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Title: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Schewe on July 14, 2018, 01:52:35 am
Ok...ya gotta get this tee shirt (I am...)

(http://schewephoto.com/misc/trump-baby.png)

Available from NextLevelA/Trump Baby Blimp! (https://www.nextlevela.com/products/trump-baby-blimp-shirt?variant=12375030726679&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-JvaBRDGARIsAFjqkkpKtzxffo1wx6fBnG0MjMLMyjmxNTrslQ0qjzhTyouxVjTebN3AURYaAscrEALw_wcB)

Now, before ya get all bent out of shape, I offer this article from The Conversation (rated Least Biased high factual reporting from mediabiasfactcheck.com (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-conversation/)

Trump baby balloon: why humour is such a powerful form of protest (https://theconversation.com/trump-baby-balloon-why-humour-is-such-a-powerful-form-of-protest-99724)

(https://images.theconversation.com/files/227574/original/file-20180713-27036-9j1uhf.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=926&fit=clip)

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An inflatable “baby” Donald Trump (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44737293) was the star attraction in London as protestors take to the streets to register their dissatisfaction with the visit of the US president on July 13. Protestors have much to motivate their mobilisation against Trump: from the controversial separation of families at the US-Mexican border, to his misogyny, nepotism, and travel ban. Tens of thousands are expected to attend a “Stop Trump” rally in what organisers have described as a “carnival of resistance”.

Humour, in the forms of chants, performances, satire, cartoons, theatre, jokes, memes and puns has a long tradition in protest movements. It acts as a vehicle to communicate ideas as well as to foster a sense of community – it can cut across linguistic barriers, and increase the resonance of the message.

All protests have a target, something or someone to galvanise others to action. The goal of the crowdfunded inflatable is to annoy the famously thin-skinned president. The six-metre tall balloon depicts Trump as a snarling baby in a nappy with tiny hands and moobs. Its purpose is not to change laws or policies, nor to influence his decisions. It is meant to mock and to undermine, suggesting the president is infantile, full of hot air, cartoonish and ridiculous.

The author goes on to talk about the aesthetics of protest on this website: http://www.aestheticsofprotest.com (http://www.aestheticsofprotest.com)

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This project looks at the aesthetic elements of protest and considers the form and effects of participatory actions and dynamics in the call for change. As well as images, symbols, graffiti, forms of rhetoric, humour, and slogans, the project scrutinises the orchestration and flows of collective actions both online and in public spaces. The Gezi Park protests in Turkey of 2013 provide the context of our analysis of the nature of aesthetic action.

Last year we saw the power of local grassroots efforts by https://www.indivisible.org (https://www.indivisible.org) to overturn Trump and the GOP's efforts to repeal and replace the ACA. Now they are working on the SCOTUS nomination...

There were some interesting signs during the London Trump protests (if crowd size matters, Trump got a big crowd out to protest him)

Donald Trump London protest news: Nearly 250,000 protesters march against president's visit (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/donald-trump-london-protest-news-nearly-250000-protesters-march-against-presidents-visit-a3886941.html)

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Nearly 250,000 activists descended on the streets of central London today to protest Donald Trump's visit to the UK, organisers said.

Protesters marched through the capital carrying placards reading "Dump Trump" and "Star Spangled Gobs***".

Aerial images showed the streets of central London from Portland Place to Trafalgar Square packed with tens of thousands of people taking part.

Stop Trump, the group which organised the biggest march, said that there were 250,000 people taking part.

I also loved looking at the "British" style of protest signs:

Best anti-Trump protest signs, posters and placards as he visits the UK (https://www.mirror.co.uk/interactives/best-trump-protest-signs-ahead-12905812)

(https://img.playbuzz.com/image/upload/c_crop/q_auto:good,f_auto,fl_lossy,w_640,c_limit/v1531404212/pcfz3iufp8inmpncfswr.jpg)

(https://img.playbuzz.com/image/upload/c_crop/q_auto:good,f_auto,fl_lossy,w_640,c_limit/v1531500575/t7scaeyp60hawrfjrri1.jpg)

(https://img.playbuzz.com/image/upload/c_crop/q_auto:good,f_auto,fl_lossy,w_640,c_limit/v1531500611/yhg0avdprtjqingdbmlh.jpg)

