Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 28, 2018, 01:15:16 pm
As Rob put it:
Okay, maybe we can establish another box, a place where we can show shots that need have nothing at all to do with human figures, pretty, grotesque or at all, but do look at the shapes, designs or just random images that the town, village or city can give - if it feels so inclined.
Jeremy
Post by: Ivo_B on May 28, 2018, 01:23:03 pm
Rob is upset by my closing his Street Art thread. I don't resile from my contention that I was correct to do so, but I liked his idea. Here is a second thread. Let's try to avoid the quasi-religious discussions of what is and is not "street" photography and stick to photographs and comment thereon.
As Rob put it:
Okay, maybe we can establish another box, a place where we can show shots that need have nothing at all to do with human figures, pretty, grotesque or at all, but do look at the shapes, designs or just random images that the town, village or city can give - if it feels so inclined.
Jeremy
I'll support your decisions and will be happy to contribute to this box.
Here is my first contribution:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4422/36184972213_278cb403af_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X8xrzg)Waiting for the parade (https://flic.kr/p/X8xrzg) by Ivo Bogaerts (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ivophoto/), on Flickr
Post by: Rob C on May 28, 2018, 01:51:49 pm
Rob is upset by my closing his Street Art thread. I don't resile from my contention that I was correct to do so, but I liked his idea. Here is a second thread. Let's try to avoid the quasi-religious discussions of what is and is not "street" photography and stick to photographs and comment thereon.
As Rob put it:
Okay, maybe we can establish another box, a place where we can show shots that need have nothing at all to do with human figures, pretty, grotesque or at all, but do look at the shapes, designs or just random images that the town, village or city can give - if it feels so inclined.
Jeremy
That's a nice gesture, Jeremy; lets hope it proves fruitful!
Rob
Post by: Rob C on May 28, 2018, 02:46:11 pm
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 28, 2018, 05:08:33 pm
Rainy Parisian Summer
(http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/img/s/v-2/p1605754575-6.jpg) (http://www.slobodanblagojevic.com/p691731907/e5fb5decf)
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on May 28, 2018, 05:17:36 pm
Jeremy
Post by: Rob C on May 28, 2018, 05:34:13 pm
Slobodan, that is wonderful. I love it.
Jeremy
Told you!
That's why such definitions make sense: they allow us to understand what we are discussing and why one thing is what it is and not another. It also tells you why some pictures stay in the mind; must be years since I last saw that photograph. I will probably never forget it unless I end up gaga.
:-)
Post by: Chris Kern on May 28, 2018, 06:05:15 pm
As Rob suggested, this might be an example of Street Art: Rainy Parisian Summer
Outstanding!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 28, 2018, 06:22:37 pm
Outstanding!+1.
Post by: RSL on May 28, 2018, 07:49:06 pm
Post by: Ivo_B on May 29, 2018, 02:18:00 pm
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 30, 2018, 11:52:58 pm
Blue sky, puffy clouds, bold colors... Miami today.
Working title: "Alberto in Miami" ;)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1747/42466441091_a079fdff39_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27GBBqP)
Alberto in Miami (https://flic.kr/p/27GBBqP) by Slobodan Blagojevic (https://www.flickr.com/photos/slobodan_blagojevic/), on Flickr
Post by: Farmer on May 31, 2018, 04:18:07 am
Post by: stamper on May 31, 2018, 04:34:29 am
Post by: Farmer on May 31, 2018, 05:54:30 am
Post by: Ivophoto on May 31, 2018, 06:24:15 am
I like this one.
Humor!!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 31, 2018, 02:22:40 pm
+1.
Humor!!
Post by: DavidJ on June 02, 2018, 10:26:05 am
I like this one.The Bongo Club in Edinburgh, the artist is Kirsty Whiten.
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on June 03, 2018, 04:07:44 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on June 03, 2018, 10:53:31 pm
Post by: 32BT on June 09, 2018, 03:11:38 pm
http://detroitphotographic.com/hamtramck
Post by: Rob C on July 14, 2018, 09:16:52 am
From bing a sub-genre almost nobody wanted to understand existed, we ended up seeing a set of very good examples of it!
Hose off the vitriol (carefully), and beneath it, when you scrape off the damage, you find folks do understand but, for their own reasons, prefer to feign ignorance and refusal.
:-)
Post by: Rayyan on July 14, 2018, 09:52:21 am
To quote Eli Wallach ( in a spaghetti western ), ' if you want to shoot; shoot! Don't talk '.
(http://fursan.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-3/p2958202596-4.jpg)
Post by: Two23 on July 14, 2018, 11:12:57 am
Kent in SD
Post by: Rob C on July 14, 2018, 12:22:27 pm
After I retired, the only thing that took me down to the sea was going out on friends' boats.
Sailing the Med was nice, probably still is, but the downside is that lotus eating saps the drive to go look for work if there is a softer alternative available calling you on the telephone line of a morning...
Yep, there is a price to pay for everything, even if it seems free at the time.
And all these years later, local blindness is pretty much absolute. That's really the reason most of us went abroad to work when we could: it switched us on again.
The only exception of whom I know is Sarah Moon: she has stated several times that she feels no wish to work outwith Paris. Considering her style, ability and no doubt location, I think I understand. Maybe Leiter was close, but he did travel away from home a bit for fashion magazines.
Post by: KLaban on July 14, 2018, 12:42:54 pm
Could well be that it's because you live in the sticks that you see the images the city offers. I used to spend a fortune in client money looking for and working in and on "exotic" locations and beaches; a couple of years after moving to this island permanently, after having driven down every deserted, coastal track that allowed a little car to use, all in the name of discovering that something photographically special, I reached the stage where I stopped going to the beach at all unless there was a job on.
After I retired, the only thing that took me down to the sea was going out on friends' boats.
Sailing the Med was nice, probably still is, but the downside is that lotus eating saps the drive to go look for work if there is a softer alternative available calling you on the telephone line of a morning...
Yep, there is a price to pay for everything, even if it seems free at the time.
