty.
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"Rotating" hard drives are not getting bigger or cheaper at the same rate as the solid state ones. SS drives also have the advantage of being *much* faster -- we did some tests with the database at work (state library in Denmark), and the difference in speed on database queries was about an order of magnitude. While rotating hard drives can still hold their own in sustained throughput, typical usage is much more scattered, and the seektime (in *milliseconds*) is killing them. SS is the wave of the future, and was so even before these recent breakthroughs.
Power consumption and concomitant cooling are major costs in data centers these days. Being able to pay more upfront to get faster and less power-consuming storage is very appealing. Not to mention the lack of mechanical parts. If I had money to invest right now, SS drive manufacturers would be high on my list (modulo the recent SanDisk lawsuit).
-Lars
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Can't do as good as Eric , but my first computer was a BBC mod 2 with 32K of memory, and a 100K external floppy drive.
Bought it to teach myself to programme, most of which is now long forgotten. However it did make you keep your hard drive tidy, a habit which is still with me.
John C
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I seem to remember Ohara plugging SS memory of some kind into the "dashboard thingy" on the Enterprise bridge back in the 60's.
My first computer was a Vector Graphic circa 1978. 32k ram and nothing graphic about it. Was followed by an Apple Lisa (yes, the $10,000 one ). Being a graphic designer with a computer was cutting edge in 1982. Many Macs have followed. Now when I tell people I once had an Apple Lisa they think I'm talking about the horse-- Appaloosa.
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Perhaps one day I'll open up a museum utilizing the contents of my closet of obsolescence... some notable residents include:
Apple IIe
TRS-80
Commodore c64
Apple IIgs
Macintosh SE30 which was modded to operate an external color display (w/ 8 bit color!!)
Various drives of varying formats 5 1/4 floppy, 3.5 floppy, zip, cd-rom, etc.
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I still have a vic 20 knocking around somewhere, anybody got CS3 on a tape I can borrow......
My first computer was also a Commodore VIC-20, with a cassette tape drive. I used to annoy my sister by taking cassettes I'd saved programs on and playing them in the stereo system. Then I upgraded to Commodore 128 (which I still have in storage). The 486 with 8MB of RAM was such a HUGE upgrade, I was amazed...
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I seem to remember Ohara plugging SS memory of some kind into the "dashboard thingy" on the Enterprise bridge back in the 60's.
My first computer was a Vector Graphic circa 1978. 32k ram and nothing graphic about it. Was followed by an Apple Lisa (yes, the $10,000 one ). Being a graphic designer with a computer was cutting edge in 1982. Many Macs have followed. Now when I tell people I once had an Apple Lisa they think I'm talking about the horse-- Appaloosa.
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Dang, that trumps my original Mac with single floppy,black and white screen, and all-in-one design, at a time that MacPaint was the 'wow' program. Though my first dream computers (i.e. the ones I wanted but couldn't afford at the time) were either a Sinclair MK-14 or an Acorn-65 (with a massive 256 bytes of RAM and 8 character LED calculator display and hexidecimal key pad). Guess things have moved on somewhat.