(https://img.playbuzz.com/image/upload/c_crop/q_auto:good,f_auto,fl_lossy,w_640,c_limit/v1531500572/wal4zgcikxpuyv9elsho.jpg)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on July 14, 2018, 03:43:13 am
Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing. As I walked through Manchester city centre yesterday, there was a crowd of 100 or so people in Albert Square being harangued by a Scottish woman claiming that he was too afraid of them to come to Manchester. They cheered her. And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are. He doesn't know about your silly little self-indulgent gathering and he wouldn't give a damn if he did.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Manoli on July 14, 2018, 04:02:02 am
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/7e0799ccf6c64a85469e12316c7eb9a302a7539f/0_37_4821_2892/master/4821.jpg?w=940&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=c7e015b37e8252dad9fcbb29c753bbf0)

" Les visites font toujours plaisir, si ce n'est en arrivant, du moins en partant. "
- Jean De La Bruyère,
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Schewe on July 14, 2018, 04:05:15 am
Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing.

I dissagre...as discussed in The Conversation (https://theconversation.com/trump-baby-balloon-why-humour-is-such-a-powerful-form-of-protest-99724) article:

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The use of ridicule in this way confirms the public’s relative weakness vis-à-vis governments, multinational corporations and world leaders. But satire and humour foster a sense of solidarity in the face of adversity. For those of us exasperated by the actions of the Trump administration appearing in our daily news feed, mocking Trump is not just a sneer – it gives us a sense of power, at least for a moment.

Mocking strongman leaders is a cathartic exercise and one favoured by protestors around the world, particularly in authoritarian regimes. In response to Vladimir Putin’s repressive treatment of LGBTIQ people in Russia, including the notorious anti-gay propaganda law of 2013, a neon Warholesque image of Putin in full make-up replete with lipstick was widely shared across social media.

As long as the protests remain peaceful and without violence, protests can indeed bring about change–even if the the change is difficult and slow to occur. Sorry, I'm an old hippy that was a Viet Nam war protester (never got busted and never engaged in violence) but it was the people who forced the United States to bring an end to that war.

Also from The Conversation website (and by the same aesthetics of protest group) is this article:

From billboards to Twitter, why the aesthetics of protest matters more today (https://theconversation.com/from-billboards-to-twitter-why-the-aesthetics-of-protest-matters-more-today-97629)

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The recriminations and investigations into the Grenfell Tower fire continue to reverberate a year on, and campaigners and activists have played an important role in keeping up the pressure on those investigating the fire and its aftermath. One of the campaigns that generated a lot of attention through social media (http://theconversation.com/the-grenfell-tower-disaster-lays-bare-the-true-power-of-social-media-81511) was the #Justice4Grenfell billboard campaign (https://justice4grenfell.org/), which riffed on the 2018 Oscar-winning film Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2018/feb/27/three-billboards-outside-ebbing-missouri-best-picture-oscar)

Are you saying resistance is futile?
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: mbaginy on July 14, 2018, 06:36:49 am
As long as the protests remain peaceful and without violence, protests can indeed bring about change–even if the the change is difficult and slow to occur.
+1
I agree with Jeff!
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on July 14, 2018, 07:27:18 am
I like the T shirt. Really good design. Wouldn’t wear it though. President Trump is interesting but not important enough to me one way or another.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: RSL on July 14, 2018, 09:03:55 am
As long as the protests remain peaceful and without violence, protests can indeed bring about change–even if the the change is difficult and slow to occur.

You'd better believe it, Jeff. The crap that's going on will insure a significant Republican victory this November. The Repubs will hang on to the house and increase their majority in the Senate. The so-called "resistance" is just about guaranteeing that result. Trump shoots off his mouth more than the "dignified" would like -- and actually more than I'd like. But he's getting positive results -- especially in the economy -- that we haven't seen since Reagan. If the protests become even more violent than they already are, the result this November will be even more impressive.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Kevin Gallagher on July 14, 2018, 09:20:01 am
 I don't know Russ, maybe if they put a beard on the blimp, long hair, and a vacant facial expression?
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: john beardsworth on July 14, 2018, 09:21:22 am
A few snaps from yesterday....

I was quite interested in a small group that hung around one edge of the square. They said they were "here to support Trump - we're Trump supporters!" and had t shirts of The North East Frontline Patriots - maybe they were the entire group?

Eventually the air had to be let out of the baby.

Shit and bollocks were very much in the air.

Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: john beardsworth on July 14, 2018, 09:32:39 am
And some others with a British spin on protest...

Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Alan Goldhammer on July 14, 2018, 09:36:48 am
Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing. As I walked through Manchester city centre yesterday, there was a crowd of 100 or so people in Albert Square being harangued by a Scottish woman claiming that he was too afraid of them to come to Manchester. They cheered her. And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are. He doesn't know about your silly little self-indulgent gathering and he wouldn't give a damn if he did.

Jeremy
They would have been more constructive protesting against Brexit
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: RSL on July 14, 2018, 09:46:44 am
Right, Alan, just as they were constructive before the Brexit vote. Extreme anger in politics makes people blind as well as stupid.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Chris Kern on July 14, 2018, 11:23:53 am
And some others with a British spin on protest...

The little boy with the bullhorn in the first image in this series makes the picture!  (It would have been even better if you had shifted the frame down and to the left a little, even if that meant losing some of the location context.)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: James Clark on July 14, 2018, 11:37:08 am
But he's getting positive results -- especially in the economy -- that we haven't seen since Reagan.

Huh?  ???
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: john beardsworth on July 14, 2018, 11:43:02 am
The little boy with the bullhorn in the first image in this series makes the picture!  (It would have been even better if you had shifted the frame down and to the left a little, even if that meant losing some of the location context.)

To be honest, I only saw him when reviewing the pictures. It's the corgi sign that I noticed.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: digitaldog on July 14, 2018, 11:46:59 am
Jeff, don't forget this keeper!  8)

Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: KLaban on July 14, 2018, 12:06:42 pm
Jeff, don't forget this keeper!  8)

Want one.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: digitaldog on July 14, 2018, 12:21:23 pm
Want one.
https://theofficialworldsgreatesttroll.com
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 14, 2018, 12:28:50 pm
Ok...ya gotta get this tee shirt (I am...)...

You are paying $40+ for a t-shirt!? Gee!
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 14, 2018, 12:58:28 pm
The troll is only $25.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 14, 2018, 01:14:39 pm
... he's getting positive results -- especially in the economy -- that we haven't seen since Reagan...

Huh?  ???

Simple googling, and I hope the titles are self explanatory:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/fed-emphasizes-solid-us-economic-growth-repeats-gradual-approach.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-roars-into-the-fast-lane-but-some-scratches-are-starting-to-show-2018-07-14

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/us-economy-great-china-not-192648932.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2018-07-12/fed-chair-powell-says-economy-in-good-place-at-moment

And a quote from a Financial Times article (bold mine):

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Jay Powell has given an upbeat assessment of the economy, predicting that tax cuts and spending increases could deliver a “significant” boost to the economy for at least the next three years.

FT article here: https://www.ft.com/content/8242652c-8607-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d

So... while you guys are playing with dolls and balloons... and engaging in other infantile activities...

Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: James Clark on July 14, 2018, 01:28:24 pm
Simple googling, and I hope the titles are self explanatory:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/fed-emphasizes-solid-us-economic-growth-repeats-gradual-approach.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-roars-into-the-fast-lane-but-some-scratches-are-starting-to-show-2018-07-14

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/us-economy-great-china-not-192648932.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2018-07-12/fed-chair-powell-says-economy-in-good-place-at-moment

And a quote from a Financial Times article (bold mine):

FT article here: https://www.ft.com/content/8242652c-8607-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d

So... while you guys are playing with dolls and balloons...

Oh, I'm not questioning that the economy seems to be humming along nicely.  Rather, I'm wondering what it is that makes Trumpers continually exaggerate, prevaricate and, well, just plain lie, about things that would be fine on the surface, but for some reason have to be made "the best" or "the biggest ever" or whatever other fish tale is being spun today.  Yeah, the economy is fine right now.  But we're not seeing much that's "the best ever since Reagan" unless you want to talk about figures that are clear extensions of trends from the previous administration.  The economy remains in fine shape today.  It was fine the last several years under Obama, too.

That last FT link is interesting, by the way.  How long do you think it would take me to find folks on this very forum who support Trump complaining about Obama deficits back in the day?  :)

And I'm not playing with balloons or dolls at the moment - I promised the wife I'd clean the house.  I'm starting with the toilets ;)

https://www.etsy.com/listing/605577936/trump-toilet-brush-make-toilet-great?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_c-home_and_living-bathroom-bathroom_decor&utm_custom1=041963da-969e-4958-a9bd-09550404e239&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvqbaBRCOARIsAD9s1XAvTPsKmqATyVkeFAIX34NjiGoMm72lvsdbrMlSUdzSP77G96hR--8aAqEsEALw_wcB
(https://i.etsystatic.com/8302799/r/il/0bc81d/1571111199/il_570xN.1571111199_qfry.jpg)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on July 14, 2018, 01:33:47 pm
They would have been more constructive protesting against Brexit

No, that would have been just as futile.