And all these years later, local blindness is pretty much absolute. That's really the reason most of us went abroad to work when we could: it switched us on again.
The only exception of whom I know is Sarah Moon: she has stated several times that she feels no wish to work outwith Paris. Considering her style, ability and no doubt location, I think I understand. Maybe Leiter was close, but he did travel away from home a bit for fashion magazines.
I'd substitute indifference for blindness. My cameras rarely leave their bag here in the UK.
Post by: Rob C on July 14, 2018, 05:00:59 pm
I'd substitute indifference for blindness. My cameras rarely leave their bag here in the UK.
Yes, I couldn't agree more; indifference is often the result of too much familiarity with something. It can blight relationships as it can anything else, if one is not careful or, better, extraordinarily lucky.
I suppose that a way around it is to think up some project or another, anything, really, just to try and keep the juices, or at least the memory of them, going. Snag is, after doing it a few times, you reach that awful moment of realisation that it's all been just another substitute.
The same thing can happen if you work in a studio for too long at a time. That bloody roll of Colorama ends up taunting and haunting until you just have to go out and do something else.
Post by: Two23 on July 14, 2018, 06:48:34 pm
Kent in SD
Post by: KLaban on July 15, 2018, 05:59:49 am
Yes, I couldn't agree more; indifference is often the result of too much familiarity with something. It can blight relationships as it can anything else, if one is not careful or, better, extraordinarily lucky.
I suppose that a way around it is to think up some project or another, anything, really, just to try and keep the juices, or at least the memory of them, going. Snag is, after doing it a few times, you reach that awful moment of realisation that it's all been just another substitute.
The same thing can happen if you work in a studio for too long at a time. That bloody roll of Colorama ends up taunting and haunting until you just have to go out and do something else.
Rob, I can never decide what is the more important, the travelling or the photography. What I do know is the one would be all the poorer without the other. Our time is increasingly spent exploring pastures new, processing the images from our travels for print and web and researching cultures and destinations for future forays. When not doing this we are busy getting our lives back into order and following our other passions. Oh, and another thing I almost forgot, wasting our time online ;-)
Seriously, I can't help feeling I'd be diluting my passion for photography by thinking up projects to keep my eye in or fill my time.
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 06:08:25 am
I'd substitute indifference for blindness. My cameras rarely leave their bag here in the UK.
I have been drawn back to that statement.
Apart from the business of finding a subject that intrigues you, there's another matter: do you ever feel any sense of guilt about leaving all that good photographic equipment lying unused?
It's something that has started to impress itself onto my consciousness of late. There are two main emotions: the idea that I am letting quite a lot of money (relatively speaking, of course) do nothing but grow ever more obsolete, and the more generous one - to my surprise - that tells me that some poor student would find a lot more to do with it all than do I. This may be bullshit: perhaps today's "poor young student" wouldn't be seen dead using a D200 and D700. If so, then I'd only have one level of conscience about which to feel any concern.
In a way, the same feelings have crept into my head regarding the car. I used to drive pretty much everywhere but, recently, I find that I walk a lot more, despite the heat getting pretty damned oppressive. Of course, much of the incentive is due to three different cardios telling me that I need at least an hour's steady walk every day, but nonetheless, the little-used car looks at me like a bad conscience. But, when I need it, there is no alternative.
The things that preoccupy one.
Post by: KLaban on July 15, 2018, 06:32:20 am
I have been drawn back to that statement.
Apart from the business of finding a subject that intrigues you, there's another matter: do you ever feel any sense of guilt about leaving all that good photographic equipment lying unused?
It's something that has started to impress itself onto my consciousness of late. There are two main emotions: the idea that I am letting quite a lot of money (relatively speaking, of course) do nothing but grow ever more obsolete, and the more generous one - to my surprise - that tells me that some poor student would find a lot more to do with it all than do I. This may be bullshit: perhaps today's "poor young student" wouldn't be seen dead using a D200 and D700. If so, then I'd only have one level of conscience about which to feel any concern.
In a way, the same feelings have crept into my head regarding the car. I used to drive pretty much everywhere but, recently, I find that I walk a lot more, despite the heat getting pretty damned oppressive. Of course, much of the incentive is due to three different cardios telling me that I need at least an hour's steady walk every day, but nonetheless, the little-used car looks at me like a bad conscience. But, when I need it, there is no alternative.
The things that preoccupy one.
Well, I do use the cameras in the UK but nowhere near as intensively as I do when travelling.
But in answer to your question, no, unfortunately I've other far more important things to feed my sense of guilt.
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 07:04:22 am
Well, I do use the cameras in the UK but nowhere near as intensively as I do when travelling.
But in answer to your question, no, unfortunately I've other far more important things to feed my sense of guilt.
Well, that makes you pretty normal!
Myself, I have an almost unlimited capacity for guilt - some deserved, but much just the result of too little else on the mind. There's a part of me that half-believes that if I worry about it now, there will be something less to have to carry into the next dimension.
:-)
Post by: Rayyan on July 15, 2018, 07:39:31 am
(http://fursan.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-3/p2970777712-6.jpg)
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 07:55:18 am
Just nice to understand the definitive house rules in time.
Rob
Post by: RSL on July 15, 2018, 09:41:47 am
Rob, I can never decide what is the more important, the travelling or the photography. What I do know is the one would be all the poorer without the other. Our time is increasingly spent exploring pastures new, processing the images from our travels for print and web and researching cultures and destinations for future forays. When not doing this we are busy getting our lives back into order and following our other passions. Oh, and another thing I almost forgot, wasting our time online ;-)
Seriously, I can't help feeling I'd be diluting my passion for photography by thinking up projects to keep my eye in or fill my time.
Keith, you do some wonderful work in faraway places.
Having said that, let me point out that a time will come when the question whether travel or photography is more important will become moot. If you continue photographing at an age where travel becomes too difficult to enjoy, photography will become a search for significance in what's around you, rather than what's out there in distant parts of the world. Rob's talked about this problem on LuLa more than once, and Gene Smith faced it in spades, though in his case the problem was a loss of physical capacity rather than age.
