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Site & Board Matters => Luminous Landscape Video => Topic started by: michael on July 28, 2007, 12:01:50 pm
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Chris, Jeff and I are very pleased to announce that our 6 hour + video tutorial, From Camera to Print (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/videos/camera-print.shtml) is now available.
I am also announcing a major new initiative to provide financial assistance to fine art photographers, worldwide, called The Luminous Landscape Endownment (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/about/endowment.shtml). This fund will derive its seed financing from 15% of the revenues that we make from sales of the tutorial video.
I am making the announcement first here on the Forum so that forum regulars can be among the first to download this exciting new tutorial.
We welcome your feedback.
Michael
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Chris, Jeff and I are very pleased to announce that our 6 hour + video tutorial, From Camera to Print (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/videos/camera-print.shtml) is now available.
I am also announcing a major new initiative to provide financial assistance to fine art photographers, worldwide, called The Luminous Landscape Endownment (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/about/endowment.shtml). This fund will derive its seed financing from 15% of the revenues that we make from sales of the tutorial video.
I am making the announcement first here on the Forum so that forum regulars can be among the first to download this exciting new tutorial.
We welcome your feedback.
Michael
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Michael,
I just purchased the tutorial and am in the process of downloading it via HTML and am eagerly awaiting the process to complete so I can look at the tutorial. An FTP download would be more convenient. Is such an option available?
Bill Janes
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There doesn't appear to be any way to interface FTP to our Store, unfortunately, so HTML download is what we are stuck with.
Michael
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What in the world is giving you a problem downloading via an HTML link? Mine all transfered above 1100kbps - what more can you ask for??
Or are you just asking so you don't have to be limited to two DL at a time?
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What in the world is giving you a problem downloading via an HTML link? Mine all transfered above 1100kbps - what more can you ask for??
Or are you just asking so you don't have to be limited to two DL at a time?
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Downloading two at a time is less convenient, since you have to come back to the site after downloading two files. I'm not getting the download rate you mention: when downloading two files at a time, I get about 90 KB/sec for each file, so it takes about 40 minutes to download two files, then back to the site for the next two.]
It would be easier to use my FTP download program (WSFTP) to download them all at once while I am occupied elsewhere.
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That has nothing to do with their server, or it being served by their apache. It's your connection to them, it wouldn't matter if it was FTP, your rate would most likely be exactly the same.
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I've been eagerly awaiting this, and am currently downloading.
Thank you Michael & the team
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That has nothing to do with their server, or it being served by their apache. It's your connection to them, it wouldn't matter if it was FTP, your rate would most likely be exactly the same.
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Obviously, but I wouldn't have to make multiple download sessions. I could download everything at once and walk away from the computer.
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I agree, in your situation of a slow connection, downloading multiple large files will be inconvenient. If i were you I would track down your connection problem and correct it if you can. I was done with all the files in just a few minutes. I read a couple emails in between, no big deal.
I posted before you edited your reply.
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I am half way through with downloading .... Extra part 2 has something (689 bytes) rather than Extra part 1, so I'll download extra 2, right?
Now we're all home over the weekend watching these videos
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Downloading the whole 2.1GB with a slowish connection can take a while, but there's nothing to stop one from starting to watch the first three files once zip 1 has finished downloading.
Michael
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Just for the record I have Verizon FIOS at 15mbps down and was able to DL all at once within 5 min. I must say the vid quality is excellent and seems to be considerably better than the LR tut. I stream my files over a network through a modded xbox onto a 38" HDTV CRT. The only comments I can make is that the audio level is a bit low as I have to turn the volume way up and one day I hope you can go to a continuous file format as opposed to breaking it up into but I understand why you can’t at this point.
I have made it through the scanning portion so far and I am so excited you produced such a video. This is exactly what I have been wanting to see. There is such a great dynamic between you and Jeff which makes the video interesting as well. Hopefully when we visit the family in Toronto this fall we will have the opportunity to stop by and see your new gallery and to shake your hand if you’re available and thank you for such a valuable website and all the content you have provided so far.
Thanks.
Jeff
P.S. Sorry, can't leave it alone...when can we see the VJ in HD?!