I make no point about whether Trump is a Good or a Bad Thing, or whether his effect on the economy (of the US or of anywhere else) has been malign or beneficial. My only point is that hanging around on street corners in Manchester, when Trump isn't coming within a hundred miles of the place, produces nothing but warm glows of smug self-satisfaction.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: john beardsworth on July 14, 2018, 01:47:19 pm
Any self-satisfaction belongs to London, of course, as the proposed state visit was reduced to a couple of out-of-town palaces.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: JNB_Rare on July 14, 2018, 02:24:31 pm
I make no point about whether Trump is a Good or a Bad Thing, or whether his effect on the economy (of the US or of anywhere else) has been malign or beneficial. My only point is that hanging around on street corners in Manchester, when Trump isn't coming within a hundred miles of the place, produces nothing but warm glows of smug self-satisfaction.

That's probably the way Trump felt about his Sun interview. I guess we'll see if his comments further poleaxe the beleaguered May, or if he's managed to pique enough Brits to balance it out.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: RSL on July 14, 2018, 03:16:29 pm
I read a thread like this one and have to laugh when I realize the people who are complaining because Trump is shooting off his mouth are the ones who are posting the kind of stuff I see in this thread. They make Trump seem positively quiet and subdued.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Farmer on July 14, 2018, 05:20:46 pm
That last FT link is interesting, by the way.  How long do you think it would take me to find folks on this very forum who support Trump complaining about Obama deficits back in the day?  :)

"As you know, we've inherited quite a budget crisis from President Trump," President Simpson told her first meeting of economic advisers in the Oval Office.
"How bad is it, Secretary (Milhouse) Van Houten?"

"We're broke."
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Rob C on July 14, 2018, 05:21:27 pm
I dissagre...as discussed in The Conversation (https://theconversation.com/trump-baby-balloon-why-humour-is-such-a-powerful-form-of-protest-99724) article:

As long as the protests remain peaceful and without violence, protests can indeed bring about change–even if the the change is difficult and slow to occur. Sorry, I'm an old hippy that was a Viet Nam war protester (never got busted and never engaged in violence) but it was the people who forced the United States to bring an end to that war.

Also from The Conversation website (and by the same aesthetics of protest group) is this article:

From billboards to Twitter, why the aesthetics of protest matters more today (https://theconversation.com/from-billboards-to-twitter-why-the-aesthetics-of-protest-matters-more-today-97629)

Are you saying resistance is futile?


The "people"?

And all the while I thought it was the spirit of the indefatigable Viets and the sight of body bags coming home that turned political stomachs.

You also seem to have overlooked the resistance, the strength that's drawn from pure bloody hatred of those alien people in your country killing you and yours without word or possibility of word of explanation. Check out Afghanistan, Iraq etc. and tell me the effect student protest has had.

Personally, I think the whole youth protest thing had very little importance to governmental thinking which I would imagine was fixated on other things than pot-happy students. As with the soporific effect of national sports, allowing people to get stoned is a good way of keeping them occupied and reasonably docile whilst you get on with whatever you had in mind when running for political power. Seems a good reads for legalising drugs these days...
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 14, 2018, 07:45:14 pm
The troll is only $25.

Plenty of trolls here, for free ;)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Farmer on July 14, 2018, 08:32:12 pm
Plenty of trolls here, for free ;)

Don't undervalue yourself, Slobo - I hear the Russians are paying reasonably well these days :-)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Farmer on July 14, 2018, 08:39:54 pm
No, that would have been just as futile.

I make no point about whether Trump is a Good or a Bad Thing, or whether his effect on the economy (of the US or of anywhere else) has been malign or beneficial. My only point is that hanging around on street corners in Manchester, when Trump isn't coming within a hundred miles of the place, produces nothing but warm glows of smug self-satisfaction.


I think you're quite wrong here.

It's about community and about showing support.  If nothing else, you've posted about it and brought that little protest to the attention of hundreds of people around the world - I doubt you're the only one to have commented.  In a connected world, everywhere can be next door and everyone your neighbour.