But what Gene did, and what Rob's been doing is turn his attention to what's there -- close by. I don't doubt you'll do the same thing because I can see in your work that, bottom line, the images are more important to you than visiting distant parts of the world.
I'd dearly love to go back to Southeast Asia, get on a boat and make a trip up the Mekong, shooting pictures all the way. But at eighty-eight that's out of the question. Instead, I walk the little river in front of my house and look for those less dramatic but equally significant signs of the love that's there in creation. You'll do something like that too, just as Rob has done and Gene did. "As From My Window, Sometimes Glance..."
Post by: KLaban on July 15, 2018, 10:15:02 am
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 11:42:18 am
That's a beautiful way both to describe and to see it.
I'm pretty poor at photographing it well in natural creation - in fact even in seeing it beyond the simple marvel of life itself - but find it all around (in the shape of personal interest) within the constructs and juxtapositions of the man-made place we inhabit. Besides the sometimes beautiful, there is also some sort of unintended energy just below the surface of many such fragments of daily life.
I don't think that they are all in the same language; what others discover sometimes lands here on an uncomprehending ear and, I guess, everyone finds the same possibilities of non-communication.
One of the problems of travel, other than cost and state of health, is that photography would usually take up parts of the day, leaving the other hours as pretty empty. Of course, that's just my condition, but it's what I would find myself facing. Evenings alone at home have become the norm, now, but finding myself in a different environment, without the easy alternatives of just going online, watching an episode of something or even playing with PS, could make travel less than the pleasant experience it certainly used to be when travel nights were all about eating and drinking well, toys no part of the equation, there being precious little time for them anyway.
Horizons shrink.
Post by: Two23 on July 15, 2018, 12:57:28 pm
One of the problems of travel, other than cost and state of health, is that photography would usually take up parts of the day, leaving the other hours as pretty empty. Of course, that's just my condition, but it's what I would find myself facing. Evenings alone at home have become the norm, now, but finding myself in a different environment, without the easy alternatives of just going online, watching an episode of something or even playing with PS, could make travel less than the pleasant experience it certainly used to be when travel nights were all about eating and drinking well, toys no part of the equation, there being precious little time for them anyway.
On family vacations in the past, my wife & kids were always content to go back to the hotel after dinner and either watch TV or play on their computer. I saw this as a wasted opportunity (and still do.) I figure I paid a lot of money to be somewhere and it's novelty strongly calls to me! So, I began taking photos at night. I found it not hard at all and for me it's more fun than taking photos in the daytime. If I were traveling alone there's a good chance I would become largely nocturnal. :)
From Seattle.
Kent in SD
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on July 15, 2018, 01:11:56 pm
Jeremy, is the Street section, as in overall, open or not open to critique as are some other sections?
Just nice to understand the definitive house rules in time.
Rob
I'd say so, yes. Otherwise, it's just for showing off, which while gratifying is ultimately rather pointless.
Jeremy
Post by: RSL on July 15, 2018, 01:19:17 pm
Post by: KLaban on July 15, 2018, 01:26:59 pm
I'd say so, yes. Otherwise, it's just for showing off, which while gratifying is ultimately rather pointless.
Jeremy
Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 02:06:33 pm
Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
Thank you!
:-)
Post by: Chris Kern on July 15, 2018, 02:45:04 pm
On family vacations in the past, my wife & kids were always content to go back to the hotel after dinner and either watch TV or play on their computer. I saw this as a wasted opportunity (and still do.) I figure I paid a lot of money to be somewhere and it's novelty strongly calls to me! So, I began taking photos at night.
I could kick myself for the opportunities I've missed to photograph the night markets during trips to visit my wife's family in Taipei and Singapore. I would have needed a fast ultrawide lens, though, because they're densely packed with people and dimly lit. Pike Place is Seattle comes as close to them as anything I've seen here in the States.
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 03:02:16 pm
Post by: Two23 on July 15, 2018, 04:14:44 pm
I could kick myself for the opportunities I've missed to photograph the night markets during trips to visit my wife's family in Taipei and Singapore. I would have needed a fast ultrawide lens, though, because they're densely packed with people and dimly lit. Pike Place is Seattle comes as close to them as anything I've seen here in the States.
There's also Richmond Night Market in Vancouver, Canada. It was teeming with people and had hundreds of small booths selling everything from food to candy. The place was alive! I came across a couple of girls who were wearing pointy ears that supposedly moved with their emotions.
Kent in SD
Post by: Telecaster on July 15, 2018, 04:19:51 pm
Apart from the business of finding a subject that intrigues you, there's another matter: do you ever feel any sense of guilt about leaving all that good photographic equipment lying unused?
I think of myself as just the current caretaker of the meaningful stuff I "own." I've arranged for it all to be dispersed properly after I'm gone too. This fits right in with my "explore all the available options" approach to the various activities I enjoy.
-Dave-
Post by: RSL on July 15, 2018, 04:22:56 pm
Post by: Telecaster on July 15, 2018, 04:37:16 pm
-Dave-
Post by: Rob C on July 15, 2018, 05:11:40 pm
I've never done much nighttime photography, except in NYC back when I spent lotsa time there, but I love nighttime video. On my first visit to Singapore, mid 1990s, I bought a small Hi8 camcorder and wandered all over the city center at night with it. Many hours of footage, later digitized & edited…though I should redo that given tech improvements over the past few years.
-Dave-
Was in Singapore in '84 for part of my last Tennents Lager calendar; they had several good ideas going: no chewing gum; tipping discouraged in the hotels we visited; great Chinese Chablis (figure that one out) and fantastic prawns. Raffles was a wasted visit - atmosphere of an old Indian railway station and the most stupidly (for the buyer) priced cocktail of them all: the eponymous "Sling".
I gather the hotel has had makeovers since. There was an open eatery market where you could find nice food at night; I can't remember it's name, but I think it had a very English-sounding one, whatever that was. Wellington comes to mind, but that is not what I think it really is called.
