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Equipment & Techniques => Computers & Peripherals => Topic started by: Nightjar on January 01, 2018, 01:19:20 pm
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Hi there,
I have two projects in the pipeline which make me think about upgrading to a professional grade monitor. I own a uncalibrated Asus PA279Q which I'm ok happy with, but it hass problems with uniformity, backlight bleeding and the lack of hardware calibration or a proper hood.
To give more detail: I would manly get a reference monitor for two art projects (and hopefully I can make us of it for many more projects in the future): One is a fine art photography exhibition where I need prints and the other is for an experimental short film which need grading to be screened in a cinema. Now I looked at a bunch of the newer wide gamut monitors from Benq (e.g.= SW320 and the 4k Asus - but Eizo really seems to one step above those even though spec wise they're pretty much the same. I also looked on the NEC side which is a bit cheaper, but Eizo seems to be more fit on the video side. Plus I read some times that color navigator is easier to handle (and Eizo has included Calibrators and Hood).
So the ideal solution would be the 4K Eizo model (CG318), but I simply cannot afford this monitor or justify the price at the level I am right now.
The Benq SW320 seems to be really nice, but people have struggles with the hardware calibration app and you have to be quite lucky to get a model which doesn't have mediocre uniformity.
I guess it pretty much comes down to those monitors:
Eizo CG2730:
+Good contrast ratio of 1500:1
+DCI Color Space 98%
+True Black Panel
+Just in my price range
- It has an integrated calibrator but it doesn't seem to measure grayscale; is this a big deal?
- Not 3D LUTs: Also not sure, it's something I need
- Not many Presets in OSD; justr sRGB & RGB*
- Not many reviews online; does anybody have this monitor an can say something about it?
Eizo CG277
+True Black Panel
+2 x 3D Lut
+Many presets in OSD: DCI, REC709 etc.
+fully equipped built in calibrator
- Contras of 1000:1 --> not sure it's relevant for printing
- DCI Color Space of 93% --> at lift gamma gain, alot of people recommend grading in rec709 anyways; so maybe not really relevant(?)
-A bit outside my price range
-(release in 2014; something new coming soon for the same price?)
Eizo CG248
+pretty much the same as the CG277
+4K, opinion devide here: some say it's a huge step up, why others claim 4k on a 24'' is not necessary
-price
-24''; I would surely prefer a 27''
-Fans; some claim it's rather loud, while other don't bother
Eizo CG247X
+has all the features of the 277 and more for a reasonable price
-FullHD is a little below what I like to work in and in my opinion outdated
-24''
I would really like to hear from people who have used the above listed monitors, maybe even used several of them.
Thanks for the help and tipps.
Cheers
*How do I integrate other profiles like the missing DCI P3; is an ICC profile save in Colornavigator?
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Eizo also has the CS2730, which is the same basic panel as the CG2730, but without the built-in calibrator (it still has the monitor-native calibration, but you plug an external calibrator into a USB port on the monitor). I have one, and it's a beautiful monitor that calibrates near-perfectly for around $1200 with 2.5K resolution and a 27" screen size. I'd go for a CS2730 over going down to 1920x1080 or a 24" side. If you don't already have one, a calibration puck adds about $150 (either an i1 Display or a Spyder works just fine).
It's a HUGE cut above a 4 year old Dell "Adobe RGB" monitor from the high end of their UltraSharp series. I can't get the Dell neutral no matter what I try, while the Eizo was quite close out of the box, and is near-perfect after calibration.
Dan
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Ditto on the CS2730 which I also own! Link to review on PRAD:
https://www.prad.de/testberichte/test-monitor-eizo-cs2730/
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Thanks for your answer.
Though, the CS2730 has a different screen; it's not a true black panel as Eizo lables it and the contrast ratio is 1000:1 instead of 1500:1
Cheers
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Why not consider the NEC monitors? I have been using 2 of them for years, 30 and 26 inches, and I love them. I get excellent results in terms of matching prints to the screen, and NEC provides its own calibration software that works very well (you must still buy a puck).
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I got the Eizo CG247x.
Regarding Nec vs Eizo: Eizo is much superior when it comes to motion picture
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I got the Eizo CG247x.
