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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: JTFOTO on June 16, 2007, 11:29:41 pm
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ALL WITH VALUE ADDED PRICING FROM US DEALERS ON THE EAST COAST IN ANY MOUNT
THESE PRICES I SEE POSSIBLE IF YOU COME IN WITH CASH OR YOUR CREDIT CARD READY TO PURCHASE. NOT WITH FINANCING OR HEMMING AND HAWING.
PHASE ONE P30+ $15,000.00
PHASE ONE P25+ $18,000.00
PHASE ONE P45+ $21,000.00
LEAF APTUS 75S $18,000.00
LEAF APTUS 54S $12,000.00
HASSELBLAD H3D 39MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS $22,000.00
HASSELBLAD H3D 31MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS $17,000.00
HASSELBLAD CF39 $18,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE
HASSELBLAD CF22 $14,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE
HASSELBLAD CFH BACKS FOR ABOUT TWO GRAND LESS ON EACH MP SIZE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE PAID A LOT MORE BUT HAVE DONE SO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD NEGOTIATION SKILLS.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE PAYING MORE UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING SOME KIND OF MAJOR PERSONAL INSTALL AND LESSONS THAT YOU ARE PAYING EXTRA FOR.
HASSELBLAD HAS THE MOST OF AGGRESSIVE PRICING AND YOU CAN GET SOME MORE OUT OF THEM WHEN BUYING. THINGS LIKE EXTRA GRIPS & LENSES. THEY WANT TO LOCK YOU INTO THE SYSTEM SO YOU CONTINUE TO BUY THE FUTURE BODY BACK COMBINATIONS.
THIS IS THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS.
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Good post. Pricing is a major consideration. I tried doing a Google search in Australia for the P45 and couldn't find anything definitive, No best buys or lowest price. In fact I was toitally confused as to what I should be paying.
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This is terrific! Thanks for posting this information. I assume these prices are
for a 1 year warranty?
Thanks,
Tony
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wow, If only I could get a price like that up here in the midwest for a 54S I'd buy in a heart beat. . .
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I have a bit of land in Florida that I would like to sell. This guy knows nothing and you all eat it up like he does. There is a past history of posts about BS that have no basis in reality. Forums like this are damaged by this kind of meaningless dung.
a
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Very interesting, thanks a lot!
I wonder whether some of these dealers are willing to sell to customers not based in the US. If they do I might fly to NY some time in July...
Regards,
Bernard
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ALL WITH VALUE ADDED PRICING FROM US DEALERS ON THE EAST COAST IN ANY MOUNT
THESE PRICES I SEE POSSIBLE IF YOU COME IN WITH CASH OR YOUR CREDIT CARD READY TO PURCHASE. NOT WITH FINANCING OR HEMMING AND HAWING.
PHASE ONE P30+ $15,000.00
PHASE ONE P25+ $18,000.00
PHASE ONE P45+ $21,000.00
LEAF APTUS 75S $18,000.00
LEAF APTUS 54S $12,000.00
HASSELBLAD H3D 39MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS $22,000.00
HASSELBLAD H3D 31MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS $17,000.00
HASSELBLAD CF39 $18,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE
HASSELBLAD CF22 $14,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE
HASSELBLAD CFH BACKS FOR ABOUT TWO GRAND LESS ON EACH MP SIZE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE PAID A LOT MORE BUT HAVE DONE SO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD NEGOTIATION SKILLS.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE PAYING MORE UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING SOME KIND OF MAJOR PERSONAL INSTALL AND LESSONS THAT YOU ARE PAYING EXTRA FOR.
HASSELBLAD HAS THE MOST OF AGGRESSIVE PRICING AND YOU CAN GET SOME MORE OUT OF THEM WHEN BUYING. THINGS LIKE EXTRA GRIPS & LENSES. THEY WANT TO LOCK YOU INTO THE SYSTEM SO YOU CONTINUE TO BUY THE FUTURE BODY BACK COMBINATIONS.
THIS IS THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS.
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Don't thank this man, because this is complete BS. I will say that again. This is complete BS. As a dealer for everything above except the Phase products, I can say that all of your prices are below dealer cost, some are even 20% or more below dealer cost.
I will not even go into my rant about buying from the lowest price "dealer" on a product like this, but instead buy for the most reasonable price from the dealer you trust the most. No, I won't even go there.