So while Trump accuses newspapers of telling lies even though they have the recording of him saying what they've quoted him as saying, the truth of the feelings of a wider community is easily conveyed and it resonates.  And when it's seen to be part of many protests and comments it forms part of a whole that is certainly large enough to make a difference.  Not to Trump - on that you're right.  He's sociopathic in many ways (I don't know if he's actually got antisocial personality disorder, but he shares a lot of the same traits).  So he doesn't care.  He only cares about himself (he's definitely a narcissist) and everything he does is for his own personal agenda of making him "the best" in his eyes.

But it does matter to other people, including people in his own political party, and even some of the people who voted for him (sure, there are those who will never vote for anyone other than whoever their party's candidate is no matter what and will defend them to the death pretty much - there are several in this forum).  This is true of all sides of politics.  The key, though, is those who are not extreme in their views, who are at least somewhat open about their politicial stands and who may choose to vote differently as a result.  It matters when enough people in his party start to speak against him.  It all adds weight.

Sure, it also makes people feel good.  What's so bad about that?
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 14, 2018, 09:05:50 pm
Some Brits have had that commie streak for quite some time. The Cambridge Five. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Robert Roaldi on July 14, 2018, 11:11:48 pm
It's usually risky assigning blame or kudos to the sitting authority when the economy is good or bad, not that it stops anyone. I was listening to a recent episode of the Indicator NPR podcast, whose subject was the jobless numbers statistics. US job creation was very good recently, 250,000 new jobs (forget which month), which is good, and job creation has been near 200,000 every month for the past 8 years. Economists are surprised because a job recovery has never lasted this long. No matter how good a job anyone thinks Trump is doing, it's difficult to imagine that his policies helped the economy for the 6 years preceding his election.

The podcast went on with some other interesting observations. The job recovery has NOT happened at the same time as wage recovery, which is stagnant, and in fact, below the current inflation rate for the last year. This is not good, for wage earners anyway.

Another point made was that the gig economy (Uber, AirB&B, etc.) has not had a major impact on permanent job growth. However, significant numbers of people are finding 2nd jobs with those companies. This may be part of a longer term trend. Middle class wages have been stagnant since the 1980s, which has meant that increasingly both husband and wife had to work to maintain the family lifestyle. I speculate that what might be happening now is that those same people might also need to take on 2nd jobs to maintain their lifestyle, and part of the reason for that is stagnant wage growth. It's difficult to be definitive about this since so much of people's lives have changed in that time, so that comparing lives now to lives in the 1950s is a little like comparing apples to oranges, but still if you have to work ever increasing hours to live your life, that's a bit of a reversal of historical trends.

One other thing they referred to was the odd timing of the tax cuts brought in by Trump. It's unusual to introduce economic stimulus when the economy is doing well. Up till now that was contra-indicated. The usual routine is to stimulate when things are slow, no need to do so when things are improving all on their own. Economists are watching this with interest, kind of a real-time experiment. But you wonder what Trump will do when the economy heads south again, if he's already used up some stimulus room.

Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Robert Roaldi on July 14, 2018, 11:16:03 pm
Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing. As I walked through Manchester city centre yesterday, there was a crowd of 100 or so people in Albert Square being harangued by a Scottish woman claiming that he was too afraid of them to come to Manchester. They cheered her. And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are. He doesn't know about your silly little self-indulgent gathering and he wouldn't give a damn if he did.

Jeremy

Just saw this posting, so this response may be out of sequence. It's probably wrong to assign too much importance to this kind of public demonstration, but I don't agree with your casual dismissal. If these kinds of protests really were worthless, no one would pay them any attention, and authorities all over the world would not have expanded so much energy in thwarting popular protests over the years, and freedom of assembly would not be considered so important.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Manoli on July 15, 2018, 03:35:06 am
And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are.

Interesting train of thought there, Jeremy.
I could understand 'futile' , but self-important, smug, arrogant .. in response to an innocuous gathering ?
Better suited as an epithet on an 'arch-Leaver' Parliamentarian's Curriculum Vitae*

Edit:
*off-topic and Brexit related.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Ivophoto on July 15, 2018, 05:17:58 am
Maybe the protest on such is of no influence, but how it is in the media....

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Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: stamper on July 15, 2018, 07:17:29 am
Some from Scotland.
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 07:38:55 am
Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing. As I walked through Manchester city centre yesterday, there was a crowd of 100 or so people in Albert Square being harangued by a Scottish woman claiming that he was too afraid of them to come to Manchester. They cheered her. And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are. He doesn't know about your silly little self-indulgent gathering and he wouldn't give a damn if he did.

