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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: allenlux on January 03, 2007, 01:24:37 pm
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Could this be it?
http://www.amazon.com/Lightroom-Mlp-Retail...UTF8&s=software (http://www.amazon.com/Lightroom-Mlp-Retail-Ue-1U/dp/B000M9CMC8/sr=1-3/qid=1167848300/ref=sr_1_3/102-9110307-8540145?ie=UTF8&s=software)
The price is $204.99
You can add it to your shopping cart, but delivery is stated at 4-6 weeks, which is Amazon-speak for "sometime in the future", so probably not to be taken too literally.
John
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I think Amazon is just jumping the gun considering it's not called by that stupid "Adobe Photoshop Lightroom" name.
$204.99 is a bit of an odd price too.
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I believe RawShooterPro users get version 1.0 of Adobe Lightroom free. Is there a write up (instructions) somewhere of “the process” to take advantage of this?
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I'm sure they'll announce the upgrade process once LR 1.0 exists. Until then, no instructions.
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I think Amazon is just jumping the gun considering it's not called by that stupid "Adobe Photoshop Lightroom" name.
I thought I read some where that Adobe Photoshop Lightroom was the official name, after it had been just plain Adobe Lightroom.
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Could this be it?
http://www.amazon.com/Lightroom-Mlp-Retail...UTF8&s=software (http://www.amazon.com/Lightroom-Mlp-Retail-Ue-1U/dp/B000M9CMC8/sr=1-3/qid=1167848300/ref=sr_1_3/102-9110307-8540145?ie=UTF8&s=software)
The price is $204.99
You can add it to your shopping cart, but delivery is stated at 4-6 weeks, which is Amazon-speak for "sometime in the future", so probably not to be taken too literally.
John
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Maybe put in your shopping cart next to VISTA? LOL
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James
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Maybe put in your shopping cart next to VISTA? LOL
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James
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LOL
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$204.00!! No thank you. I think I'll wait a week after it comes out and download it from same place I got PSCS2, CS3, C1, etc...Torrent Reactor!!(http://www.harleypeople.org/ubb/graemlins/naughty.gif)
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$204.00!! No thank you. I think I'll wait a week after it comes out and download it from same place I got PSCS2, CS3, C1, etc...Torrent Reactor!! you can not even fall back on caveat emptor if you never bought it in the first place
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$204.00!! No thank you. I think I'll wait a week after it comes out and download it from same place I got PSCS2, CS3, C1, etc...Torrent Reactor!!(http://www.harleypeople.org/ubb/graemlins/naughty.gif)
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I hope you get what you deserve.
On second thought, I think Ill add this little piece of information for you smartypants. The owner of this forum is capable of tracing your information, no matter how unforthcoming you may be with the details. He could, in fact, get your address from your ISP. He is a pretty good friend of a lot of people who work for Adobe.
And those good people are precisely the ones from whom you are stealing when you steal the software they create.
Now, aren't you clever?
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$204.00!! No thank you. I think I'll wait a week after it comes out and download it from same place I got PSCS2, CS3, C1, etc...Torrent Reactor!!(http://www.harleypeople.org/ubb/graemlins/naughty.gif)
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$35,000 for a Phase P45? No thank you. I think I'll "download" it from the store.
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I think $200 is a very good price point. Least we forget that the original Camera raw plug-in was $99.
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$35,000 for a Phase P45? No thank you. I think I'll "download" it from the store.
ROFL!!!!
$204.00!! No thank you. I think I'll wait a week after it comes out and download it from same place I got PSCS2, CS3, C1, etc...Torrent Reactor!!
Seriously... go buy the software.. if nothing else you are supporting future updates and development.
Downloading commercial software from warez sites is illegal - and is a crime [a federal crime at that]. There is no difference between this and walking into a computer store and shoplifting a copy.
Would you shoplift a copy?
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Downloading commercial software from warez sites is illegal - and is a crime [a federal crime at that]. There is no difference between this and walking into a computer store and shoplifting a copy.