Instead, since you are so forthcoming on all of your "research", and are being so helpful to all of the readers of this forum, why stop there? You're such a helpful man. Why not go ahead and publish the names of those dealers where you received these prices? We're waiting.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
Dealer for Hasselblad, Sinar and Leaf products
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i know that prices are lower then what are the published list prices....but these prices are BS....i know, i got a P30 at a very good price....
you might remember that a P30+ just sold here in this forum for more then 15000.....
the problem is that phase, hass, leaf, sinar only sell through a handfull of dealers...(B&H does not carry phase or leaf....i have asked them why and they say that the margins and the support combined with the low interest make it not worthwile for them to even carry this stuff....) there are no grey market product out there.......
if some of these prices were true, by up the stuff and sell it on ebay.....you can easily sell a P45+ for 25000 on ebay...more if value added....
it comes down to: do your own research, call the dealers, card in hand, you might be surprised by the prices offered, but don't expect miracles....it also helps the dealers if you buy cameras/lights as well....the more you buy the more they can take off.....
H3D39 +80 +lens for 22000....please let me know where, i will buy 3.....and sell them for profit before i even have to pay the amex.....
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I think anybody that reads these forums regularly knows not to believe a word that comes from JTPHOTO.
Search his other posts, he's full of BS and doesn't have the kahunas to reveal his real name or work.
He should be banned from this forum.
Randal
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Do yourself a big favor and do your own research. Find a dealer or two that you will want to do business with and sit down and start talking to them. My dealer (Capture Intergration in Atlanta GA) posts prices on their website for Phase One. I got a better price from them because I began a relationship with them and they knew I was serious about buying my P30+. If you allow yourself to be swayed by someone else without doing any of your own research you have no one to blame but yourself.
I don't want to spend any more money that what I have to but on the other hand I am will to spend more to get good service and ensure that if/when I have a problem my dealer will be there for me.
don
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You know, this is at least the third thread in the last few days where the issue of MF digital pricing has come up. See here:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=17555 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17555)
and here
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....opic=17575&st=0 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17575&st=0)
(hcubell's posts regarding pricing)
So, if you read these posts, you would think a P30+ costs somewhere between $15-23K, "depending on how good your bargaining skills are"!
Steve, I'm willing to assume that you're correct about the "price list" that started this thread being BS. But what would be helpful would be if you and the other dealers would actually publish prices on your websites. That way, everyone knows what the deal is.
Don't thank this man, because this is complete BS. I will say that again. This is complete BS. As a dealer for everything above except the Phase products, I can say that all of your prices are below dealer cost, some are even 20% or more below dealer cost.
I will not even go into my rant about buying from the lowest price "dealer" on a product like this, but instead buy for the most reasonable price from the dealer you trust the most. No, I won't even go there.
Instead, since you are so forthcoming on all of your "research", and are being so helpful to all of the readers of this forum, why stop there? You're such a helpful man. Why not go ahead and publish the names of those dealers where you received these prices? We're waiting.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
Dealer for Hasselblad, Sinar and Leaf products
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You know, this is at least the third thread in the last few days where the issue of MF digital pricing has come up. See here:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=17555 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17555)
and here
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....opic=17575&st=0 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17575&st=0)
(hcubell's posts regarding pricing)
So, if you read these posts, you would think a P30+ costs somewhere between $15-23K, "depending on how good your bargaining skills are"!
Steve, I'm willing to assume that you're correct about the "price list" that started this thread being BS. But what would be helpful would be if you and the other dealers would actually publish prices on your websites. That way, everyone knows what the deal is.
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Hendrix and Gallagher are straight-up folks. I bought my P30+ from Gallagher and am super happy with his service and more importantly - attitude. He knows the needs of photographers and what works for them. I sold my P30 + because for my work - it is just not fast enough. I'm looking into a P21 + or may continue on with the Canon's.
Steve is a good guy - he helped me out with an Aptus Screen for my Mamiya that has the same dimensions as the P30+ screen inserts. Quick service and only available from Leaf - even though I did not purchase a leaf product.
For me, buying service with a warranty is a less expensive alternative than dealing with the cheapest dealer. A different mindset than going for the lowest price - but it works for me.
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.
Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)
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You know, this is at least the third thread in the last few days where the issue of MF digital pricing has come up. See here:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=17555 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17555)
and here
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....opic=17575&st=0 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17575&st=0)
(hcubell's posts regarding pricing)
So, if you read these posts, you would think a P30+ costs somewhere between $15-23K, "depending on how good your bargaining skills are"!
Steve, I'm willing to assume that you're correct about the "price list" that started this thread being BS. But what would be helpful would be if you and the other dealers would actually publish prices on your websites. That way, everyone knows what the deal is.
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William, whether you assume it or not, I am correct, since I sell the equipment. To assume I am not correct is to assume that I am not being truthful, and I know you wouldn't assume that.
The price that I sell a Hasselblad, Leaf or Sinar digital back is between me and the client I am working with. It is a private transaction between the customer and me. If the customer wishes to publicize it, that's their prerogative - I have no control over that.
The list prices for this equipment are published. The selling prices are not. Knowing the list price is a good start in terms of negotiating a price. I won't publicize my selling price because it is different for each customer. Which selling price am I supposed to publish?
But come on everyone - let's get real. Those of you who bought that price list have to be kidding yourselves, or have no real sense of economics. If I sell a Hasselblad HC lens, our margin from the manufacturer is 8%. Needless to say, we can't make a living selling those lenses. Dealers make a higher percentage on MFDB's, but to think that the margins are 40% or 50% is ridiculous.
You want advice on how to get the lowest price? Call the dealer with the worst service and support. That will save you a lot of time. Or, you could contact a dealer that's invested in these solutions that you trust and offers support, and form a relationship, and work with the dealer to come to a conclusion over the right solution. If you find a dealer like that, and there is some trust between you, you will get a good price. It may not be the lowest, but it won't be that far off.
However much more you spent in that transaction will vanish from your mind the first time you really need their help.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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William, whether you assume it or not, I am correct, since I sell the equipment. To assume I am not correct is to assume that I am not being truthful, and I know you wouldn't assume that.
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Truthfullness and ignorance can coexist and rhetoric doesn't help anyone. Not saying that you don't know of course, or that you aren't aware that perhaps people can get stuff a lot cheaper than you sell. You know I wouldn't say that.
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One of the features of a dealer is how much he sells.
- If a dealer sells a lot he will have amortized the demo units, have spares on hand, and used products from trade-ins, and he will be able to use this leverage to provide interesting bundles and pricing. He will also be able to get the manufacturer to respond to him instantly.
- A dealer who sells little will have an expensive investment in demo units, and will feel obligated to offset this by higher margins. His phone calls to the rep will get ignored because the rep is already full busy catering to the larger shops.
From the above I would guess that one would get better warranty service and maybe even pricing by going to the biggest dealer.
I'm sure there is a flaw in the above reasoning - but it does explain a lot of what I've seen when standing around camera shops.
Edmund
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One of the features of a dealer is how much he sells.
- If a dealer sells a lot he will have amortized the demo units, have spares on hand, and used products from trade-ins, and he will be able to use this leverage to provide interesting bundles and pricing. He wil be able to give good trade-in values because he knows he can resell material easily to is customer pool. He will also be able to get the manufacturer to respond to him instantly.
- A dealer who sells little will have an expensive investment in demo units, and will feel obligated to offset this by higher margins. His phone calls to the rep will get ignored because the rep is already full busy catering to the larger shops.
From the above I would guess that one would get better warranty service and maybe even pricing by going to the biggest dealer.
I'm sure there is a flaw in the above reasoning - but it does explain a lot of what I've seen when standing around camera shops.
Edmund
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Support is vital to the equation. Having your dealers home, cell, mother's home phone numbers are worth more than you will ever save by "Walmarting" your way through the deal. Find a good dealer and stick with them. Hendrix and Gallagher are the kind that you want when something is not right. They are two of the finest.
a
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Truthfullness and ignorance can coexist and rhetoric doesn't help anyone. Not saying that you don't know of course, or that you aren't aware that perhaps people can get stuff a lot cheaper than you sell. You know I wouldn't say that.
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I know - you wouldn't. But I know for a fact that no one is getting that equipment anywhere near those prices, at least not legitimately. It is a fact, which has nothing to do with my knowledge, ignorance or whatever, that all of those prices were significantly below dealer cost from the various manufacturers. MFDB manufacturers don't have little deals set up like that for anyone. Of that, I am completely knowledgeable.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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I know - you wouldn't. But I know for a fact that no one is getting that equipment anywhere near those prices, at least not legitimately. It is a fact, which has nothing to do with my knowledge, ignorance or whatever, that all of those prices were significantly below dealer cost from the various manufacturers. MFDB manufacturers don't have little deals set up like that for anyone. Of that, I am completely knowledgeable.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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Then i withdraw my snotty post.
