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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: pschefz on May 18, 2018, 04:02:06 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUTT4LA5hs
simple demonstration of a brilliant solution hasselblad has had for years and nobody seems to be able to implement...or does not want to? there is nothing in the X1D specs (processor, weight size, wifi protocol, buffer,...) that puts it ahead of other cameras, so it must be a "simple" software solution? almost instant preview of raw files on iOs devices is such a great feature....hasselblad has it and nobody else can come up with a simple and real working jpeg over wifi solution....
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Just to clarify, in my limited experience (less than a week) with the X1D it does not do wifi tethering, at least to Phocus running on a computer so that you can do real work on the files and save them as FFF. You need to use USB for that.
You can however connect by wifi to an iOS device running Phocus Mobile and that is great, but you are limited to basic camera control and shooting. So you can change the exposure and take a shot basically.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUTT4LA5hs
simple demonstration of a brilliant solution hasselblad has had for years and nobody seems to be able to implement... hasselblad has it and nobody else can come up with a simple and real working jpeg over wifi solution....
Errr... Phase One's lineup has had this feature for 5 years and Leaf (now part of Team Phase One) had it 14 years ago!
This functionality has been in the Phase One line up (IQ2 and IQ3 series) since it shipped the IQ2 series June 2013. As a bonus it provides (optional) native https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgzpKc7Mds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgzpKc7Mds) using the GPS polling from the iOS device.
If you want to go back in time further the Leaf Valeo 17wi and Leaf Valeo 22wi had built-in bluetooth based wireless which provided much of the same functionality. This was in 2004, so it was only on an HP iPaq (not iPad; just spelled similarly) and the speed and overall responsiveness was nowhere close to what we have today with the iOS solution on the Phase One IQ2/IQ3, but you have to give them credit for having this 14 years ago!
Neither Capture Pilot, nor the X1D solution (or the Leaf solution before it) are really "tethering wirelessly" so much as they are allowing someone on an iOS device to "dial in" to the images stored/hosted on the camera. Still very powerful, but more of a supplement than a replacement for tethering in traditional tethering situations. In situations where tethering is impractical it provides some (but not all) of the workflow/features of tethering.
The simple answer to why you don't see this on every kind of camera is that you need a native (integrated directly into the camera) solution for wifi to work really well. To do a native built-in end-to-end wifi solution you need a camera company that is obsessively good with both hardware and software. Most (nearly all?) camera companies are simply awful at software and don't invest in software because it's not a direct revenue generator for them. Phase One has a very large and talented software team, funded by small-format camera users paying for Capture One Pro.
See also: https://dtdch.com/phase-one-iq250-11-things-to-know/
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This functionality has been in the Phase One line up (IQ2 and IQ3 series) since it shipped the IQ2 series June 2013.
Possibly. I was also able to do wifi tethering on my Canon 5D2 with the WFT grip in 2009 and no doubt you could do it with the canon 6D and many others.
I guess the difference is that the IQ3 in Australia costs $49,990 and I bought the X1D for $7600. Perhaps the Phase One should come with a medium size family car to carry it in? (:-)
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Just to clarify, in my limited experience (less than a week) with the X1D it does not do wifi tethering, at least to Phocus running on a computer so that you can do real work on the files and save them as FFF. You need to use USB for that.
You can however connect by wifi to an iOS device running Phocus Mobile and that is great, but you are limited to basic camera control and shooting. So you can change the exposure and take a shot basically.
I thought one could examine the pictures at 1:1 to check focus, etc... Is that correct or not?
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Possibly. I was also able to do wifi tethering on my Canon 5D2 with the WFT grip in 2009 and no doubt you could do it with the canon 6D and many others.
I guess the difference is that the IQ3 in Australia costs $49,990 and I bought the X1D for $7600. Perhaps the Phase One should come with a medium size family car to carry it in? (:-)
Not "possibly" Bob, factually.
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And an IQ3 50 costs $21,990, not $49,990. An IQ1 50 full kit with XF Camera and Schneider 80mm Blue Ring Lens costs $14,990. To be sure, there is still a price difference, but it is not anywhere near as dramatic as you stated.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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And an IQ3 50 costs $21,990, not $49,990. An IQ1 50 full kit with XF Camera and Schneider 80mm Blue Ring Lens costs $14,990. To be sure, there is still a price difference, but it is not anywhere near as dramatic as you stated.