As for the shoot - the horizon was impossible: oil tankers edge-to-edge. But the Japanese or Chinese Gardens gave us a couple of shots. Long flight for not much, but those national airline hostesses were every bit as beautiful as any of the models we got to use on any leg of the gig.
Oh, almost forgot: you could buy jeans that went up (or down, obviously) in size by the inch, not the miserable too tight/too loose two-inches options I find with Levi today.
Post by: Telecaster on July 15, 2018, 05:21:14 pm
(I think we discussed this some years ago too. :D )
-Dave-
Post by: KLaban on July 15, 2018, 05:29:19 pm
From Mr 32" or 33".
;-)
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2018, 03:39:40 am
Rob, yes, the Raffles was refurbed in the late '80s. And is currently being completely overhauled again. And I believe you're thinking of the food court at Piccadilly Circus.
(I think we discussed this some years ago too. :D )
-Dave-
The name sounds about right - English enough for the feeling it gave me - though I couldn't swear to it!
You may also be right about the déjà vu: that's one of the problems of online conversation because in "real life" the other person in the conversation would chirp up and say yes, I know, we spoke about that... thus saving the repetition.
Ah, the goode olde days!
;-)
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2018, 03:55:23 am
Rob, Levi jeans are available in inch increments online and in some outlets in the UK.
From Mr 32" or 33".
;-)
There you go: third world islands. Of course, they're kept that way to pleasure the short-haul tourist and let him think he hit Bora Bora!
Online? Jeans? They seldom fit as per the nominal numbers, and Levi now makes so many different styles and tones that I'd be hard-pressed to know what to order. I'd have to suck 'em and try 'em and inevitably post 'em back whence they'd come! Almost as dodgy as that mail-order bride from Hong Kong!
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 04:17:29 am
Else it is all talk and no show.
Don’t tell me theories n rattle of names....show me your work, how you approached n did it.
I will learn.
p.s. libraries, books..I can go to or purchase. Not come here to read and supposedly be impressed by well known ( and not so well known ) artists’ works.
Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 04:24:39 am
Metric system is how I understand the world ;)
Rob, Levi jeans are available in inch increments online and in some outlets in the UK.
From Mr 32" or 33".
;-)
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2018, 05:37:00 am
Metric system is how I understand the world ;)
So does Spain, but nonetheless, their Levi products are in the olde worlde inches.
Tradition, as in the Marlboro Cowboy etc.
;-)
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2018, 05:46:40 am
+1.
Else it is all talk and no show.
Don’t tell me theories n rattle of names....show me your work, how you approached n did it.
I will learn.
p.s. libraries, books..I can go to or purchase. Not come here to read and supposedly be impressed by well known ( and not so well known ) artists’ works.
No wish to offend your sensibilities, nor even your nobleness of purpose, but here's a little list of some lesser-knowns (to the general public) who do/did good street photography:
Séeberger; René-Jaques; Izis; André Martin; Janine Niepce; Sabine Weiss; Eduard Boubat; Martine Franck; Jean-Phillipe Charbonnier and Louis Stettner - another of those American artists in Paris.
Some of the above are not unknown at all, simply not picked up on the usual radar scan, so they may be new to some readers here. If so, then that's my good deed for the day, and I can now relax and revert to my norm.
;-)
Rob
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 06:20:18 am
And like you said, who gives a shit.
No wish to offend your sensibilities, nor even your nobleness of purpose, but here's a little list of some lesser-knowns (to the general public) who do/did good street photography:
Séeberger; René-Jaques; Izis; André Martin; Janine Niepce; Sabine Weiss; Eduard Boubat; Martine Franck; Jean-Phillipe Charbonnier and Louis Stettner - another of those American artists in Paris.
Some of the above are not unknown at all, simply not picked up on the usual radar scan, so they may be new to some readers here. If so, then that's my good deed for the day, and I can now relax and revert to my norm.
;-)
Rob
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 06:39:22 am
Who gives a shit.
So does Spain, but nonetheless, their Levi products are in the olde worlde inches.
Tradition, as in the Marlboro Cowboy etc.
;-)
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on July 16, 2018, 08:00:00 am
Just for sharing - as with the popular WP threads - could be a kinder interpretation of other's motivation.
I was asked for my view; I gave it. I think that any photograph posted here (by which I mean in any forum area) which isn't "not for comment", either expressly or, by being posted in the "without prejudice" thread, impliedly is fair game for sensible, rational and preferably constructive comment.
Jeremy
Post by: KLaban on July 16, 2018, 08:30:27 am
I was asked for my view; I gave it. I think that any photograph posted here (by which I mean in any forum area) which isn't "not for comment", either expressly or, by being posted in the "without prejudice" thread, impliedly is fair game for sensible, rational and preferably constructive comment.
Jeremy
Then we're in complete agreement.
My issue was with the implication that images posted not for critique were there just for showing off.
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 16, 2018, 09:36:49 am
Who gives a shit.
If this was supposed to be humorous, it isn’t. Poor taste, as a minimum. More like gratuitously vulgar.
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 11:25:57 am
Thus I gathered that for the person concerned such language was the norm; and would thus easily understand it.
Take it up with him Slobodan. I just throw back what is first directed at me.
Thank you.
If this was supposed to be humorous, it isn’t. Poor taste, as a minimum. More like gratuitously vulgar.
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2018, 01:59:24 pm
I did not introduce such a ' phrase ' in my conversation. It was directed in a response to me, in another post.
Thus I gathered that for the person concerned such language was the norm; and would thus easily understand it.
Take it up with him Slobodan. I just throw back what is first directed at me.
Thank you.
You do realise, don't you, that not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy?
:-)
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 03:03:35 pm
You do realize that initiating phrases such as are the subject of the last few posts is not criticism; but as Slobodan mentioned is ' gratuitously vulgar '.
I have let a covert, and not a very proper implication, by you go unanswered.
Not because I didn't get it, but because it might have been unintentional.
Criticism, I will take.
Try to be snarky or cynically smart with me, you will get it right back with interest.