Regarding Nec vs Eizo: Eizo is much superior when it comes to motion picture
In what way?
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Eizo CG277
+True Black Panel
+2 x 3D Lut
+Many presets in OSD: DCI, REC709 etc.
+fully equipped built in calibrator
- Contras of 1000:1 --> not sure it's relevant for printing
It's not. The highest print contrast ratio you'll ever find is maybe 350:1. I'd go larger (27") and forget 4K; stuff's too small for me (I also have a MacBook Pro retina).
- DCI Color Space of 93% --> at lift gamma gain, alot of people recommend grading in rec709 anyways; so maybe not really relevant(?)
Depends on your goal for the final calibration(s). You can have multiple.
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Hi, I've got the CG2730 and am very pleased with it.
Not sure why you're worried about the lack of preset calibrations as you can very easily make your own based on the supplied ones.
Can't comment on video usage as I don't do any.
Cheers,
Phil.
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New NEC PA271Q has all features of EIZO CG2730 and CG277, and will be cheaper.
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New NEC PA271Q has all features of EIZO CG2730 and CG277, and will be cheaper.
I'm not seeing much info on this new NEC in English, any info you can share? How is it different than the current PA271W?
Thanks
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I'm not seeing much info on this new NEC in English, any info you can share? How is it different than the current PA271W?
Thanks
It has new Panasonic IPS panel, that has better uniformity, slightly larger gamut, and much better black apparance thanks to decent OCF (like CG2730). Like all PA-series it's also factory calibrated with very high precision, has internal, constantly working autocorrection sensor, and programmable 3D LUT (like CG277). There's also optional new hood that's much more convenient and much more affordable.
Here's google translation of my initial impressions:
https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fnotes%2Fmarcin-czornyj-kałuża%2Fnec-pa271q-nowy-monitor-do-zastosowań-o-krytycznym-znaczeniu-barwy-wstępne-wraże%2F1855448877858466%2F&edit-text=&act=url
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Thank you.
That link isn't working for me, not sure why. Screen grab below.
I was hoping for the improved blacks, like the CG2730, however the Eizo is listed as having a contrast ratio of 1500:1, whereas the NEC is listed at the more common 1000:1.
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In what way?
I think it has to do with frame rates that the display will accept Andrew. At least this was true a few years ago when I bought an Eizo for motion picture work.
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Thanks for your answer.
Though, the CS2730 has a different screen; it's not a true black panel as Eizo lables it and the contrast ratio is 1000:1 instead of 1500:1
Cheers
For motion picture work you will prefer a display with 1500:1 contrast over the older panels. I have one of the older displays (CX271) with 1000:1 contrast and I can tell you that I would prefer the newer display with the deeper black very much.
Be warned that proper calibration for motion picture work can get complicated. At the very minimum, you should also get an iOne Display Pro probe even for Eizo displays with a built in calibrator.
Personally, If I were to buy now, I would get the 24in Eizo CG247x that allows uploading 3d LUTs for color grading.
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Thank you.
That link isn't working for me, not sure why. Screen grab below.
I was hoping for the improved blacks, like the CG2730, however the Eizo is listed as having a contrast ratio of 1500:1, whereas the NEC is listed at the more common 1000:1.
It has1500:1 and slightly higher luminance (400cd/m^2), decent OCF, and 3DLUT - all EIZO CG2730+CG277 features, plus some of common NEC advantages (SpectraView Engine + auto correction sensors + MultiProfiler +perfect factory calibration + lower price)
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Eizo offer smooth 24p which for me would be alone worth buying an eizo. Necs are not optimized for motion picture.
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It has1500:1 and slightly higher luminance (400cd/m^2), decent OCF, and 3DLUT - all EIZO CG2730+CG277 features, plus some of common NEC advantages (SpectraView Engine + auto correction sensors + MultiProfiler +perfect factory calibration + lower price)
I'm hoping you're right about the contrast ratio. I'm going off scant information, such as this:
https://www.mediafrost.de/NEC-MultiSync-PA271Q-60004305-English.html
DISPLAY
Panel Technology AH-IPS GB-R LED Backlight
Screen Size [inch/cm] 27 / 68.5
Screen Aspect Ratio 16:9
Brightness (typ.) [cd/m²] 340
Contrast Ratio (typ.) 1000:1
Viewing Angle [°] 178 horizontal / 178 vertical (typ. at contrast ratio 10:1)
Response Time (typ.) [ms] 16 (8 white / black; 8 black / white); 6 (grey-to-grey)
Colours [Billion] 1.074 (10-bit per colour)
Colour Gamut Size / Coverage 108.6% / 99.3% Adobe RGB
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I'm hoping you're right about the contrast ratio.