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Then i withdraw my snotty post.
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Me too.
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I've been offline for a few days and have just seen these posts.
The prices quoted are totally bogus. Below dealer cost, as has been pointed out.
I'll leave the thread up rather than delete it because it might serve as a warning to those looking for a deal that is too good to be true. It usually won't be.
Michael
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So I guess that if the above is BS, then the following price for a like new demo P45+ is really the hell of a deal, right? Assumine a 15% gap between Canadian and US$, this one goes for less than 26.000 US$ with zero nego skills required:
http://www.vistek.ca/deals/details.aspx?sku=227503_CR010208 (http://www.vistek.ca/deals/details.aspx?sku=227503_CR010208)
That's obviously a demo unit, but I'd be surprised if Vistek were willing to loose money on this. Why the heck would they want to get rid of a demo back in excellent condition and get a new one while losing money?
Surprisingly, this unit has been listed for at least 4 days and is a easy find on Google. My personnal conclusion is that cheaper can be found in the US rather easily. If that were not the case, this back would have sold in a few hours, wouldn't it?
Am I missing something here?
Regards,
Bernard
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So I guess that if the above is BS, then the following price for a like new demo P45+ is really the hell of a deal, right? Assumine a 15% gap between Canadian and US$, this one goes for less than 26.000 US$ with zero nego skills required:
http://www.vistek.ca/deals/details.aspx?sku=227503_CR010208 (http://www.vistek.ca/deals/details.aspx?sku=227503_CR010208)
That's obviously a demo unit, but I'd be surprised if Vistek were willing to loose money on this. Why the heck would they want to get rid of a demo back in excellent condition and get a new one while losing money?
Surprisingly, this unit has been listed for at least 4 days and is a easy find on Google. My personnal conclusion is that cheaper can be found in the US rather easily. If that were not the case, this back would have sold in a few hours, wouldn't it?
Am I missing something here?
Regards,
Bernard
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Demo unit pricing is lower than new or inventory pricing for dealers, typically 10% - 15% lower. A dealer turns demo units for any number of various reasons. Normally a dealer likes to make money off of a demo unit, just as they would any other unit. And when they can, they will.
But demo unit inventory is a potential risk for a dealer, because it becomes an inventory unit in a rapidly changing technical landscape. So, at times a dealer may wish to move a demo unit just to refresh the unit with the same unit, although newer, or he may be aware that new product is around the corner. Or he may just want to free up some cash flow. Timing can be a factor in turning a demo unit, so that you are not on the hook for a product that, while still attractive, has dropped thousands of dollars in value because of a new announcement. In cases like these, you may find better deals.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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Demo unit pricing is lower than new or inventory pricing for dealers, typically 10% - 15% lower. A dealer turns demo units for any number of various reasons. Normally a dealer likes to make money off of a demo unit, just as they would any other unit. And when they can, they will.
But demo unit inventory is a potential risk for a dealer, because it becomes an inventory unit in a rapidly changing technical landscape. So, at times a dealer may wish to move a demo unit just to refresh the unit with the same unit, although newer, or he may be aware that new product is around the corner. Or he may just want to free up some cash flow. Timing can be a factor in turning a demo unit, so that you are not on the hook for a product that, while still attractive, has dropped thousands of dollars in value because of a new announcement. In cases like these, you may find better deals.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the feedback.
I can understand why Vistek might want to sell now, but the fact that nobody is interested in buying at that price is the interesting part of the story. I know you don't sell Phaseone and cannot comment on this.
Regards,
Bernard
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Assumine a 15% gap between Canadian and US$, this one goes for less than 26.000 US$ with zero nego skills required:
Actually,it's closer to 8%-9% these days. On a $20K plus (no pun intended) purchase this
becomes more of a factor
Mark
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My point wasn't that price is the only factor in making an investment this large. But it's unrealistic to act as if price isn't useful information to have when making a decision. Obviously, I would choose a higher price with good service over a lower price with bad service if the difference is marginal. At some point, however, price does make a difference. Assume that the price difference between a dealer with good service and a dealer where you're on your own after purchase isn't 10% or 20%, but 40% or 50%. Taking the lower price and inferior service could be an economically rational choice if one is sufficiently knowledgeable (e.g., if I don't need someone who will show me how to use the back) and willing to take the risk (e.g., willing to take the risk that the product may break and that you'll have to deal directly with the manufacturer rather than having your dealer handle it for you).