Steve Hendrix/CI
Source and in Australian dollars with a body including tax?
AFAIK the IQ1 does not have either live view or Wifi.
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Source and in Australian dollars with a body including tax?
AFAIK the IQ1 does not have either live view or Wifi.
IQ1 50mp pricing (https://digitaltransitions.com/phase-one-summer-2018-promo/) in USD. No idea about Australian; you'd have to contact your local dealer there.
IQ1 50mp does have live view, but you are correct that it does not have wireless. The IQ2 and IQ3 series have wireless; the IQ1 series does not.
Refurb IQ2 50mp, Certified Pre-Owned IQ3 50mp also provide options below the IQ3 50mp new price.
The main point is that Phase One's offerings (including offerings that have wifi) are not remotely limited to a $50k price point.
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IQ1 50mp pricing (https://digitaltransitions.com/phase-one-summer-2018-promo/) in USD. No idea about Australian; you'd have to contact your local dealer there.
This post is about wifi so if a camera doesn't have wifi then it is not really in discussion.
I rang the listed distributor and asked the price of an IQ3 50MP. With a lens the IQ3 50MP is $39,765AU. Without a lens somewhere over $30,000
They have come down from the article I was reading in May. EOFY specials and no doubt other factors.
X1D on the other hand retail new at dealers for $9990. So only $20,000 difference. Yay!
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This post is about wifi so if a camera doesn't have wifi then it is not really in discussion.
I rang the listed distributor and asked the price of an IQ3 50MP. With a lens the IQ3 50MP is $39,765AU. Without a lens somewhere over $30,000
They have come down from the article I was reading in May. EOFY specials and no doubt other factors.
X1D on the other hand retail new at dealers for $9990. So only $20,000 difference. Yay!
I would recommend drug testing your distributor.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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Just to bring this post back on topic, a Hasselblad Feature.
Hasselblad intoduced in camera wifi and control in 2014 with the release of the H5D-50c wifi.
WiFi has been a feature of every digital system that has been produced since that time with no "upcharge" to end users.
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I would recommend drug testing your distributor.
Steve Hendrix/CI
Ha ha. Probably worth considering as the last Phase One dealer went broke after 30 plus years in the camera business.
Actually it may surprise you to know that there are a whole pile of other place in the world that don't play in the World Series.
We call these places "other countries".
These other countries actually have there own laws, markets, constitutions (though nobody ever reads them) and in fact currencies (though most have not used money made from paper in a long time).
One of these currencies is the Australian dollar. If we were to look at your quoted price of $21,990US then that is actually at current exchange rate $30,123 Australian. Add the 10% tax and that becomes $33,135 Australian. That does not include import charges. So the camera being sold at around $30,000 is actually cheaper in Australia than it would be if we were to buy it in the US and ship it back. The same is actually true of printer cartridges and a lot of other things that we used to buy from the US, which is a big change from a few years ago.
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Hasselblad intoduced in camera wifi and control in 2014 with the release of the H5D-50c wifi.
Steve, I'm actually in the midst of writing a history of medium format. My recollection is that Hasselblad's wifi was announced in 2014 but didn't ship to end users (with wifi enabled) until Feb 2015. Is that right? Do you mind if I contact you offline to get confirmations of a few other ship dates?
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Ha ha. Probably worth considering as the last Phase One dealer went broke after 30 plus years in the camera business.
Actually it may surprise you to know that there are a whole pile of other place in the world that don't play in the World Series.
We call these places "other countries".
These other countries actually have there own laws, markets, constitutions (though nobody ever reads them) and in fact currencies (though most have not used money made from paper in a long time).
One of these currencies is the Australian dollar. If we were to look at your quoted price of $21,990US then that is actually at current exchange rate $30,123 Australian. Add the 10% tax and that becomes $33,135 Australian. That does not include import charges. So the camera being sold at around $30,000 is actually cheaper in Australia than it would be if we were to buy it in the US and ship it back. The same is actually true of printer cartridges and a lot of other things that we used to buy from the US, which is a big change from a few years ago.
Bob, other currencies? :)
Sorry, I knew you were in Australia, but thought you were using USD as the comparison, missed that. And your math is about right anyway, in terms of ratio, the Phase One or Hasselblad 50mp digital back solutions are 2x - 3x higher than the same sensor in the Fuji/Hasselblad mirrorless systems. It is the way it is for now.