You're not going to find a more knowledgeable resource on NEC's here than Czornyj!
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I'm hoping you're right about the contrast ratio. I'm going off scant information, such as this:
https://www.mediafrost.de/NEC-MultiSync-PA271Q-60004305-English.html
Just ignore mediafrost, they always put random specs ASAP just to be bookmarked.
I tested it thoroughly, and my findings are the results of measurements - here’s the copy-paste translation (sorry for autotranslation mistakes):
„During the weekend I had a new, eagerly awaited successor to the excellent and proven PA272W. The monitor does not yet have support in the SpectraView II and MultiProfiler software, I'm not sure how much its firmwares were, so for now I share some preliminary insights.
PANEL
PA271Q has a 10-bit Panasonic IPS panel with W-LED PFS backlight and OCF, with native contrast 1500:1 and maximum luminance of 400cd / m². The use of red phosphor PFS allowed to obtain a slightly larger color gamut - virtually 100% of sRGB and aRGB, with a color space volume of 120% AdobeRGB (1.4 million ΔE³). OCF effectively eliminates the black leaking at higher viewing angle, with a slight violet tint visible under the extreme sharp angle (unnoticeable when working straight ahead), without affecting comfort and aesthetics.
The panel has very good native uniformity - peak luminance errors when the DUC is switched off, reach 10%, the chrominance error is unnoticeable (peak error below 2DE). The panel finish is typical for NEC, a supersatin diffuser that gives a clear, sharp image.
FUNCTIONALITY
Like its predecessors, PA271Q is equipped with a SpectraView Engine with an autocorrecting sensor that corrects the color and brightness of the backlight in real time. The x, y, Y co-ordinates measured by the sensor are displayed in the OSD menu of the monitor. The measurement deviation of the autorecutor senor in relation to the i1D3 measurement was 0.4ΔE, ie below the measurement error of this colorimeter. After connecting the i1D3 sensor to the USB port, it is possible to automatically recalibrate and validate the monitor. Linearity traditionally in the PA series is factory set to the point.
The monitor is equipped with a programmable 3DLUT, there are up to 10 programmable presets (in the menu you can choose the number of presets displayed in the range of 5-10). Factory presets have been supplemented with the latest implementations of HDR standards. The videographic functions have also been supplemented with the possibility of displaying a UHD / 4K signal scaled to 2.5K and displaying markers.
BUILD QUALITY
According to current trends, the monitor has a slimmer casing and tactile OSD menu support with convex selected fields. The monitor is, however, surprisingly heavy, solid, made of pleasantly matte finished high-quality material, mounted on a rotating foot with height adjustment, tilting and pivot function. The monitor has two USB3 inputs, three USB3 outputs, one USB service port for connecting the sensor and firmware update, USB-C, mDP, 2xDP, 2xHDMI, and LAN outputs. Contrary to the prevailing fashion, the monitor is solidly and meticulously packed in a right-sized box, no less than in the case of PA272W (most likely due to the large mass of the display).
SUMMARY
PA271Q with SpectraView II software and the i1D3 sensor is parametrically, qualitatively and functionally in every respect the equivalent of EIZO CG277+CG2730. In the context of the expected price of this model, and lowered price of new hood it will be a bargain ;)”
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Just ignore mediafrost, they always put random specs ASAP just to be bookmarked.
I tested it thoroughly, and my findings are the results of measurements - here’s the copy-paste translation (sorry for autotranslation mistakes):
„During the weekend I had a new, eagerly awaited successor to the excellent and proven PA272W. The monitor does not yet have support in the SpectraView II and MultiProfiler software, I'm not sure how much its firmwares were, so for now I share some preliminary insights.