My point is that not having any basis for price comparison distorts the market and puts the consumer at a disadvantage. Free markets depend on information and knowledge.
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You want advice on how to get the lowest price? Call the dealer with the worst service and support. That will save you a lot of time.
However much more you spent in that transaction will vanish from your mind the first time you really need their help.
Steve Hendrix
PPR
www.ppratlanta.com
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Actually,it's closer to 8%-9% these days. On a $20K plus (no pun intended) purchase this
becomes more of a factor
Mark
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9% is actually quite close.
So vistek's price is accurate. We have a Demo P45+ for sale 9% less than their current stated price
A few important factors of demo sales prices are the shot count and remaining warranty. These are unknown in the online offer.
If anyone has a question on Phase One prices we have them here:
[a href=\"http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/newprices.html]http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/newprices.html[/url]
Non + units are no longer offered as new but the prices give a good guideline towards demo or used inventory.
Thanks for fighting this battle Steve. Sorry that I did not see this thread earlier.
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http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/newprices.html (http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/newprices.html)
Dave,
Are the prices on the linked sheet the actual price or are those prices negotiable? I think what inspires anxiety in most photographers looking into medium format digital is there seems to be a perception of secrecy in the actual price of the gear.
I can search B+H, Adorama, Roberts, Penn, etc. online and get a very good idea of what a Canon 1Ds MKII costs. I also have a very good idea of the level of service I'll receive buying from B+H versus Roberts or Penn. I think the disconnect comes when in this day-and-age of instant gratification one can't simply search your site or Steve's and find a price that "feels" like the un-negotiable out-the-door price.
Not sure if that makes any sense but I think it might explain all the pricing thread that pop up on these boards.
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I knew they ripped me off!! BUT lucky for me the list didn't mention the Leaf 65 for a lower price...PFFFFFF...so I gues no one can get that back under the 17995 plus tax.
Anyways I have been getting letter from rich widows in Nigeria who are willing to split 55,000,000 USD bank accounts with me....and someone wanted to pay full price once on a car I was selling online...they even fedex'ed me a certified check with an amount larger than the asking price and the only thing I had to do was paying them the difference back with a western union money order!
If you are S.T.U.P.I.D. you will think that when is sounds to good to be true it is probably true...but for the majority of us....when it sounds to good to be true is probably is!
I know that you can get a student discount on digital backs and the discount is considerate...BUT you got to show them a lot of proof that you are attending a certain collega and a photography class!
If you can't affort a MF back...just don't buy one....get a 35mm digital camera and no one will hold it against you...and the majority won't even notice the difference....but please stop the conspiracy theory BS...it only works for Mel Gibson and yes he got Julia Roberts (but it was a MOVIE!!!)....for the rest of us...people think we are freaks behaving like that!!
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the list didn't mention the Leaf 65 for a lower price...PFFFFFF...so I gues no one can get that back under the 17995 plus tax.
Yep, I got one in Feb from a very reputable dealer in NY State for $16995 + tax.
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notice that the original poster of this BS has not responded, and just disappeared.
please everyone know that those prices are utter nonsense, and the posting was purely intended to confuse and provoke.
quite why a deranged individual would want to do that on a user forum like this is beyond me.
JTFoto - you should seek professional help.
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notice that the original poster of this BS has not responded, and just disappeared.
please everyone know that those prices are utter nonsense, and the posting was purely intended to confuse and provoke.
quite why a deranged individual would want to do that on a user forum like this is beyond me.
JTFoto - you should seek professional help.
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I think it's an attempt to drive prices down.
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I've been offline for a few days and have just seen these posts.
The prices quoted are totally bogus. Below dealer cost, as has been pointed out.
I'll leave the thread up rather than delete it because it might serve as a warning to those looking for a deal that is too good to be true. It usually won't be.