And actually, if all distributors/dealers were drug tested, I suspect I know what the results would be. It can be a wild and bumpy ride. Not for the timid!
Steve Hendrix/CI
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How is it that every thread about Hasselblad and Fuji needs to be spammed by Phase One reps?
Are there any Hasselblad or Fuji reps even here? I guess they are busy selling cameras.
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Are there any Hasselblad or Fuji reps even here?
Look at message #10 in this thread.
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How is it that every thread about Hasselblad and Fuji needs to be spammed by Phase One reps?
Are there any Hasselblad or Fuji reps even here? I guess they are busy selling cameras.
Can you show me where I have spammed other Hasselblad/Fuji threads? Please do.
And I take exception to my participation being referred to as "spam". In general, I will provide factual information where I see inaccurate information posted about the products I am familiar with. No Phase One rep brought up Phase One, a Hasselblad user did and provided inaccurate information when doing so.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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Errr... Phase One's lineup has had this feature for 5 years and Leaf (now part of Team Phase One) had it 14 years ago!
This functionality has been in the Phase One line up (IQ2 and IQ3 series) since it shipped the IQ2 series June 2013. As a bonus it provides (optional) native https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgzpKc7Mds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIgzpKc7Mds) using the GPS polling from the iOS device.
If you want to go back in time further the Leaf Valeo 17wi and Leaf Valeo 22wi had built-in bluetooth based wireless which provided much of the same functionality. This was in 2004, so it was only on an HP iPaq (not iPad; just spelled similarly) and the speed and overall responsiveness was nowhere close to what we have today with the iOS solution on the Phase One IQ2/IQ3, but you have to give them credit for having this 14 years ago!
Neither Capture Pilot, nor the X1D solution (or the Leaf solution before it) are really "tethering wirelessly" so much as they are allowing someone on an iOS device to "dial in" to the images stored/hosted on the camera. Still very powerful, but more of a supplement than a replacement for tethering in traditional tethering situations. In situations where tethering is impractical it provides some (but not all) of the workflow/features of tethering.
The simple answer to why you don't see this on every kind of camera is that you need a native (integrated directly into the camera) solution for wifi to work really well. To do a native built-in end-to-end wifi solution you need a camera company that is obsessively good with both hardware and software. Most (nearly all?) camera companies are simply awful at software and don't invest in software because it's not a direct revenue generator for them. Phase One has a very large and talented software team, funded by small-format camera users paying for Capture One Pro.
See also: https://dtdch.com/phase-one-iq250-11-things-to-know/
i remember the leaf vale well, i had that combo with the ipaq...
and this is not about getting all files wirelessly onto a laptop or tablet....with file sizes getting bigger and bigger i dont really see a good solution for that coming soon anyway, regardless of how fast wifi speeds are getting...
the solution that hasselblad (and leaf and i guess phase) were and are offering is a way to hand somebody a tablet (more or less a large display) and being able to see all shots as they are taken....not 10 sec behind and not a real wireless transmission.....but still a way to zoom in quickly (without bringing everything to a grinding stop) and to quickly mark favorites.....
to me all the wifi implementations sony, nikon, canon, fuji are offering are more or less useless and the better the cameras, the more useless it gets....this is not about wirelessly transferring a 40 or 50 pix raw file......this is about having the option to see the same preview (available on the rear lcd) on a tablet.....hasselblad (and i guess phase) can do it....
but i guess judging from some comments made here, people aren't even aware of this option and always consider wifi tether a full transfer....
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i remember the leaf vale well, i had that combo with the ipaq...
and this is not about getting all files wirelessly onto a laptop or tablet....with file sizes getting bigger and bigger i dont really see a good solution for that coming soon anyway, regardless of how fast wifi speeds are getting...
the solution that hasselblad (and leaf and i guess phase) were and are offering is a way to hand somebody a tablet (more or less a large display) and being able to see all shots as they are taken....not 10 sec behind and not a real wireless transmission.....but still a way to zoom in quickly (without bringing everything to a grinding stop) and to quickly mark favorites.....
to me all the wifi implementations sony, nikon, canon, fuji are offering are more or less useless and the better the cameras, the more useless it gets....this is not about wirelessly transferring a 40 or 50 pix raw file......this is about having the option to see the same preview (available on the rear lcd) on a tablet.....hasselblad (and i guess phase) can do it....
but i guess judging from some comments made here, people aren't even aware of this option and always consider wifi tether a full transfer....