PANEL
PA271Q has a 10-bit Panasonic IPS panel with W-LED PFS backlight and OCF, with native contrast 1500:1 and maximum luminance of 400cd / m². The use of red phosphor PFS allowed to obtain a slightly larger color gamut - virtually 100% of sRGB and aRGB, with a color space volume of 120% AdobeRGB (1.4 million ΔE³). OCF effectively eliminates the black leaking at higher viewing angle, with a slight violet tint visible under the extreme sharp angle (unnoticeable when working straight ahead), without affecting comfort and aesthetics.
The panel has very good native uniformity - peak luminance errors when the DUC is switched off, reach 10%, the chrominance error is unnoticeable (peak error below 2DE). The panel finish is typical for NEC, a supersatin diffuser that gives a clear, sharp image.
FUNCTIONALITY
Like its predecessors, PA271Q is equipped with a SpectraView Engine with an autocorrecting sensor that corrects the color and brightness of the backlight in real time. The x, y, Y co-ordinates measured by the sensor are displayed in the OSD menu of the monitor. The measurement deviation of the autorecutor senor in relation to the i1D3 measurement was 0.4ΔE, ie below the measurement error of this colorimeter. After connecting the i1D3 sensor to the USB port, it is possible to automatically recalibrate and validate the monitor. Linearity traditionally in the PA series is factory set to the point.
The monitor is equipped with a programmable 3DLUT, there are up to 10 programmable presets (in the menu you can choose the number of presets displayed in the range of 5-10). Factory presets have been supplemented with the latest implementations of HDR standards. The videographic functions have also been supplemented with the possibility of displaying a UHD / 4K signal scaled to 2.5K and displaying markers.
BUILD QUALITY
According to current trends, the monitor has a slimmer casing and tactile OSD menu support with convex selected fields. The monitor is, however, surprisingly heavy, solid, made of pleasantly matte finished high-quality material, mounted on a rotating foot with height adjustment, tilting and pivot function. The monitor has two USB3 inputs, three USB3 outputs, one USB service port for connecting the sensor and firmware update, USB-C, mDP, 2xDP, 2xHDMI, and LAN outputs. Contrary to the prevailing fashion, the monitor is solidly and meticulously packed in a right-sized box, no less than in the case of PA272W (most likely due to the large mass of the display).
SUMMARY
PA271Q with SpectraView II software and the i1D3 sensor is parametrically, qualitatively and functionally in every respect the equivalent of EIZO CG277+CG2730. In the context of the expected price of this model, and lowered price of new hood it will be a bargain ;)”
I'm still not sure it will do 24fps like the Eizo though... But that might not be critical if you can set your decklink card to 30fps or 60fps output. After all you will be color correcting the movie, but not actually watching it for pleasure.
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Thanks for the info, Czornyj.
Any idea if they have a 30" 16:10 (ideally) in mind?
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Thanks for the info, Czornyj.
Any idea if they have a 30" 16:10 (ideally) in mind?
They still offer PA302W, but I haven't heard if it will be repleaced by any new model. There's a small demand for 30" displays, and 30" 16:10 panels are expensive - that's the cause Eizo stopped offering 30" long time ago. The alternative is PA322UHD which is very good (I use it personally), with nice OCF, but only 1000:1 CR.
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They still offer PA302W, but I haven't heard if it will be repleaced by any new model. There's a small demand for 30" displays, and 30" 16:10 panels are expensive - that's the cause Eizo stopped offering 30" long time ago. The alternative is PA322UHD which is very good (I use it personally), with nice OCF, but only 1000:1 CR.
Do you prefer the PA322UHD over the PA302W for reasons of the higher resolution, or something else?
I do like the 30" 16:10 form factor, but as you allude to, options are limited. Thinking about a PA302W, but I'm notorious for buying stuff just before it's lifecycle is about to expire, and not without regret.
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Do you prefer the PA322UHD over the PA302W for reasons of the higher resolution, or something else?
I do like the 30" 16:10 form factor, but as you allude to, options are limited. Thinking about a PA302W, but I'm notorious for buying stuff just before it's lifecycle is about to expire, and not without regret.