You do realise, don't you, that not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy?
:-)
Post by: Rob C on July 16, 2018, 04:53:57 pm
You do realize that initiating phrases such as are the subject of the last few posts is not criticism; but as Slobodan mentioned is ' gratuitously vulgar '.
I have let a covert, and not a very proper implication, by you go unanswered.
Not because I didn't get it, but because it might have been unintentional.
Criticism, I will take.
Try to be snarky or cynically smart with me, you will get it right back with interest.
What are you trying to say?
How can something be both "covert" yet "unintentional" at the same time? And where did I criticise anything? I avoid the critique threads for the very reason that I do not enjoy playing second-guesses and they help nobody. Yet, many others apparently do, both enjoy giving and receiving it, but I have no idea why.
Perhaps if you spell it out, I might understand what you are talking about. As it is, I hear lots of noise, but not a reason for said noise... if I know to what you refer, then perhaps I can illuminate.
:-)
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 08:27:20 pm
Perhaps you would re-read the thread.
' unintentional ' was used to give you a plausible excuse ( a way out ).
"
....
Yep, absolutely no need to "proclaim" anything here; we could just break camp and all wander off onto the wilderness that awaits.
Forty days or forty years - who gives a shit, one way or the other?
Rob "
What are you trying to say?
How can something be both "covert" yet "unintentional" at the same time? And where did I criticise anything? I avoid the critique threads for the very reason that I do not enjoy playing second-guesses and they help nobody. Yet, many others apparently do, both enjoy giving and receiving it, but I have no idea why.
Perhaps if you spell it out, I might understand what you are talking about. As it is, I hear lots of noise, but not a reason for said noise... if I know to what you refer, then perhaps I can illuminate.
:-)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on July 16, 2018, 08:47:30 pm
I was trying to give you a gentle reminder that you are in breach of forum etiquette, alas...
Stalking a member in another, unrelated thread, posting vulgarities (and nothing else) out of context, and with the sole purpose of exacting a petulant revenge, while exposing all of us to the unpleasant tone the thread has turned to is a serious breach of forum etiquette, and frankly, civilized behavior. Now the whole page has been devoted, instead of photography, to your ill temper.
If you have a problem with what someone posted on your thread, you have two options:
- report to the moderator
- ignore the poster
This forum is not an "after school, behind school" type of place to duke it out.
Post by: Rayyan on July 16, 2018, 09:53:16 pm
Why am I not surprised that you point the finger at me.
I asked a simple question of you...who initiated this ‘ vulgarity ‘?
You have chosen not to respond to that query.
But you go off on a tangent assigning blame to me.
If I initiate such language or exhibit uncivilized behavior; members have the right to chastise me.
If I respond to vulgarities, I am not going to be anyone’s whipping boy.
And neither, I hope, this to be a forum where old boy networks try to protect one another even when in the wrong.
This is my last post in this thread ( but I never say never...I shall see ).
Sigh.
Ruyyan,
I was trying to give you a gentle reminder that you are in breach of forum etiquette, alas...
Stalking a member in another, unrelated thread, posting vulgarities (and nothing else) out of context, and with the sole purpose of exacting a petulant revenge, while exposing all of us to the unpleasant tone the thread has turned to is a serious breach of forum etiquette, and frankly, civilized behavior. Now the whole page has been devoted, instead of photography, to your ill temper.
If you have a problem with what someone posted on your thread, you have two options:
- report to the moderator
- ignore the poster
This forum is not an "after school, behind school" type of place to duke it out.
Post by: Rob C on July 17, 2018, 03:33:52 am
On July 10, 2018 your response to one of my posts...in the ' Click ' thread , reply #9
Perhaps you would re-read the thread.
' unintentional ' was used to give you a plausible excuse ( a way out ).
"
....
Yep, absolutely no need to "proclaim" anything here; we could just break camp and all wander off onto the wilderness that awaits.
Forty days or forty years - who gives a shit, one way or the other?
Rob "
Well, I have read the post to which you refer, and in it I mention one of my health problems. This seems to have annoyed you for some reason, and you imply I should keep it to myself. In return, I say yes, and in similar manner we should all shut up and retreat to the self-encompassed little world we inhabit where we desert outer relationships and live like hermits.
And the problem is?
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 22, 2018, 12:03:13 am
;)
Post by: BobDavid on July 22, 2018, 03:07:13 am
Well, here is my attempt to get the thread back where it belongs: Street Art. Real Street Art, I mean.
;)
Literally, street. ... I like the set.
Post by: Rob C on July 22, 2018, 06:07:24 am
Literally, street. ... I like the set.
Yes, nice work that depends on a receptive eye - both sides of the image!
;-)
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 22, 2018, 09:00:50 am
Post by: RSL on July 22, 2018, 10:29:30 am
Good eye!
(I know you don't think this is street photography.)
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 23, 2018, 12:31:50 am
Eric, what'll you ever do if they stop putting tar on cracks in the pavement?Thanks, Russ.
Good eye!
(I know you don't think this is street photography.)
I guess I'd have to buy a used tar-dripping machine and start making my own art.
Of course it's not Street Photography. But if I got a shot of tar jumping across a puddle, I might say differently. ;D
Post by: Two23 on July 23, 2018, 09:21:16 am
You do realise, don't you, that not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy?
:-)
+1
I really dislike the trend in our culture where if someone disagrees with another's opinion, they are automatically "evil." I grew up in an era where differing thoughts and opinions were graciously tolerated.
Kent in SD
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 23, 2018, 11:45:26 am
These are all converted to B&W, so the yellow lines aren't yellow. Should I "yellow" those lines in the two that have the lines?
In the one without the center strip line, the tar is white because of the angle of the sunlight reflecting off the tar.
Cheers.
Post by: LesPalenik on July 23, 2018, 12:33:40 pm
I would leave the yellow lines out, but maybe I'd try to increase the contrast or make it slightly darker.
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 23, 2018, 12:57:56 pm
I'm still playing around with them.