Michael
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I cannot speak for all of the prices quoted(I know the Hasselblad prices are fantasyland), but it is my opinion, based upon direct experience as well as "reliable" hearsay, that Phase itself, not the dealers, is subsidizing very attractive deals FOR SOME BUYERS behind the scenes at prices way below the advertised MSRP. These deals appear to be in response to publicly advertised Hasselblad rebate promotions on H3Ds that everyone is eligible for. That would be fine, meeting the competition, if the playing field were level and everyone had access, but they don't.
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Good post. Pricing is a major consideration. I tried doing a Google search in Australia for the P45 and couldn't find anything definitive, No best buys or lowest price. In fact I was toitally confused as to what I should be paying.
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Hi Ray,
In Australia we have price-fixing!!! and its on a high!
take care
Henrik
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Yeah, these price are a bit out of control, to say the least.
A P30 plus you maybe able to get for $18thou and that is a stretch. I don't think $15thou is possible
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I think that both Steve Hendrix from PPR and Dave Gallagher from Capture Integration, both well known and dealers of good reputation have given a clear answer here: the "published" prices in this tread are well below "dealer costs" and pure BS.
Michael has also intervened to clarify this issue once for all and to say that these prices are bogus.
I don't understand why this discussion goes on and on.
If it needs another reliable source, than I can tell you as well that such enduser prices do simply not exist in the market, wherever you are in the world.
Thierry
Yeah, these price are a bit out of control, to say the least.
A P30 plus you maybe able to get for $18thou and that is a stretch. I don't think $15thou is possible
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Thierry:
Speaking of prices, you had said a while back that the prices for the new camera & back were available "worldwide" yet I've still not been able to find anything anywhere from anyone. The contact you kindly posted has never returned my e-mails, and the dealers in the US have said they don't have a clue and have not been told anything about pricing yet. Can you tell us where we can go to find the prices for this great new camera system? Any info would be most appreciated.
And I guess people keep posting in this thread because, well heck, isn't that what all of these threads are for, for folks to actually talk about stuff? With products like this where the dealers are so tight about prices and it is more like buying a car or a house than a simple piece of camera gear it is always refreshing to hear what others think, even if the original poster was full of it...
UPDATE: Matt did get back in touch with me this morning with some pricing after reading my post above (thanks Matt):
...The Hy6 kit with the Emotion 75LV is $32,500 and the same kit with a 54LV is $30,500. Sinar Bron does have pricing from Sinar but we have not published a full price list as of yet....
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Dear ternst,
as said, Sinar has published and sent out all the prices for all available kits/bundles (Sinar Hy6 camera with digital back) and Sinar Hy6 camera alone as well as the accessories available, this since 3 weeks.
Any distributor worldwide should be able to inform about it, after having calculated thier own prices.
All the best,
Thierry
Thierry:
Speaking of prices, you had said a while back that the prices for the new camera & back were available "worldwide" yet I've still not been able to find anything anywhere from anyone. The contact you kindly posted has never returned my e-mails, and the dealers in the US have said they don't have a clue and have not been told anything about pricing yet. Can you tell us where we can go to find the prices for this great new camera system? Any info would be most appreciated.
And I guess people keep posting in this thread because, well heck, isn't that what all of these threads are for, for folks to actually talk about stuff? With products like this where the dealers are so tight about prices and it is more like buying a car or a house than a simple piece of camera gear it is always refreshing to hear what others think, even if the original poster was full of it...
UPDATE: Matt did get back in touch with me this morning with some pricing after reading my post above (thanks Matt):
...The Hy6 kit with the Emotion 75LV is $32,500 and the same kit with a 54LV is $30,500. Sinar Bron does have pricing from Sinar but we have not published a full price list as of yet....
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Support is vital to the equation. Having your dealers home, cell, mother's home phone numbers are worth more than you will ever save by "Walmarting" your way through the deal. Find a good dealer and stick with them. Hendrix and Gallagher are the kind that you want when something is not right. They are two of the finest.
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So true. This is not like buying a Canon Elph, where having the lowest price probably is a good thing. Since the dealers are usually the point of support when something goes wrong, having a solid relationship with a reputable shop is very important. I think for me, when it comes time to plunk down the cash for a back I would even spend a bit more buying locally at a place like Samy's where I know I can walk in and get help and maybe even a loaner if needed.
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The Hasselblad rep came to see me today and these are the latest offers : Student discount 15%,
trade in any digital back on new H3D £4000+ GBP, 35% off any lens when one buys an H3D before the end of July 2007. I don't know if this is UK only.