I swiched from 30” 3090WQXi that I loved and worked many years - but higher resolution and wider work space gave me much higher comfort and efficiency at work (graphic design, fine art printing and photography). Additionally OCF is also a nice aesthetic feature ;)
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I swiched from 30” 3090WQXi that I loved and worked many years - but higher resolution and wider work space gave me much higher comfort and efficiency at work (graphic design, fine art printing and photography). Additionally OCF is also a nice aesthetic feature ;)
I have worked on site with an Eizo CG2430, and I own a NEC PA271W. I hook the Eizo to my laptop and have no custom profile for it, but it with it's self calibration is considerably more neutral and better contrast, than my i1 Display Pro / Spectraview II calibrated/profiled NEC. It gives me monitor envy.
If I want that Eizo visual quality from a new NEC, do you think the PA322UHD would get me there, or best to wait for the PA271Q?
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I have worked on site with an Eizo CG2430, and I own a NEC PA271W. I hook the Eizo to my laptop and have no custom profile for it, but it with it's self calibration is considerably more neutral and better contrast, than my i1 Display Pro / Spectraview II calibrated/profiled NEC. It gives me monitor envy.
If I want that Eizo visual quality from a new NEC, do you think the PA322UHD would get me there, or best to wait for the PA271Q?
Having PA271Q (1500:1) next to my PA322UHD (1000:1) I haven't seen a significant difference regarding neutrality and contrast. PA271W has heavy matted diffuser (that I personally hate), which introduces clouding/sparcling and is more prone to flare, that lowers apparent contrast, sharpness and clarity of the image. So I think that super-satin diffuser and OCF of PA322UHD should get you there in 90% of cases, only very dark scenes may look better on PA271Q. But frankly I’m a fan of larger UHD displays ;)
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Thanks Czornyj.
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Czornyj, Any info on when the PA271Q might be available in the USA?
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Here's further information on the PA271Q, with (US pricing) from NEC:
https://www.necdisplay.com/p/PA271Q-bk-sv
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Here's further information on the PA271Q, with (US pricing) from NEC:
https://www.necdisplay.com/p/PA271Q-bk-sv
Cool, thanks
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Here's further information on the PA271Q, with (US pricing) from NEC:
https://www.necdisplay.com/p/PA271Q-bk-sv
I see this listed as spectraview for 1550 us dollars. There is one listed at a reseller in France, where i live, it is 1200 euros, but does not say anything about spectra view ll or having a spectra view engine. Are there two models that NEC offers, one with and one without SV ll?
For the last 9 years I've been using a 2690wuxi and calibrating with spectraview ll software/xrite i0ne display puck. I don't think my current monitor is an SV model. It does seem to calibrate fine, luts and all.
thanks
M
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Found answers on NEC France. They only list one model. They don't have with/without spectraview. It has what they describe as a spectraview engine. It is 3d lut programmable. It seems to say I don't need additional software, that it's built in. All I need is a puck. At least that's what it sounds like. Here is the french text off the site...
"Stimulez votre rendement créatif avec une reproduction exceptionnelle des couleurs : le panneau AH-IPS, la table de conversion 14 bits gamma 3D, le moteur SpectraView® et les options extraordinaires d'étalonnage s'allient pour que vous puissiez faire montre d'une créativité illimitée. Pour l'exactitude de l'étalonnage à long terme, l'écran propose un capteur intégré d'étalonnage et accepte même un capteur externe. Plus besoin d'application d'étalonnage d'hôte additionnelle - connectez simplement le capteur externe sur le port USB de l'écran et administrez votre cible d'étalonnage souhaitée sur le menu à l'écran. Faites le ménage sur votre bureau grâce à la connectivité USB Type C de l'écran pour gérer la vidéo, l'audio, l'alimentation et l'USB avec un câble unique."
"3D LUT programmable; Ajustement automatique de la lumiosité; Ajustement automatique du contraste; Ajustement automatique du niveau noir; Ajustement de DEL de puissance (couleur et luminosité); Auto-Luminosité; CableComp avec continuité de la détection de la syncho.; ColorComp; Compatible Windows 8; DDC-CI; Fonction d'auto-diagnostic; GammaComp (14-bit LUT avec 16-bit traitement); Hub USB intégré (3 up; 3 down); Luminosité et contraste; Mode incrustation d'image (PIP); Modes Eco; Overdrive; PiP/PbP; Poignée et pied "quick-release"; RapidMotion; Rétro-éclairage AH-IPS GB-R LED; Simulation DICOM; Technologie Rapid Response; TileComp; TileMatrix; ToroDesign."