Paul, you don't have to guess that Phase One has a great tablet handing solution, it's a fact. They do. Works very similarly to Hasselblad's implementation and was working that way before Hasselblad had anything approaching the same built-in capability.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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Paul, you don't have to guess that Phase One has a great tablet handing solution, it's a fact. They do.
Let us all accept that Phase One has a great wifi tablet solution and move on.
Now if the discussion had anything to do with Phase One that would be useful, however it was a comparison of the Hasselblad X1D and the Fuji GFX. Why? Well possibly because they are in the same category of medium format mirrorless cameras. That is also a fact. They are popular because they are about one third the size, weight and price of the Phase One.
Perhaps someone can start a thread on "Why are Phase One Cameras so big, heavy and expensive?" (:-)
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Let us all accept that Phase One has a great wifi tablet solution and move on.
Now if the discussion had anything to do with Phase One that would be useful, however it was a comparison of the Hasselblad X1D and the Fuji GFX. Why? Well possibly because they are in the same category of medium format mirrorless cameras. That is also a fact. They are popular because they are about one third the size, weight and price of the Phase One.
Perhaps someone can start a thread on "Why are Phase One Cameras so big, heavy and expensive?" (:-)
Boy, a thread gets a bit off target and those Hasselblad users sure get sensitive about it. Unless it gets off target for Hasselblad or anything else but Phase One. Then I guess it's ok.
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=125269.0
Listen, if someone posts something that is misleading to the members who read this forum, and it is a topic I am familiar with, I'm going to quite possibly post a correction, unless someone else does. This usually involves Phase One, but not always, I've also posted helpful information on Hasselblad and a host of other products and technologies. Unlike some, I do not post advertorials for Phase One or any brand.
If Paul wants to express doubt about whether Phase One has remote tablet capability via built-in wifi, I'm going to set the record straight. Now that's done, I'm happy to let the thread wander in whatever direction it wants to.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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i remember the leaf vale well, i had that combo with the ipaq...
and this is not about getting all files wirelessly onto a laptop or tablet....with file sizes getting bigger and bigger i dont really see a good solution for that coming soon anyway, regardless of how fast wifi speeds are getting...
the solution that hasselblad (and leaf and i guess phase) were and are offering is a way to hand somebody a tablet (more or less a large display) and being able to see all shots as they are taken....not 10 sec behind and not a real wireless transmission.....but still a way to zoom in quickly (without bringing everything to a grinding stop) and to quickly mark favorites.....
to me all the wifi implementations sony, nikon, canon, fuji are offering are more or less useless and the better the cameras, the more useless it gets....this is not about wirelessly transferring a 40 or 50 pix raw file......this is about having the option to see the same preview (available on the rear lcd) on a tablet.....hasselblad (and i guess phase) can do it....
but i guess judging from some comments made here, people aren't even aware of this option and always consider wifi tether a full transfer....
Actually, the workflow you're talking about can be done with a lot of Canon/Nikon/Sony cameras with Capture One - USB3 tether a supported camera to laptop and enable the Capture Pilot Image Server. From an iOS device you have full review with some basic adjustments, and there is a in-app purchase that'll give you full camera control from the iPad remotely. Plus, you can browse the Image Server with any browser, so review could be pulled up on an Android device.
Part of the fun is that as much as we rely on wifi, damned if it doesn't like to fail when you need it most. A photographer isn't going to be technical enough to dig in on why the wifi is flaking out (for example connected to a N router on 2.4ghz with lots of other traffic making the signal flakey) - especially when it works fine on their phone/laptop. Yes, bringing your own 5ghz 802.11ac would solve that issue, but there are enough other things that can go wrong on a set at any given time.
-Joe
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Actually, the workflow you're talking about can be done with a lot of Canon/Nikon/Sony cameras with Capture One - USB3 tether a supported camera to laptop and enable the Capture Pilot Image Server.
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Part of the fun is that as much as we rely on wifi, damned if it doesn't like to fail when you need it most. A photographer isn't going to be technical enough to dig in on why the wifi is flaking out (for example connected to a N router on 2.4ghz with lots of other traffic making the signal flakey).......
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The system you are talking about can be done with almost any camera using the cameras own software. I used it with the H3D and Phocus to Phocus Mobile. I have done it with Canon and EOS Utility.