IANAL, but copyright infringement on that level is a civil issue (note that the RIAA is suing people, not getting the FBI to raid them and throw them in prison). It becomes a criminal issue on a larger scale (e.g. illegal duplication and sale of DVDs).
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<snip>On second thought, I think Ill add this little piece of information for you smartypants. The owner of this forum is capable of tracing your information, no matter how unforthcoming you may be with the details. He could, in fact, get your address from your ISP. <snip>.
Ever heard of IP Anonomizer? The only thing the owner of this forum is gonna find is a proxy server in Indonesia. Even if he could locate me, do you think the FBI is gonna kick down my door because I made a claim on some obscure message forum that I obtained my Adobe software from a torrent site? The FBI is way too busy confiscating the computers from little Johnny's family who were investigated for domestic terrorism after little Johnny blew up a red ant hill with leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July that he took apart and put in a model airplane paint bottle. However, let them come...they'll find purchase receipts and registered serial numbers for all software loaded on my computer's hard drive.
And those good people are precisely the ones from whom you are stealing when you steal the software they create.<snip>
Oh, I'm sure that my copy of CS2 really took a chunk out of Adobe's record-setting revenue earnings of 2.6 Billion dollars for 2006...$682 Million of which was in the 4th Quarter alone!! Do you honestly think if everyone suddenly stopped illegally sharing their software the Adobe stock holders would allow the company to lower the outrageous price of their products and cut into their profit margin?
Of course, I'm sure I'm the only dishonest person on this forum...I'm certain no one here has never downloaded a free MP3 song or lied on an IRS filing or told a traffic cop a bogus story to get out of a speeding ticket.
You may think I'm comparing apples to oranges...but a dishonest act comes in all forms.
"Let the one amongst you without sin cast the first stone"
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Of course, I'm sure I'm the only dishonest person on this forum...I'm certain no one here has never downloaded a free MP3 song or lied on an IRS filing or told a traffic cop a bogus story to get out of a speeding ticket.
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Possibly not. But you, on the other hand, have not made for a very graceful first few posts-to the point that I for one have chosen to IGNORE you as a user.
Pretty inauspicious start to your membership here at LL.
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Do you honestly think if everyone suddenly stopped illegally sharing their software the Adobe stock holders would allow the company to lower the outrageous price of their products and cut into their profit margin?
This whole conversation with you, click-n-steal, is becoming tiresome. You have a lot of growing up to do I think. Bragging about stealing is pretty juvenile. You've definitely struck a blow against The Man--puff out your chest with pride.
You imply that your judgment that Adobe's prices are "outrageous" justifies your theft of their product. Dress it up however you like, that makes you a thief. Complaining that "everyone does it" changes nothing.
No one here has claimed a saintly existence, and had you not bragged about your misdeeds none would have been the wiser. But you proclaim it to the world, and act indignant when someone objects! Your momma musta dropped you on your head, dude.
Just like I'd turn in a shoplifter I saw nicking a necktie, I'd call you on your theft, given that you're dumb enough to boast about it. I don't want to pay more, nor have to put up with aggravating software-activation schemes, because of the likes of you.
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Theft is theft, regardless of whether its from a huge company, or a small mom and pop corner store, or your neighbor, or...
I'm interested to see how much Lightroom is going to run, personally... And how well it runs with the final performance compilation, fixes, etc, etc, etc... So far, it seems to fill a nice niche in my personal workflow, so...
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<SNIP> I for one have chosen to IGNORE you as a user.
Oh shit, now I wont be able to sleep tonight!!
Pretty inauspicious start to your membership here at LL.
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"Membership"?? This is an electronic bulletin board, not the ASPP. Get a grip for chrissakes!!
This whole conversation with you, click-n-steal, is becoming tiresome. You have a lot of blah, blah, blah...
(http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/smilies/jerkit.gif)
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LOL That last post is icing on the cake.