Post by: Rayyan on July 25, 2018, 12:34:35 am
Well seen.
And thank you.
Well, here is my attempt to get the thread back where it belongs: Street Art. Real Street Art, I mean.
;)
Post by: Rob C on August 05, 2018, 07:52:16 am
Post by: Rob C on August 16, 2018, 12:29:32 pm
Post by: TomFrerichs on August 16, 2018, 02:12:47 pm
Tom
Post by: Rob C on August 16, 2018, 03:16:11 pm
This isn't street; it's parking lot asphalt. Does that still count?
Tom
In Street Art it sure does!
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 16, 2018, 05:06:35 pm
Post by: Two23 on August 19, 2018, 11:51:02 am
Kent in SD
Post by: Telecaster on August 19, 2018, 05:03:19 pm
Downtown Sioux Falls during a blizzard. (Nikon F3T, AiS 105mm f2.5, HP5.)
That's terrific!
-Dave-
Post by: Rob C on January 08, 2019, 05:51:31 pm
Hope I didn't post this before, but it's 23:50 and I should be in the land of nod...
Post by: D Fuller on January 11, 2019, 11:56:07 am
Hi-energy.
That shadow is freakishly too big for the basketball hoop that is casting it.
Post by: petermfiore on January 11, 2019, 12:12:24 pm
Peter
Post by: Rob C on January 11, 2019, 05:24:36 pm
That shadow is freakishly too big for the basketball hoop that is casting it.
It's straight. Making a fake is beyond me, I think.
Rob
Post by: John R on January 11, 2019, 07:39:44 pm
That shadow is freakishly too big for the basketball hoop that is casting it.Notice the shadow overlaps two walls that have different angles, so the shadows become extended.
JR
Post by: John R on January 12, 2019, 05:20:46 am
Downtown Sioux Falls during a blizzard. (Nikon F3T, AiS 105mm f2.5, HP5.)Fantastic capture of public art. The surrealness of the environment magnifies the obvious theme of the sculpture, both literal and symbolic. It forces the eye to see the nuances of the sculpture that we might otherwise overlook in sunlight.
Kent in SD
JR
Post by: D Fuller on January 14, 2019, 09:17:38 am
It's straight. Making a fake is beyond me, I think.
Rob
Notice the shadow overlaps two walls that have different angles, so the shadows become extended.
JR
LOL! I didn’t mean to suggest that it wasn’t a natural shadow. It was just my reaction to the shot. Sometimes nature presents freakish things. :-\
Post by: LesPalenik on January 16, 2019, 05:32:39 am
Post by: Rob C on January 16, 2019, 06:21:57 am
Molly Malone in Dublin
Raynaud's. It's the effect of cold and poor circulation: hits my hands and feet every winter.; hence "this is the winter of our discontent.".
Rob
Post by: Rob C on February 14, 2019, 02:38:18 pm
Post by: Rob C on March 06, 2019, 05:04:04 pm
:-)
Rob
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 06, 2019, 06:48:23 pm
Post by: petermfiore on March 07, 2019, 09:21:34 am
Street by the sea; got some OOF areas, so gotta be art.
:-)
Rob
Always...A big blender brush when painting makes it so!
Peter
Post by: Rob C on April 19, 2019, 05:54:52 pm
Post by: Cornfield on April 19, 2019, 06:16:16 pm
Post by: RSL on April 19, 2019, 07:40:38 pm
Post by: Chris Kern on April 19, 2019, 08:49:58 pm
(2) Presidents (Annapolis, Maryland, 2018)
Post by: Cornfield on April 20, 2019, 04:17:45 am
That's the way to do it, Corn.
Can you identfy the location. 5 gold stars for a correct answer. :)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on April 20, 2019, 08:05:54 am
Can you identfy the location. 5 gold stars for a correct answer. :)
These days, one can google it, as I did. I don’t know if that would be considered gentlemanly, though.
Post by: Rayyan on April 24, 2019, 03:16:36 pm
Nice one. To me better, more as it is in monochrome.
Can't remember if posted before.
Post by: Rob C on April 24, 2019, 04:34:03 pm
Nice one. To me better, more as it is in monochrome.
Thank you. I may be losing the ability to work in colour anymore; my almost immediate decision with every image is a conversion to black/white. Colour seems to try to dominate things rather than contribute to their overall idea. Perhaps that's partly why I find the majority of landscape work of little interest; by far the greater number of landscape photographers I enjoy are dedicated to black/white. Their work seems to have a life of its own: think Kenna and even St Ansel, bless him, as martyred as he has become.
There I go, making more new friends.
:-(
Rob
Post by: Rob C on April 29, 2019, 12:59:11 pm
Post by: 32BT on April 29, 2019, 02:04:33 pm
As they have bought a new lock and chain, perhaps the old disco tha lives up the steps behind the doors may be going to have a new life this summer. Not that I have any intentions of finding out, of course.
Of course...
Good contrast* between color and non-color. Clean simplicity that works well.
(* It's a phase, I'll get over it eventually.)
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2019, 04:56:07 am
Rob
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 02, 2019, 09:26:49 am
Why is it that whenever I try to photograph something through a raindrop-decorated window, and my camera's autofocus insists on focusing on just the raindrops instead of the "subject" outside, the result is junk.
But when you do it, you get magic!
-Eric
Post by: 32BT on May 02, 2019, 09:53:45 am
Rob,
Why is it that whenever I try to photograph something through a raindrop-decorated window, and my camera's autofocus insists on focusing on just the raindrops instead of the "subject" outside, the result is junk.
But when you do it, you get magic!
-Eric
It's the camera, don't you know?
(Or it could be, as the 8 year old that beat me at some stupid video game proclaimed: skillzzz!)
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2019, 09:55:56 am
Rob,
Why is it that whenever I try to photograph something through a raindrop-decorated window, and my camera's autofocus insists on focusing on just the raindrops instead of the "subject" outside, the result is junk.
But when you do it, you get magic!