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P.S. Sorry, can't leave it alone...when can we see the VJ in HD?!
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I'm taking a breather for a few days and then it will be back at it to experiment with HD editing for the next 'episode'
CS
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sorry, it was Extra part 1, not 2, that contains something extra.
Buona visione a tutti.
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I'm taking a breather for a few days and then it will be back at it to experiment with HD editing for the next 'episode'
CS
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Excellent! If you need a beta tester please dont hesitate to pick me )
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The only comments I can make is that the audio level is a bit low as I have to turn the volume way up
Thanks.
Jeff
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EDIT - nevermind, they are a 'bit' low. I only, however, need to turn the volume up a 'bit', not 'way up'.
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re: CompareImages.mov = No Sound
Windows XP user........ QuickTime v7.2
I get no sound in CompareImages.mov? It runs, but silence as if muted.
The two other mov files in the same zip, Introduction and PrinterModels, run fine, good sound.
Suggestions.
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CRAP! I would have discovered that too in about 2 min when #2 finished!
Confirmed - Chris, #3 is toast, no audio.
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OK, PHEW - easy fix for those of us that already downloaded it...
Go to Window, Movie Properties, Audio Settings.
The volume is mistakenly set to -Infinity (Mute) rather than the default 0db. Move the slider and the audio is there.
Chris, you'll still need to redo it though, obviously.
Jeff, you could also do this to raise your source volume - but of course you'd have to do it for each segment, each time. Too bad QT doesn't save it as a setting for each file.
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Yep, I have received a couple of complaints about the audio on some of the files. When I check them at my end, I find that the audio level in QT Player is set to zero. Up the volume control and the sound magically booms forth - but I could be wrong...
Let me know...
CS
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Chris, 0 is the correct setting you are right.
A with the low volume, it's the source volume when you made the files, not the files themselves.
#3 is simply a mistake, not a source problem.
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Sorry for the problems...
If you are using QuickTime Player, try for a Menu command like "Window/Show Movie Properties"; this should bring up a window with the various tracks shown (in text); check the Sound Track/Audio Settings to see if one of those settings is turned to '-∞[infinity]', it should be in the middle: at zero...
Also this from another customer:
The problem has been solved - I downloaded and re-installed the latest
version of the QuickTime video player for Windows and now I hear audio on
all the video segments.
CS
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Yes, I just updated from 7.1.6 to 7.2 and it correctly sets the volume to 0 on #3 now. I have no idea what setting was different when you created #3, but at least 7.1.6 didn't like it!
You may want to put a note in the store if you have not already done so, so people will update to 7.2+ to save you more hassle...
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Wish I'd seen the announcement earlier. There must be a lot of downloads going on now because I'm only getting 11KB/sec with bursts up to 11.1KB/sec.
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I'm trying to decide if this would be a good purchase for me. I'm about 2 years into photography and shoot as a hobby. I use a Canon 20D with L glass, have an Epson 2200 printer, and use Lightroom to process my raw images. I do not have a montor calibration system.
I'd say that I hardly ever print but if I did my first instinct would be to send them to a professional lab. Still, if I could get close to professional quality with my existing gear then I'd be very interested in maximizing what I own.
Given my current skill level and current gear would I end up with new knowledge that I could put to use today? With the rate of change in this industry will this tutorial become obsolete in two years? I have never snapped an image where I think I've created fine art and doubt anyone would pay to own something I shot.
Still, it would be a thrill for someone to make a positive comment on something that I created, printed, and hung on a wall.
Will a beginner like me benefit from this or would it just end up making me frustrated?
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I'm as well about 2 years into digital photography (some more in anaolg) and I'm really enjoying watching the tutorial. It's highly informative and very vell done.
Even if you don't do much printing yet, it will make you want to print more. I'm looking forward to my next printing session and trying out what I have learned so far from this tutorial.
My warning for you: Michael states at some point that it makes no sense to go on watching the tutorial if your display is not calibrated. I have two recommendations for your:
- Plan to buy a calibration device.
- Go on watching the tutorial. There is so much else to profit from.