Not to interested in having anyone help you out or listen to you in in the future in any way are you?
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Back to the subject, shall we?
Amazon frequently offers for sale books that are not published, so nothing unusual about their offer of software. The price seems about right and so does the timeframe.
I was thinking that 200 to 225 or so, 250 at the most, would be reasonable. Lightroom is fabulous software. I can't wait to get going. (hesitant about using 4.1)
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I think this may be an Amazon glitch - someone has got some prerelease information.
Hope the price is true though and I hope that they don't do the £ for $ thing in the UK like they dow with most things!!
JD
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That's not too awful on the price (student discount, YEEHA) for what it does. I wonder if there's any chance of a bundle with CS3 though.
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just an idea for mr point&shoot...if you would invest the time you are spending on hacking and cracking on ...actual work, you could simply buy the stuff...but i guess some people steal for the thrill of it....
i am not saying that i have never copied software or ripped a freinds CD...but sometimes the work necessary just isn't worth the time....
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just an idea for mr point&shoot...if you would invest the time you are spending on hacking and cracking on ...actual work, you could simply buy the stuff...but i guess some people steal for the thrill of it....
i am not saying that i have never copied software or ripped a freinds CD...but sometimes the work necessary just isn't worth the time....
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Dude, there's no "thrill" (other than saving $1100 on a software suite), and its effortless. Download the program, run the keygen...done. I'm not proud of the fact that I can't afford to spend that kind of coin on software...but on the same token I'm not ashamed that I scored a free copy. Is it wrong?...yeah. Do I care?...not really.
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point-n-shoot
It seems a bit pointless to admit that you use 'hooky' software in this forum as some of the people who are major contributors of this forum actually write the stuff in the first place (or certainly have major influences in the industry).
The whole reason for me joining this forum was to help with what little knowledge I have, but mostly to get pretty much 'free consultancy' from what many consider to be some of the best in the business.
What was you reason for joining exactly other than to start a flame thread and get ignored by folk?
Seems a shame to me.
JD
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I always find it ironic the number of photogs who are so quick to score the free software and yet are so rabbid when it comes to defending their own copyright. (P&S, that wasn't strictly for your benifit or anything, I was just thinking aloud)
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I think $200 is a very good price point. Least we forget that the original Camera raw plug-in was $99.
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Yes, and I only used it for a year (maybe less) before I upgraded to a newer version of PS (and maybe a newer camera body too--I can't remember),------BUT--it was worth it for the purpose at the time.
$200 isn't bad for what it offers for those that can use all of it. I do get a free version, but will probably still upgrade to CS3 and use it most of the time. It depends upon what you want/need. I use a number of plugins, actions, etc.---so PS after RAW conversion works better for me (plus I do have IMatch--and use other RCs also--but not as often these days since working with LR and now PS ACR).
Diane
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Dude, there's no "thrill" (other than saving $1100 on a software suite), and its effortless. Download the program, run the keygen...done. I'm not proud of the fact that I can't afford to spend that kind of coin on software...but on the same token I'm not ashamed that I scored a free copy. Is it wrong?...yeah. Do I care?...not really.
Well, here's to hoping that your PC will be hijacked by the crackers' software, and that your internet access is shut down because of that.
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Well, look at it this way...if it weren't for people like me, you honest, law-abiding folks would have no one to complain about.
One thing I am curious about is how Adobe is going to justify charging $200+ for software that they've essentially already given away. I mean, the final version is going to need significant added features over Beta 4 to justify the cost...right?
I wonder what they're holding back.
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Well, look at it this way...if it weren't for people like me, you honest, law-abiding folks would have no one to complain about.
One thing I am curious about is how Adobe is going to justify charging $200+ for software that they've essentially already given away. I mean, the final version is going to need significant added features over Beta 4 to justify the cost...right?
I wonder what they're holding back.