Maybe this will help someone else in france or europe. I found two versions on the B&H site.
Here is the link to the monitor info on the french NEC site. I think this monitor would replace my old 2690 wuxi no problem. At least the specs seem to indicate that.
NEC france (https://www.nec-display-solutions.com/p/datasheet/fr/datasheet/t/Ecrans-bureautiques/Bureautique-professionnelle/rp/PA271Q.xhtml)
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Hi Morris
I had some misleading info regarding the PA242W that I just bought, including from the retailer who ordered it.
The Spectraview II software is not built in to my screen and this is different to the "Spectraview engine". My screen came with some (in my opinion) fairly useless software, but not Spectraview. There was confusion because in some markets you can buy just the screen and in others you can buy the screen plus Spectraview plus the puck, and in some places you have the choice.
NEC saw me right and supplied Spectraview plus the puck (relabelled X-Rite puck).
While the screen was very well calibrated from new, when you're paying that sort of money you want the last few % of accuracy, its worth ensuring you get Spectraview II plus a compatible puck. Hence, you need to confirm that it comes with the "Spectraview II software".
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Hi Morris
I had some misleading info regarding the PA242W that I just bought, including from the retailer who ordered it.
The Spectraview II software is not built in to my screen and this is different to the "Spectraview engine". My screen came with some (in my opinion) fairly useless software, but not Spectraview. There was confusion because in some markets you can buy just the screen and in others you can buy the screen plus Spectraview plus the puck, and in some places you have the choice.
NEC saw me right and supplied Spectraview plus the puck (relabelled X-Rite puck).
While the screen was very well calibrated from new, when you're paying that sort of money you want the last few % of accuracy, its worth ensuring you get Spectraview II plus a compatible puck. Hence, you need to confirm that it comes with the "Spectraview II software".
There's no SpectraView software built into the screen. It's a separate software product you download after purchase. It can be bundled with the display with an instrument. Or it may not be as you've seen and reported.
As for the SpectraView engine, what is it, what does it do? In short:
1. Uniformity correction
2. Aging compensation
3. Temperature compensation
4. Orientation compensation
5. 3x 1D LUTs
6. 3D LUTs
7. Color gamut mapping
8. Gamma correction
9. Black level correction
10. Ambient light measurement and compensation
11. Backlight luminance measurement and stabilization
12. Picture-in-Picture / Picture-by-Picture
13. Color blindness simulation
14. Metamerism correction
15. Hue/Saturation/Offset adjustment
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Consider this one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZD8N1HS?tag=thewire06-20&linkCode=xm2&ascsubtag=AgEAAAAAAAAAAK0AAAAAAAAimnQAAAAAWgN7Dw
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Hi Frodo. Thank you for the info. I do have spectra view ll software on my computer and own the i1 display I think it's called. It's how I've been calibrating my old nec 2690 all these years.
Andrew, thanks for this explanation on the spectraview engine. Wasn't sure what that meant.
I do have a question. The connectivity specs for the PA 271Q are as follows :
1 x DisplayPort; 1 x DisplayPort out; 1 x Mini DisplayPort; 1 x USB Type C; 2 x HDMI; USB ver. 3.1 (3 down / 2 up)
I am currently using a 2015 macbook pro that has two thunderbolt 2 ports. I use one of those for an external akitio enclosure. I have a second enclosure daisy chained to the akitio. All my storage and backup.
I wonder, can I hook the pa271q to the other thunderbolt 2 port and then connect my old nec 2690 to the 'display port out' of the new monitor? I'm interested in using the old monitor, which still works, for photoshop palettes and lightroom library and the new one for color and b&w work.
There's also an hdmi port on the macbook pro but always thought it might not display highest quality that way. I'm only doing still photography. No video. I might not understand the limitations of hdmi.
oh, my computer is a mid 2015 macbook pro with amd radeon R9 M370x 2048 mb + intel iris pro 1536 mb video stuff...