These are very well spend 35$, but it may lead to even higher expenses ;-)
Hope that helps
Cheers
rugy
I'm trying to decide if this would be a good purchase for me. I'm about 2 years into photography and shoot as a hobby. I use a Canon 20D with L glass, have an Epson 2200 printer, and use Lightroom to process my raw images. I do not have a montor calibration system.
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Will a beginner like me benefit from this or would it just end up making me frustrated?
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As an individual who has been a faithful supporter of LL and been here more than 4 years, I'm troubled. My preference remains for DVD delivery which avoids placing all the work on the customer and is preferable in so many ways (other than economic to the seller).
I say "work" because after taking 4 hours to download the first segment, it refuses to unzip completely on my up-to-date Mac. It unzips 1 and then hangs on the end of 2. So I am now involved in downloading it again at a speed which will take more than three hours if it doesn't get worse. Then of course, I have no way of knowing if it will work. So if it is slow to begin with and many of us will have to download it again, what does that do to traffic?
It is small consolation to hear that this traffic load was unforeseen-was it really? Too bad the product can't be delivered with the speed at which our funds are transferred isn't it? And then there is the time and effort which will be required to burn it to a DVD to watch on TV unless I want to spend watching something the length of "War & Peace" at my computer.
I'm really looking forward to 20 hours of download time. I suppose if I take a few days vacation, I can download this while the majority of people might be at work. Let's see-what are the economics of that.
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Del,
This has been discussed here before. I sincerely regret that large downloads are a hassle for you, as they may be for some other people. But for the vast majority they are not much trouble at all.
The economics of DVD distribution no longer work for us. The combination of much high postage rates for media mail during the past year or so, increasing production and distribution costs, postal delays (especially into the US), lost and misdelivered mail, etc, etc, all make DVD a much less attractive medium for a company our size.
Online distribution of media is the future (and for many the present). There's no going back. We will continue to deliver the Video Journal on DVD to our existing base that have pre-paid for it, but by Issue #20 will terminate that format. The days of mailing plastic are nearing an end.
Our video tutorials will be delivered exclusively via download.
Michael
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Michael -- I've downloaded all the zip files, but cannot unzip them on my mac (10.4.10). The unzipping gets stuck at the very end and does not finish.
I went back to some other zip files I got from your site (the Lightroom series), and they unzip fine -- so the issue does not seem to be with my computer system.
Please advise. Thanks.
Mark Beckelman
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Hi Mark
I have the same problem on OS X. The reason for it is that the download times out. The .zip file is not complete and the OS X unzip routine gets stuck instead of issueing an error message. The command line does issue an error message...
So the problem is, as stated in some other posts, the download. As soon as we are able to download the full .zip file, we also be able to unzip it and watch the videos.
So far I have all videos until number 15 and that's enough to watch for the next few days. I'll try later on next week for the rest (...and leave some bandwith to others that didn't get as far ;-))
Bye
rugy
Michael -- I've downloaded all the zip files, but cannot unzip them on my mac (10.4.10). The unzipping gets stuck at the very end and does not finish.
Mark Beckelman
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I have attempted to download the first segment 3 times and each has failed.
Got about 54mb 1st time then lost connection. 2nd time, download never started.
3rd time, started very slowly, got to about 30mb, I walked away for a few minutes
when I came back it was stuck trying to decompress the zip file. There is no way it could have
received the entire file. As it would have taken aat least 30 minutes at my maximum
bandwidth. For what its worth I am running OSX 10.4.10.
Guess I will try again later.
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I'm trying to decide if this would be a good purchase for me. I'm about 2 years into photography and shoot as a hobby. I use a Canon 20D with L glass, have an Epson 2200 printer, and use Lightroom to process my raw images. I do not have a montor calibration system.
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I would have to say it's a must have for the newby. whether or not you have all the equipment that they show in the video you will at least know what to put on your shopping list. Even if you don't print much now this will probably result in you doing it yourself more in the future. Again this video should be on the top of your list especially if your a novice.
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Definitely get it - but yes you will at the very least NEED a monitor calibration tool to actually use ANY of the information in the video. It is simply the foundation to the process, no way around it.