Jeremy


For my penny, you have it exactly right.

Apart from the poor woman wasting her fifteen minutes in that manner, why in hell would anyone on a transatlantic trip want to waste taxpayer dollars going there?

People of great independent wealth - even many of much lower wealth - don't, for a nanosecond, consider or care what the rabble-rouser element thinks.

Politicians depend on their own, deeply embedded local heroes to do the heavy lifting whilst they do the public relations number in the eye of world media.

By and large, Brit (if Scot lady admits to that) opinion matters little to nothing at all on the international scene. A great power has decided to weaken its own power within its immediate neighbourhood, Europe, so how the hell would that poor, dementer lady in Manchester think she "makes a difference", to use a contemporary bleat of self-importance, within an even wider world that smiles at the UK as at some six-year-old who wants to be an engine driver when he grows up?

Fiddles, fires.

Rob
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 07:48:42 am
Looking at the evidence in the snaps from James Clark and stamper, you must conclude that Mr T has indeed been good for business, all over the world! None of that crap would have been manufactured without him.

There is almost always a positive side.

:-)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: KLaban on July 15, 2018, 08:29:37 am
Do the bleats of self importance here on LuLa make a difference?

;-)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 08:37:55 am
Do the bleats of self importance here on LuLa make a difference?

;-)

None whatsoever.

:-)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: stamper on July 15, 2018, 10:00:28 am
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/15/theresa-may-donald-trump-told-me-to-sue-the-eu

For how much?
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: James Clark on July 15, 2018, 10:01:10 am
Do the bleats of self importance here on LuLa make a difference?

;-)

Mine definitely do.  The rest of y’all?  Nah.  ;). :D
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 15, 2018, 10:06:57 am
Mine definitely do.  The rest of y’all?  Nah.  ;). :D

Lucky you, you have Trump to clean up your mess ;)
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: James Clark on July 15, 2018, 10:21:58 am
Lucky you, you have Trump to clean up your mess ;)

Even the Trumpbrush couldn’t clean up this much BS :D
Title: Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
Post by: Schewe on July 17, 2018, 12:20:16 am
I seems Trump Baby is coming to America!!!

'Trump Baby' protest blimp is coming to America (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna891891)

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A GoFundMe page  (https://www.gofundme.com/fund-to-bring-baby-trump-to-america) to bring the giant blimp of ‘Baby Trump’ — from the recent protests in the U.K. (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-visit-britain-faces-mass-protest-marches-giant-baby-n885321) — to the United States has raised more than $10,000 in just three days, doubling its original goal.

"This effort is our commitment to opposing Donald Trump in any way we possibly can," activist Jim Girvan, the co-creator of the fundraising page, told NBC News. "This is an opportunity to get even a little bit closer and even more annoying to the president."

The "Fund To Bring Baby Trump to America" was a joint collaboration between Girvan and activist Didier Jiménez-Castro.

"Didier and I came in contact with one another through grassroots organizations and we put our heads together and had the same idea at the same time," Girvan said.

The Garden State natives collaborated after seeing the impact  (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-visit-britain-faces-mass-protest-marches-giant-baby-n885321) the blimp had when President Trump visited London.

And before you say it's a foolish effort it should be noted that Trump Baby has had an impact on Trump...

President Trump attacks U.K. politicians, says 'baby' blimp makes him feel unwelcome in London (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/12/donald-trump-sun-interview-baby-blimp-makes-me-feel-unwelcome-london/781123002/)

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Although Trump is staying at the U.S. ambassador's London mansion during his two-day trip to London, all of his scheduled public events are outside the city. 

“I used to love London as a city. I haven’t been there in a long time. But when they make you feel unwelcome, why would I stay there?" he said  "I guess when they put out blimps to make me feel unwelcome, no reason for me to go to London."

Trump was referring to the 20-foot "Trump Baby" balloon (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/05/trump-baby-blimp-approved-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-trump-uk-visit/760669002/) floating above protests in London.

Ahhhh, so Donny avoided London because he didn't feel "welcome".

Well, I'm pretty sure he wasn't welcome in London (not after the way Trump has slammed the Muslim mayor of London, Sadiq Khan)...

Hum, I wonder if Trump Baby will fly over Trump golf courses here in the US...

(and you didn't thin Trump Baby would amount to much :~)