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they haven't given away anything...they let the public use a beta version, which will expire....a smart move to get people hooked...
i think 200 is very fair...considering aperture was 500 when it was announced...and still sold copies....now it is 300?...the 200 is actually more then fair....hard to not buy it at that price...
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Point and Shoot is obviously here strutting around his childish point of view in order to ruffle some feathers. Most kids go through some sort of phase like this. Most of us have gotten over it by the time we reach 25.
I have always admired the civil and intelligent tone of the Luminous Landscape forum. Let's choose to ignore the troll and hopefully he will just go away. Shall we?
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Shall we?
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Already done...
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they haven't given away anything...they let the public use a beta version, which will expire....<snip>
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Mine doesn't expire
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Mine doesn't expire
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Cute . . .
If you *ever* really need support or have a question here is my response in advance:
1) Open a command window
2) At the prompt type "diskpart.exe"
3) In the ensuing command window, type "clean"
hope this helps - John
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Cute . . .
If you *ever* really need support or have a question here is my response in advance:
1) Open a command window
2) At the prompt type "diskpart.exe"
3) In the ensuing command window, type "clean"
hope this helps - John
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BWAHAAHAHAHAAH! Post of the week! I Luv it! And I dearly wish he would do it!
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Yes, I think that would be an excellent preventive maintenance measure for point-n-sh*t. He should do it right away.
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amazon.com today:
Lightroom 1 Mlp Retail Ue 1U
Other products by Adobe
Platform: No Operating System
Price: $306.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details
Pre-Order Price Guarantee! Order now and if the Amazon.com price decreases between your order time and release date, you'll receive the lowest price. See Details
Availability: This item will be released on February 19, 2007. Pre-order now!.
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February 19th???? That's cutting it a bit fine if you ask me - the beta runs out at the end of Feb!! I heard it was due at the begining of next week... but rumours are normally wrong.
As for $306 that seems ok but I will not be impressed if they just convert that same number into other foreign currency.
I will NOT be paying £300 for this software! So I make this plea to Adobe...please please please don't rip off people outside of the US with inflated prices i.e. The US version of CS2 is about $599 whilst the UK version is £500 (about $950). UK taxes do not double the price so this is just plain wrong....
Sorry for the rant folks...I'm just concerned that Lightroom will end up being out of my budget just because I don't live in the US!
I suppose I could order it from B&H when it appears - even paying import tax I probaly will make a huge saving.
JD
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As for $306 that seems ok but I will not be impressed if they just convert that same number into other foreign currency.
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JD
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I would..... Please, please, PLEASE make that 306 Swedish Kronor!
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Yup that works out about £22 I think....... If they sell it that cheap I will drive to Sweden to buy a copy
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Yup that works out about £22 I think....... If they sell it that cheap I will drive to Sweden to buy a copy
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You´re welcome...
Seriously, however, reliable inside information has it that LR will be available in two versions: either the special, limited version with a signed portrait of Jeff Schewe, for $270, or the standard version without a portrait, for $300.....
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Seriously, however, reliable inside information has it that LR will be available in two versions: either the special, limited version with a signed portrait of Jeff Schewe, for $270, or the standard version without a portrait, for $300.....
I'd buy the Schewe version, if the print was good (and out of beta)!
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As for $306 that seems ok but I will not be impressed if they just convert that same number into other foreign currency.
I will NOT be paying £300 for this software! So I make this plea to Adobe...please please please don't rip off people outside of the US with inflated prices i.e. The US version of CS2 is about $599 whilst the UK version is £500 (about $950). UK taxes do not double the price so this is just plain wrong...
I'm waiting to see if LR is integrated into CS Suite, it should be!
I also live in the UK, so I could fly to the US buy the whole CS Suite there, have a holiday, come back, pay import taxes and save money over buying it in the UK.
If I buy the exact same bit of software as a US resident and download it from the same server I get to pay as jdyke mentions above nearly twice the price or PS. When a product like a bike or car has to be shipped across the Atlantic, there are additional costs to supplier, but it seems as though Adobe have simply kept the price differences and pocketed the profit.