-Eric
Don't know about magic, but the lens used is an old 2/35mm Nikkor manual, hand-held. It's got something I like - a velvety quality the original 2.8/35mm I used for years didn't, but it was more crisp, in my experience, than is the f2 version. Fortunately, I don't do much of crisp anymore.
The tech. was simple: focused on the drops and waited, between sips at the coffee, for something brightish to come into sight. The road is at a corner where folks insist on parking on the yellow lines that should get them a fine, but I suppose they hope the cops stay in their den during bad weather. The result, of course, is that you really do have to slow right down to get round without making contact with anything, so brakes come on. Raising the camera back to the eye and concentrating on getting it held so the pre-focused drops are back where intended means trusting the pentaprism screen, which as the lens is always wide open until exposure, is easy enough.
Love my Nikons; always have. Owe 'em a lot!
How wonderful it would be to catch one of those olde worlde Impalas with the cat's eyes rear, horizontal(ish) fins. Americana is made for photography!
Thanks for the spiritual uplift: went for a blood test this a.m. in preparation for the preliminary cataract removal checks; 8a.m.is one helluva time to have to be fully awake and out there in the world for that little date with Dracula's sisters!
:-)
Post by: RSL on May 02, 2019, 09:57:54 am
This one's giving you great results, Rob.
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2019, 10:00:07 am
It's the camera, don't you know?
(Or it could be, as the 8 year old that beat me at some stupid video game proclaimed: skillzzz!)
Oscar, don't you ever learn? Everybody knows not to compete with animals and children!
:-)
Post by: Rob C on May 02, 2019, 10:06:59 am
Old lenses never die; they just fade away.
This one's giving you great results, Rob.
Truth to tell, I just think that for people of my generation, once we learn how to use our original tools, we stick with them if only because it saves us having to overcome fresh difficulties.
As with Keith, eyes are the weak link as I grow longer in the tooth - no, I'll resist that one - and are perhaps the driver to af for general usage.
Post by: RSL on May 02, 2019, 03:14:32 pm
Post by: Rob C on May 09, 2019, 05:47:25 am
Actually, unless I process right away, I forget about all of them. As with the darkroom, digital too comes in two parts: the buzz when you imagine you're seeing something, and then the confirmation (or often otherwise) of that initial reaction. Either way, only the working on the thing later on etches it in memory.
I really don't know much about the ones that got away.
:-(
Post by: drmike on May 09, 2019, 08:41:19 am
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47766140751_04915cb273_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fLVXuT)
Mike
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 09, 2019, 09:25:00 am
Actually, unless I process right away, I forget about all of them. As with the darkroom, digital too comes in two parts: the buzz when you imagine you're seeing something, and then the confirmation (or often otherwise) of that initial reaction. Either way, only the working on the thing later on etches it in memory.So true, Rob!
Even this bit of sunshine has your special magic to it.
Post by: Rob C on May 09, 2019, 09:52:58 am
So true, Rob!
Even this bit of sunshine has your special magic to it.
Thank you Eric, that's kind of you!
Rob
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 17, 2019, 08:59:13 am
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on May 19, 2019, 01:33:33 am
Post by: Rob C on August 20, 2019, 08:14:05 am
Post by: 32BT on August 21, 2019, 11:24:27 am
Maybe a memory of the dark arts.
This image stuck in my mind. Something really cool about it. Maybe a bit dark at the top. The old facade fits the image perfectly, no need to hide it in too artificial darkness.
Post by: Rob C on August 21, 2019, 12:47:19 pm
This image stuck in my mind. Something really cool about it. Maybe a bit dark at the top. The old facade fits the image perfectly, no need to hide it in too artificial darkness.
The building's a Crusader church in Pollensa, right next to a café I used to frequent. Nothing wrong with the café: I just didn't much feel like inflicting myself upon them again after I passed out one lunchtime there a few years ago due to the beta blockers combining with the rush of blood from the brain to the stomach leaving too little of the red stuff pumping up into my head. Without the juice there, no thoughts and not much of anything else, either.
I liked the darkness - fitted in with my then phase. Today I have no phase at all, because I'm not prepared to stick a camera anywhere near my freshly bionic eye. Pressure on it from outside can ruin the surgeon's best efforts. I suppose I'll wait a month or so once I can stop the drops in that eye, which should be soon enough.
Ciao -
Post by: Rob C on August 24, 2019, 04:44:47 pm
:-(
Post by: 32BT on August 24, 2019, 04:58:40 pm
Photography sometimes makes things look too clean and wholesome.
:-(
Haha! This proofs that digital beats film.
Post by: Rob C on August 26, 2019, 05:56:34 am
:-)
Post by: Rob C on August 26, 2019, 06:00:38 am
A street that fits
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47766140751_04915cb273_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fLVXuT)
Mike
Must have missed this one for some obscure reason; beautiful colours and contrasts between them.
Well seen!
Rob
Post by: Rob C on August 28, 2019, 07:17:56 am
Post by: Rob C on August 29, 2019, 03:05:30 pm
Post by: Rob C on August 30, 2019, 07:51:25 am
Rob
Post by: petermfiore on August 30, 2019, 08:10:40 am
Peter
Post by: Rob C on August 30, 2019, 09:11:34 am
Handsome behind bars...
Peter
Suits him, and serves him right!
;-)
Post by: 32BT on August 30, 2019, 10:03:38 am
Must have missed this one for some obscure reason; beautiful colours and contrasts between them.
Well seen!
Rob
Yes. I actually did see it and came back to it several times but never came to the point of commenting. I was chewing on the blue at the top, but finally figured that it is exactly the right amount.
So: +1
Post by: 32BT on August 30, 2019, 10:12:04 am
Da Beat noticed you are steadily moving toward simplicity, and has a link to share:
Quote
In der Beschränkung zeigt sich erst der Meister (https://gutenberg.spiegel.de/buch/sonette-3649/1)
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Post by: Rob C on August 30, 2019, 03:38:00 pm
@Rob,
Da Beat noticed you are steadily moving toward simplicity, and has a link to share:
It's called second childhood, Oscar.