The X1D does not use a router. It acts as a router and the iOS device connects direct to it using the SSID of the camera serial number. So there "should" be no interference.
Is it reliable? Seems to be but I have not been using it long enough to really say. What I need to try is the X1D connected to Phocus by USB to download the images at the same time as using the iOS device for customer monitoring and rating.
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The system you are talking about can be done with almost any camera using the cameras own software. I used it with the H3D and Phocus to Phocus Mobile. I have done it with Canon and EOS Utility.
The X1D does not use a router. It acts as a router and the iOS device connects direct to it using the SSID of the camera serial number. So there "should" be no interference.
Is it reliable? Seems to be but I have not been using it long enough to really say. What I need to try is the X1D connected to Phocus by USB to download the images at the same time as using the iOS device for customer monitoring and rating.
2.4ghz wifi only has 3 channels that don't interfere with each other, so unless you're in the middle of nowhere, there's going to be a lot of random 2.4ghz noise (interference). In urban areas this can be a huge problem. The IQ2 & IQ3 backs have the same wifi functionality as the X1d - as in it'll broadcast a SSID that you can select. Same thing for EyeFI or CamRanger - these all don't require a router, but they act as Access Points, and they suck at it. Connecting to a proper wifi access point makes it one less thing that the camera has to do well, and is a best practice to follow.
As to the workflow, the multiple viewpoints seems to be the one thing that other packages don't do well - but CaptureOne and CapturePilot excel at.
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Paul, you don't have to guess that Phase One has a great tablet handing solution, it's a fact. They do. Works very similarly to Hasselblad's implementation and was working that way before Hasselblad had anything approaching the same built-in capability.
Steve Hendrix/CI
i switched to phase backs after the leaf and none of my phase backs had wifi built in or anything close to what the leaf had....i am sure it has changed but to be honest i got tired of the constant upgrade cycle and the backs getting more and more expensive while my DSLR systems got cheaper and cheaper while gaining rapidly on the phase backs in terms of IQ....
i dont get why hasselblad and fuji can come in now and do what phase failed to do years ago...when they were in the best position to at least try and come out with lower end models to compete with cheaper and cheaper DSLRs with the better and better IQ....
but i guess it goes along with refusing to sell C1 to fuji GFX owners....
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Actually, the workflow you're talking about can be done with a lot of Canon/Nikon/Sony cameras with Capture One - USB3 tether a supported camera to laptop and enable the Capture Pilot Image Server. From an iOS device you have full review with some basic adjustments, and there is a in-app purchase that'll give you full camera control from the iPad remotely. Plus, you can browse the Image Server with any browser, so review could be pulled up on an Android device.
Part of the fun is that as much as we rely on wifi, damned if it doesn't like to fail when you need it most. A photographer isn't going to be technical enough to dig in on why the wifi is flaking out (for example connected to a N router on 2.4ghz with lots of other traffic making the signal flakey) - especially when it works fine on their phone/laptop. Yes, bringing your own 5ghz 802.11ac would solve that issue, but there are enough other things that can go wrong on a set at any given time.
-Joe
i am aware of that solution.....not the same at all.....i need a computer that runs a server and the camera is still connected with a cable.....
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i switched to phase backs after the leaf and none of my phase backs had wifi built in or anything close to what the leaf had....i am sure it has changed but to be honest i got tired of the constant upgrade cycle and the backs getting more and more expensive while my DSLR systems got cheaper and cheaper while gaining rapidly on the phase backs in terms of IQ....
i dont get why hasselblad and fuji can come in now and do what phase failed to do years ago...when they were in the best position to at least try and come out with lower end models to compete with cheaper and cheaper DSLRs with the better and better IQ....
but i guess it goes along with refusing to sell C1 to fuji GFX owners....
Paul, I can respect any feelings you have about how much Phase One should charge for their products. However, there's not much difference at all in pricing between a Phase One and Hasselblad digital back system. If Phase One chooses to create a mirrorless system (which I hope they do), the price will surely be more competitive to current mirrorless offerings from Hasselblad and Fuji. Apples and oranges.
But that doesn't have a darn thing to do with the topic of wifi implementation.
The fact that you used Phase One backs before their wifi solution was created isn't any fault of Phase One. Did you love seeing that crappy low rez image on the iPaq? No - it was better than nothing. Since early 2013, over 5 years ago, Phase One has had built-in wifi that blows away the wifi capability you're referring to with the older Leaf Valeo backs and pre-dates the Hasselblad adoption of wifi as a solution.