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I'm only getting 25 KB/sec on several trys and I'm on broadband/cable. Could the LL site be overloaded with people trying to download?? Eleanor
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I'm only getting 25 KB/sec on several trys and I'm on broadband/cable. Could the LL site be overloaded with people trying to download?? Eleanor
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Yes Eleanor, that must be the case. You are not alone, my last attempt I was only getting 20KB/sec
and it failed at 60 mb. Good thing they gave us 30 tries at each segment, sure hope we don't need
them all. Might be best to wait a day or two before trying again unfortunately.
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I'm only getting 25 KB/sec on several trys and I'm on broadband/cable. Could the LL site be overloaded with people trying to download?? Eleanor
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That's what seems to be the problem. I'm in the same boat as you, with a speedy cable connection. I'm on my 4th try for the first segment. I've never gotten a download faster than 30 KB/sec, and all of my attempts have failed or timed out. The record so far is 220MB/281MB before failure. If this one fails, I'll forget about it for a week or two.
This is my first purchase of one of LL's download products. While I appreciate the difficulties of dealing with physical "plastic" media, it's also becoming clear that by the time I'm able to download this tutorial, I could have ordered and received a plastic product in the mail.
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While I appreciate the difficulties of dealing with physical "plastic" media, it's also becoming clear that by the time I'm able to download this tutorial, I could have ordered and received a plastic product in the mail.
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Actually, no, you couldn't have...if it were to be distributed via DVD you would be looking at several to 6 months more wait to get it produced.
Also, to people on Mac, you know that OS X doesn't come with an unzip utility by default, right? You'll need to get the free Stuffit utility or Stuffit Deluxe (current version 11 I believe). [a href=\"http://www.stuffit.com/mac/expander/download.html]Stuffit Expander for Mac[/url]
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That was in the old days . At least since 10.3 (maybe even 10.2) zip is standard. Even when you create an archive from the finder's contextual menu, OS X will create a .zip file.
Also, to people on Mac, you know that OS X doesn't come with an unzip utility by default, right?
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Actually, no, you couldn't have...if it were to be distributed via DVD you would be looking at several to 6 months more wait to get it produced.
Well, at least I have something to look forward to. I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Attempt #4 is currently at 52%, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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I've tried 5 times and failed. When I look at Safari/Preferences/Desktop - I find the downloads are greyed out and can't be highlighted or dragged out. The ironic thing is I'm in Toronto - I could have walked over to the LL site and carried it home in the time one download occured!
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Curious. We've had no other complaints today, with many hundreds of downloads.
I just tried a download myself and it averaged 90kbs and was without problem.
Not sure what problem you're having but I don't think it's as a result of issues at our server. Yesterday's incredibly high initial volume was a real strain on our server, but it survived (with some frustrations I know) and after some fine tuning and today's slight drop in volume people shouldn't be having download problems.
Michael
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Wow! I have just finished the tutorial (yeh, I read Harry Potter in one day, too) This is a true example of the benefits of downloading! Incredible information that is both timely while at the same time time-LESS. Of all the resources available to the aspiring photographer today, this tutorial is firmly in the #1 slot for anyone who wants to improve their printing output. Excellent job Michael, Chris, and Jeff. For the regular LL subscriber and reader there will be a mix of material that will be review and some that will provide new insights, but the Print Soft Proofing segment has already paid off in higher quality prints for me. Thanks again to the team for wonderful work!
Jeff
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Thanks Jeff.
With praise like that I hope you don't mind if I quote you.
Michael
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Michael,
Please use the statements as you wish. Thanks again for the inspiring work.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff.
With praise like that I hope you don't mind if I quote you.
Michael
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Excellent job Michael and Jeff! Well worth the dollars. And the slowish download times.
One question about the Printer Profile segment when you profiled the 3880. There was no mention of letting the test print "dry down" before profiling. Should this in fact be done?
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Dry down before profiling varies between printers. HP says 10 minutes, Epson has no official position that I'm aware of though most people let a print sit for 30 minutes.
If you used a spectro to measure charge from 1 minute to 24 hours, I'm sure you'd see a very steep fall of in change after the first 5 minutes. How important this is would be a debate about visibility.