I can claim my software purchases against tax, so no big deal for me, but although I think point+sh*t is an idiot, the temptation to use pirated software is greatly increased if you think you are being ripped off. The other thing that strikes me is how computer kit gets cheaper by the year and software gets more expensive. Even though manufacturing costs have been reduced to near zero and a decent printed manual now non-existent.
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I'm waiting to see if LR is integrated into CS Suite, it should be!
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hard luck...
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I also live in the UK, so I could fly to the US buy the whole CS Suite there, have a holiday, come back, pay import taxes and save money over buying it in the UK....
I can't comment about the situation in the UK but here in Switzerland, price for Lightroom is more or less on par with the US price.
• Price on the Adobe [Swiss] store is 285 SF (VAT included).
• US price is US$200 * 1.26 (exch. rate) * + 7.6% (VAT) = 270 SF.
Now, if you add local tax on top of the US price, you'll see that current price is honest.
I cannot say the same with Photoshop CS 2 upgrade as the reseller price was higher in Switzerland than the US end user price. Let's just hope that price differential between the US and European prices will get narrower in the future.
Edit: I'm talking about English language versions, German or French versions are probably more expensive.
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I can't comment about the situation in the UK but here in Switzerland, price for Lightroom is more or less on par with the US price.
• Price on the Adobe [Swiss] store is 285 SF (VAT included).
• US price is US$200 * 1.26 (exch. rate) * + 7.6% (VAT) = 270 SF.
Now, if you add local tax on top of the US price, you'll see that current price is honest.
I cannot say the same with Photoshop CS 2 upgrade as the reseller price was higher in Switzerland than the US end user price. Let's just hope that price differential between the US and European prices will get narrower in the future.
Edit: I'm talking about English language versions, German or French versions are probably more expensive.
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Adobe's UK web site is listing Lightroom at £125 initial offer, £175 thereafter. Plus VAT at 17.5%, of course.
Shipping end February, though.
Jeremy
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Adobe's UK web site is listing Lightroom at £125 initial offer, £175 thereafter. Plus VAT at 17.5%, of course.
Shipping end February, though.
Jeremy
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The price is quite a bit higher than the swiss price. Current exchange rate (2.46 SF for 1£) means £125*2.46 = SF 308 (+ VAT)...
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The price is quite a bit higher than the swiss price. Current exchange rate (2.46 SF for 1£) means £125*2.46 = SF 308 (+ VAT)...
Hey, relax, you're not the only guys who are paying much.
The price before taxes in Norway is NOK 1480, or USD 235. But our MVA (nearly VAT equivalent) is 25% ...
Of course, the full price for Lightroom will be NOK 2120, or USD 336, plus MVA.
So, basically, Adobe has an exchange rate insurance policy on the dollar of 15-20%, which seems prudent, given the instability of the dollar.
My guess is that if the dollar was a stable currency, the exchange rates would be more favourable.
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Hey, relax, you're not the only guys who are paying much.
The price before taxes in Norway is NOK 1480, or USD 235. But our MVA (nearly VAT equivalent) is 25% ...
Of course, the full price for Lightroom will be NOK 2120, or USD 336, plus MVA.
So, basically, Adobe has an exchange rate insurance policy on the dollar of 15-20%, which seems prudent, given the instability of the dollar.
My guess is that if the dollar was a stable currency, the exchange rates would be more favourable.
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Well, I must say that I'm really happy as the swiss price is on par (or even a bit cheaper) with the US price. But I find surprising that other european customers don't enjoy a fair price.
Ex: I am paying 285 SF (VAT included) and UK customers are paying 308SF + VAT... I guess that Adobe will address the situation by raising the swiss price!
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The price in Australia is on par with USA. I wonder if the difference is currency fluctuations. They have to set a price at some stage for each country, if the dollar then goes up or down against local currency then maybe that is where some of the differences are coming in????