I find your whole attitude toward the topic of Phase One's implementation of wifi at best just unaware. And even though the correct factual information has been presented, you keep clapping back. There's plenty of information on these forums that goes back years concerning Phase One's wifi implementation.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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Paul, I can respect any feelings you have about how much Phase One should charge for their products. However, there's not much difference at all in pricing between a Phase One and Hasselblad digital back system. If Phase One chooses to create a mirrorless system (which I hope they do), the price will surely be more competitive to current mirrorless offerings from Hasselblad and Fuji. Apples and oranges.
But that doesn't have a darn thing to do with the topic of wifi implementation.
The fact that you used Phase One backs before their wifi solution was created isn't any fault of Phase One. Did you love seeing that crappy low rez image on the iPaq? No - it was better than nothing. Since early 2013, over 5 years ago, Phase One has had built-in wifi that blows away the wifi capability you're referring to with the older Leaf Valeo backs and pre-dates the Hasselblad adoption of wifi as a solution.
I find your whole attitude toward the topic of Phase One's implementation of wifi at best just unaware. And even though the correct factual information has been presented, you keep clapping back. There's plenty of information on these forums that goes back years concerning Phase One's wifi implementation.
Steve Hendrix/CI
Steve, i fully understand that phase does offer and has offered this feature for years....
but i really don't care what features phase has or does not have....neither hasselblad H system nor phase system are of any interest to me which is why neither are mentioned in my initial post....
i have mentioned this specific way of a "wifi preview tethering" over the years in many places, i am more interested in why sony, canon, fuji, nikon haven"t picked it up then how long phase has had it...
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Steve, i fully understand that phase does offer and has offered this feature for years....
but i really don't care what features phase has or does not have....neither hasselblad H system nor phase system are of any interest to me which is why neither are mentioned in my initial post....
i have mentioned this specific way of a "wifi preview tethering" over the years in many places, i am more interested in why sony, canon, fuji, nikon haven"t picked it up then how long phase has had it...
Why didn't you say so then instead of throwing up denials and expressing doubt Phase One ever even had such a thing. Bob did as well and then posted information that was factually incorrect (IQ1 100 has no live view). Sorry if I felt compelled to ensure accuracy. Let's just move on.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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Not "possibly" Bob, factually.
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And an IQ3 50 costs $21,990, not $49,990. An IQ1 50 full kit with XF Camera and Schneider 80mm Blue Ring Lens costs $14,990. To be sure, there is still a price difference, but it is not anywhere near as dramatic as you stated.
Steve Hendrix/CI
Can you refrain from misleading people? does the IQ1 come with wireless?
Is this a Lie from Digital T to push people to buy the IQ3? https://digitaltransitions.com/phase-one-iq1-100mp-vs-iq3-100mp/ ?
I don't know if there is some kind of desperation going on or what (the original post was not about P1 lacking something but Fuji)
but misleading people into buying something because it has a particular feature that it does not (if I believe DT) is not nice.
Best regards,
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Can you refrain from misleading people? does the IQ1 come with wireless?
Is this a Lie from Digital T to push people to buy the IQ3? https://digitaltransitions.com/phase-one-iq1-100mp-vs-iq3-100mp/ ?
I don't know if there is some kind of desperation going on or what (the original post was not about P1 lacking something but Fuji)
but misleading people into buying something because it has a particular feature that it does not (if I believe DT) is not nice.
Best regards,
JDuncan - what on earth are you talking about? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Do you even know who I am?
Neither I nor my company, Capture Integration, has any association with Digital Transitions, whatsoever. Doug Peterson may be "wildly biased" as he likes to say, and advertorializes on behalf of Phase One, and that is fine and his call, but I have zero association with Doug or DT, the company he works for.
I've been a member of Lula for over 10 years and have posted over 1,400 posts of objective and factual information, mostly about Phase One, but not restricted only to Phase One (we do carry other products such as Alpa Cameras, Profoto lighting, even Hasselblad cameras at times). Many of my clients are members of this forum.
Bob Shaw posted this:
"the IQ3 in Australia costs $49,990 and I bought the X1D for $7600".