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Following IS the current pricing for Hasselblad till June 30, 2007
Trade-in any competitive Medium Format digital back, and receive a $5,000 instant rebate.
H3D-39:$31,995 - $5000 = $26,995 net price
H3D-22: $22,995 - $5000 = $17,995 net price
H3D-31:$24,995 - $5000 = $19,995 net price
Any owner or owner to be of a Hasselblad H system is eligible to receive a
35% discount on a HC lens with the exception of the 300mm. Valid until July 31, 2007
CFV instant rebate: $1,000
Price: $8,995 (MSRP: $9,995 - $1,000 rebate)
503CWD instant rebate: $2,000
Price: $10,995 (MSRP: $12,995 - $2,000 rebate)
This pricing IS across the board, for everybody no special treatments for "very special" people, as I am just an ordinary "quite" photographer, so I like their pricing.
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So true. This is not like buying a Canon Elph, where having the lowest price probably is a good thing. Since the dealers are usually the point of support when something goes wrong, having a solid relationship with a reputable shop is very important. I think for me, when it comes time to plunk down the cash for a back I would even spend a bit more buying locally at a place like Samy's where I know I can walk in and get help and maybe even a loaner if needed.
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Exactly!
And when you establish a good relationship with a dealer you are more likely going to be treated to some better pricing. I have one resource for everything and I am treated very well on prices, service, loaners, rentals and just general consideration. For my Leaf back I was given excellent pricing, perhaps better than anywhere else.
Ian L. Sitren
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Exactly!
And when you establish a good relationship with a dealer you are more likely going to be treated to some better pricing. I have one resource for everything and I am treated very well on prices, service, loaners, rentals and just general consideration. For my Leaf back I was given excellent pricing, perhaps better than anywhere else.
Ian L. Sitren
http://SecondFocus.com (http://SecondFocus.com)
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I have decided to upgrade my Leaf to another Leaf but this happened because of the persistence and dedication of the Leaf Reps not because of their dealer.
The dealers of other brands over here were a lot worse even. Only one of the Phase dealers responded with an offer (which actually was quite good). The other 2 have not responded on more than one price request. The Sinar dealer over here has never gotten back to me. According to a friend the Hassie dealer in Belgium is very good (for some reason I did not ask them for a quote)
How difficult is it to answer when somebody asks you, "I am interested in your product x, what will it cost me? Can you trade in my old product y?"
No response after repeating the same question a couple of times doesn't instill a lot of faith with me. I am not interested in demo's, I am not interested in help or taking up whatever time from that dealer. I just want to know how much money to bring and where to put it in exchange for picking up the product. Even that seems to be too much trouble for some dealers.
Can anyone blame me from wanting the lowest possible price, for not being willing to pay for a man in the middle that is more an obstacle than an asset?
With respect to all the great dealers that are reported to be out there, I am very glad reps from the manufacturers are stepping in and taking over in some places. It is good to have that option because in the end it is about the product you use and not the relationship you have with a dealer. I never tell my clients how nice my dealer is but I will tell them how great the images are that come out of my back.
Again, I have no problems with paying for someone that actually makes a difference. I see a big risk in trusting too much upon a VAR system where a manufacturer is relying upon dealers with regards to sales & service. I think it is a wise decision some manufacturers choose to get a more direct relationship with their clients and prospects. In that case, if the dealer is good there is no problem in other cases it is good that there is an alternative.
It kept me working with Leaf instead of going for Phase.
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"Are the prices on the linked sheet the actual price or are those prices negotiable? I think what inspires anxiety in most photographers looking into medium format digital is there seems to be a perception of secrecy in the actual price of the gear."
Bob,
The price list that Dave had posted are the list prices, but they are negotiable. There are a few factors that will come into play on the prices. Will you need training or phone support? Do you need a one year or three year warranty?
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
www.captureintegration.com
P.S. Sorry for the delay in my post, but I was on my honeymoon.
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P.S. Sorry for the delay in my post, but I was on my honeymoon.
You call that an excuse?!?!?!?
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You call that an excuse?!?!?!?
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I know it's a lame excuse! It won't happen again! It was rather odd going cold turkey on e-mail, cell phones and forums. I do have to admit that it was rather nice to spend the day just kicking back like a Corona commercial.
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
www.captureintegration.com
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