I always wait 30 minutes just to be safe.
Michael
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Michael, Jeff:
THANK YOU! A great series! The hilight for me was Part 10 - watching Jeff holding a straight face while Michael is associating trigonmetric functions with large african mammals . . .
-John
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I liked the 'shirt wars'
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Michael,
Thanks for a great production. I was able to download the whole series over the course of a day and watched it over two days. I'm about to watch it through again and take notes.
I've been getting great print results and feel I know what I'm doing. Still I was pleasantly surprised to learn some great tidbits from this video. The softproofing module was very good. Many of the tools that I use were demoed with highlights of features I didn't know about or techniques that I hadn't seen - nice.
The one area that I'd hoped to see more of was critical print evaluation. The video took us to making the print but not really evaluating the print and revising the file or at least a discussion/demo of what you guys look for. Maybe this would be difficult to do on video. As Jeff said several times, many aspects of the print can't be judged on the computer screen.
Anyway, thanks again. Highly recommended!
Kalin
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Michael,
Many thanks to you, Chris and Jeff for a great series with Camera to Print!
I am a watercolor painter who uses a flat bed scanner, my Mac, EZColor and an Epson 7600 to reproduce my paintings in limited edition giclees. (I know, you don't like the term giclee but go to any major fine art publication and I'm sure you'll see that it is consistently being used to describe art reproductions.) Reproducing the colors in my paintings is not easy to say the least. It can cause me to pull out what's left of my hair with each attempt.
Your entire series is excellent but I, apparently along with others, found the soft-proofing segment to be of great interest. It will go a long way toward speeding up my workflow and increasing the accuracy of my reproductions.
Oh yeah, I do photographs too and the LL website along with your video tutorials and journals have been extremely helpful with my photographic efforts.
Now, how about a workflow tutorial taking an example image or two from Camera Raw/Lightroom to soft-proof? You and Jeff could analyse each image in terms of what is needed to get it to the print stage. How about it?
Thanks again for the Camera to Print series. I think every photographer (reproducers of watercolors too) will find a great deal of information to assist them in creating their favorite image .... the next one!
Craig
PS - I have my fingers crossed hoping for good fall color here in the Smokies!
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I have downloaded the entire series and am a little over half way though watching it. It is absolutely first rate and is clarifying a lot of questions I'vd had about the entire digital workflow. I find the discussion format between Michael and Jeff particularly helpful. I'm sure I'll rewatch many segments. Thanks! Eleanor
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I have to say, for the cost and time to download and unzip, this is the best deal in town. I HATE to wait (I love the iTunes method of getting music). Compared to waiting for a $60 DVD then having all the junk to store (eventually in a landfill), I think this is a great way to access info.
This is 2007, no need for DVD's, jewel cases and high cost. I think this is a great way to disseminate the info.
Just starting watching (quality is great). And Jeff's beard is as finely trimmed as I've ever seen!
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Trimmed beard, but a really horrid shirt.
Michael
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Trimmed beard, but a really horrid shirt.
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Oh yeah? Well, you're just jealous of my taste in way cool shirts...(and motorcycles)
:~)
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Oh yeah? Well, you're just jealous of my taste in way cool shirts...(and motorcycles)
:~)
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Michael, Schewe has female groupies that follow him from show to show (I suspect because of the shirts). He makes basic black look good!
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I just finished watching the last of the videos and wanted to chime in here and say how much I enjoyed it. Though I do many of the things discussed, it was still of interest to me to hear both of your thoughts. I also learned a number of things, as expected, and think they will help make me a better printer.
I loved the rapport between you, Michael and Jeff--and even the mild disagreements because it highlighted the fact that in many cases, there isn't A RIGHT thing to do--or rather, there are choices to be made. The 'shirt thing' sort of underlined that LOL.
Chris did a great job with the videography--I liked the zoom ins to important info and generally just good videos. I agree that this is a great way to get the videos--the download was easy over a day--and immediate. I was watching one as I was downloading another.
BTW---I have not been using LR--and your discussions of it have made me interested enough to go back and become more proficient with it (I do have a legal version since I was an RSP license holder)--esp. the printing.
Diane