That is what is misleading (though in fairness to Bob, perhaps not intentionally), comparing the price of a Phase One 100mp full frame 645 model to a 50mp crop sensor X1D. What I posted is not misleading, nor was there any attempt to mislead. Contrarily, the attempt was to provide accuracy and clarity. How did I not do so? What I posted was the correct price for an IQ350 (which does use the same sensor as an X1D) and also mentioned an IQ150 was only $14,990. I never even mentioned WiFi, but I mentioned the IQ350 first because it does indeed have wifi and is a more apples to apples comparison to an X1D (pursuant to the original topic). If I had only mentioned the IQ150 and somehow implied that it had wifi, then yes, that would have been misleading. But I did not do such a thing.
I don't care what any original topic is. If someone posts information that is misleading or inaccurate, and I have expertise in the matter, I'll post a correction. I have every right to do so, and the Lula members have a right to truth. Note that I did not interject Phase One into the topic, someone else did.
Finally, you do realize that the most offensive thing you can ever say to me is to question my integrity. And before you do so, perhaps you should first review things factually and know exactly who you're talking about.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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Bob Shaw posted this:
"the IQ3 in Australia costs $49,990 and I bought the X1D for $7600".
That is what is misleading (though in fairness to Bob, perhaps not intentionally), comparing the price of a Phase One 100mp full frame 645 model to a 50mp crop sensor X1D. What I posted is not misleading, nor was there any attempt to mislead. Contrarily, the attempt was to provide accuracy and clarity. How did I not do so? What I posted was the correct price for an IQ350 (which does use the same sensor as an X1D) and also mentioned an IQ150 was only $14,990.
Steve Hendrix/CI
Yes I not intentionally referred to the 100MP but everything you said after that was wrong. I clearly stated that it was in Australian dollars and I don't know for sure that you yet understand that there is a difference, even after explaining it to you.
I got the prices from a review in May 2018
http://au.pcmag.com/phase-one-iq3-100mp-trichromatic/53299/review/phase-one-iq3-100mp-trichromatic
I accept now after actually confirming prices with a dealer and with current EOFY offerings and posted so above that the 50MP is still over $30,000 AU which is only 3 times the price of the X1D.
Is it the same camera as the H6D or the Phase IQ3? No, however ..
THIS POST IS (OR WAS) ABOUT THE X1D vs GFX AND WIFI.
Anyway regardless of whether it was in Australian dollars or US dollars or rupees, here is it is:
The Xid is one third the price, weight and size of your offering.
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Why didn't you say so then instead of throwing up denials and expressing doubt Phase One ever even had such a thing. Bob did as well and then posted information that was factually incorrect (IQ1 100 has no live view). Sorry if I felt compelled to ensure accuracy. Let's just move on.
Steve Hendrix/CI
really?
i wrote " the solution that hasselblad (and leaf and i guess phase) were and are offering..."
not sure how that is throwing up denials.....i choose the word "guess" because i could not care less about what phase can, or could do...I GUESS the H system can do it as well.....i did not mention that either?
i am only still here because i started this thread and i honestly dont understand why you still keep going on about what phase system can do what?
again: i am honestly surprised that no DSLR system has this function and since the X1D has it, i really wish the GFX would as well....i think this is just something the software engineers havent thought about....actual wifi transfer of huge files is not something i am interested in....i am pretty sure this could be a firmware upgrade for most cameras....
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really?
i wrote " the solution that hasselblad (and leaf and i guess phase) were and are offering..."
not sure how that is throwing up denials.....i choose the word "guess" because i could not care less about what phase can, or could do...I GUESS the H system can do it as well.....i did not mention that either?
i am only still here because i started this thread and i honestly dont understand why you still keep going on about what phase system can do what?
again: i am honestly surprised that no DSLR system has this function and since the X1D has it, i really wish the GFX would as well....i think this is just something the software engineers havent thought about....actual wifi transfer of huge files is not something i am interested in....i am pretty sure this could be a firmware upgrade for most cameras....
As I told Bob Shaw, I would love to move on and let the thread get back on course, so can we just agree to disagree that when multiple authorities on a topic state a fact and you then say you GUESS it's true, in your mind you have acknowledged it and in my mind you're questioning it?
I'm in if you are. Just say yes, please.
Steve Hendrix/CI
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What I find most interesting about this thread about a feature that someone would like in the Fuji GFX is the fact that it has been dominated by a discussion about “Team Phase One” products and features. To date, 67% of the posts on this thread are about a product that was not even in the original post
Just a simple observation on a trend in this Forum
-Steve