That's perhaps why your link has left me not one word further forward: I don't have the language code...
Simply put, that is.
:-)
Post by: Rob C on September 03, 2019, 07:26:30 am
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 03, 2019, 08:54:56 am
Collective futures?Yes!!!
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 09, 2019, 01:26:43 pm
Post by: Rob C on September 12, 2019, 01:36:12 pm
Too much of a good thing?
Rob
Post by: RSL on September 12, 2019, 03:04:52 pm
Post by: RBFritz on September 12, 2019, 03:22:14 pm
Post by: Rob C on September 22, 2019, 02:34:56 pm
:-(
Post by: RSL on September 22, 2019, 02:44:01 pm
Post by: Rob C on September 22, 2019, 04:23:27 pm
Wabi sabi, Rob.
I find it quite fascinating - probably more so than anything bright and spanking new. Perhaps that explains the thing in my psyche about the '59 Coupe de Ville. But hey, maybe that, too, would be even more irresistible new! A brand new antique, then.
:-)
Post by: Rob C on October 04, 2019, 02:08:26 pm
Post by: petermfiore on October 04, 2019, 03:08:57 pm
Street Marching:
Interesting framing...sorta like a dream from long ago.
I like it.
Peter
Post by: RSL on October 04, 2019, 03:18:29 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 04, 2019, 04:19:11 pm
Post by: Rob C on October 05, 2019, 07:02:05 am
Probably wouldn't have noticed it at all prior to the cataract removals.
Rob
Post by: RSL on October 05, 2019, 07:53:04 am
Post by: petermfiore on October 05, 2019, 09:32:33 am
Thank you guys; one of those places I pass every day, and then bam! right light and it jumps out at one.
Probably wouldn't have noticed it at all prior to the cataract removals.
Rob
See, you have had a re-birth, eye wise...It's a wonderful thing!
Peter
Post by: Rob C on October 05, 2019, 03:18:32 pm
Post by: RSL on October 05, 2019, 03:20:20 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 05, 2019, 08:50:02 pm
Post by: Patricia Sheley on October 05, 2019, 09:37:24 pm
This "is" Rob~ wonderful.
Post by: Rob C on October 06, 2019, 03:56:14 am
Come to think of it, Bob Dylan could have used you to smith his words for the better! (Ref. to another thread, another section of LuLa.)
;-)
Post by: Rob C on October 08, 2019, 05:08:48 am
Post by: rabanito on October 08, 2019, 06:10:48 am
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 08, 2019, 09:15:40 am
Wow!+1.
Post by: D Fuller on October 08, 2019, 01:17:34 pm
The literalist in me:Those new eyes are working for you! :)
Post by: RSL on October 08, 2019, 02:06:38 pm
Post by: Rob C on October 08, 2019, 02:16:13 pm
Thanks for the kind remarks!
Rob
Post by: Rob C on October 30, 2019, 05:37:18 pm
:-)
Post by: RSL on October 30, 2019, 07:46:26 pm
Post by: rabanito on October 30, 2019, 08:00:43 pm
Good one, Rob. Very nice.+1
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 30, 2019, 08:02:27 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on October 30, 2019, 11:18:22 pm
Post by: petermfiore on October 31, 2019, 08:32:05 am
Another winter past... when the street felt safer:
:-)
This one has a bitter sweet quality to it...A fond memory.
Peter
Post by: Rob C on November 18, 2019, 03:13:57 pm
The place on the left closed. As did the thing it was before, and the one before that too. It's best incarnation was during the many years spent selling the international press and French PHOTO.
Then the rent was pushed upwards...
I haven't been up in this end of Pollensa for quite some time; must find out what has happened over summer.
Rob
Post by: RSL on November 18, 2019, 03:25:33 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 18, 2019, 03:34:56 pm
A fine shot, Rob.+1.
Post by: petermfiore on November 18, 2019, 07:40:45 pm
A couple of summers ago.
Then the rent was pushed upwards...
I haven't been up in this end of Pollensa for quite some time; must find out what has happened over summer.
Rob
Rob,
What a beautiful dreamscape...
Peter
Post by: Rob C on November 19, 2019, 09:28:23 am
Rob,
What a beautiful dreamscape...
Peter
Thank you, Peter.
Rob
Post by: Rob C on November 19, 2019, 02:06:13 pm
Rob
Post by: RSL on November 19, 2019, 03:05:01 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 19, 2019, 03:06:14 pm
Post by: KLaban on November 21, 2019, 06:02:30 am
Simulacrum x 2?
Rob
Lovely!
Post by: Rob C on November 21, 2019, 08:28:41 am
;-(
Post by: Rob C on November 22, 2019, 12:48:28 pm
Post by: Rob C on February 01, 2020, 05:07:36 pm
Post by: RSL on February 01, 2020, 07:43:32 pm
Post by: Rob C on February 16, 2020, 02:34:26 pm
Rob
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on February 16, 2020, 03:04:10 pm
Post by: Rob C on March 03, 2020, 07:13:48 am
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 03, 2020, 09:02:33 am
Oldie:... but Goodie.
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2020, 10:59:42 am
Post by: RSL on May 25, 2020, 11:03:38 am
Post by: Rob C on May 25, 2020, 11:45:26 am
Good stuff, all three, Rob. But I wish you'd give us larger copies to look at.
Russ, you just want to read the papers!
;-)
Post by: Rob C on May 26, 2020, 08:47:08 am
Post by: Rob C on May 27, 2020, 12:16:15 pm
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 27, 2020, 07:56:30 pm
Post by: Rob C on June 03, 2020, 04:48:39 pm
I just pressed the "Like" button.
I thought I felt a tingle!
:-)
Post by: RSL on June 03, 2020, 07:35:16 pm
Post by: Rob C on June 04, 2020, 07:00:29 am
I pressed it too. You should have felt two jolts.
My reflexes are not as rapid those of a young man! ¿Forgiven?
;-)
Post by: Chris Kern on June 08, 2020, 11:12:37 pm