Based on how Czornyj detailed the monitor I think it would be a good solution for me quality wise and budget too.
thanks
M
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The new NEC PA271Q is now shipping from B&H.
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I wonder, can I hook the pa271q to the other thunderbolt 2 port and then connect my old nec 2690 to the 'display port out' of the new monitor?
I can't see why that would not work (or if not out of the new display, the MacBook itself) and if memory serves me, that MBP has sufficient horse power to drive those two plus it's display.
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I can't see why that would not work (or if not out of the new display, the MacBook itself) and if memory serves me, that MBP has sufficient horse power to drive those two plus it's display.
Hi Andrew. Thanks for reply. I guess I'm just not sure about that display port out behind the pa 271q and how that would connect to my old 2690. Use a cable for display port out and find an adapter to hook up to the dvi-i port of the old 2690? Slowly, this is starting to make sense to me.
Right now my 2690 is hooked up that way. Dvi-i cable to one of apple's dvi to thunderbolt 2 adapters. And yes, with the dual cards my macbook pro is supposed to have the horse power to drive it all.
Another way? I might be able to use a dvi to hdmi connector if one exists and plug my old monitor in that way. My macbook pro does have an hdmi port. Not sure how usability would be that way. I like, right now, how my macbook pro monitor and the nec are independent and how i can drag things, windows, files, all over the place. I assume that would continue.
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Another way? I might be able to use a dvi to hdmi connector if one exists and plug my old monitor in that way.
Maybe this?
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Maybe this?
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
thanks...
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Maybe this?
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Just to update : this cable is working fine for my older 2690, but I did just order a displayport to dvi cable that I will attach to the new monitor. It has a display port out that I should be able to hook the 2690 to directly.
Trying this because I'm having some difficulty getting my lightroom library panel on the old monitor and getting the number 2 display to appear on the pa 271q without going through some acrobatics. With the library on the old monitor the 2 display automatically shows up on my laptop screen. Not what I want.
I have closed the lid to the laptop and then can get the 2 display on the new monitor. Or I can open the 2 display as a separate window on the new monitor. It's a little confusing right now. Just got the new monitor yesterday. Maybe it'll take a few days for me to work it out.
Still. The nec pa 271q seems good. I calibrated it to the same numbers as my old monitor. White point is a bit 'whiter'...i did the contrast to 250:1 but it calibrated to about 280. Seems ok. I may try 350:1 but not sure how that might affect what i see on my monitor to prints. Lots of stuff to try to see where I stand. 9 years ago I started with 250:1 for contrast because Sean Reid suggested it for his own use. But I think he was mainly doing b&w work on a nec 2490. That was a long time ago.
Ok. Andrew thanks for the help.
Morris
update 02/09/2018 : I tried the displayport out from the back of the PA 217Q to dvi port on my 2690. Nothing. Zip. Nada. The 2690 remains black screen. So I am living with it attached dvi to the hdmi port which works. Not sure why that doesn't work. The new monitor, 271q is displayport to the thunderbolt 2 port on my macbook pro. I thought that would work to power images via displayport out to the old monitor. I may try again. I tried first time to the dvi-i port of the 2690. May try the div-d port next time.
calibrating the monitors, changed the 2690 to the new monitor
WP ; d65
gamma ; 2.20
intensity ; 85
contrast ratio ; 350:1
color gamut ; native full
delta of 0.49 for the 271Q
0.38 for the 2690 monitor
The last 9 years i had the 2690 at 80 for intensity and a 250:1 contrast ratio. When I tried that on the 271Q the shadows were harsh and i think were showing metamerism in dark areas, shadows, of clothing mostly. The roll of clothing, dark colors in the shadows, had weird wrong colors and sharp shifts instead of smoother transitions.
Anyway. Now both monitors look good. the only difference, the older 2690 is a bit warmer overall, especially at the edges. The new monitor more neutral. This is very obvious in b&w images. Less so for color work.
The 2690 has been running a bit more than 15,841 hours.
You can imagine, the 271Q what, 60 hours maybe...
Just thought I'd update my experience for anyone who might be interested. thanks for help along the way...
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Got a 271Q the other day, lots of improvements over the older 272W: lighter, smaller bezel and base, seems to run cooler, really slick OSD controls. Text appears sharper. SpectraView ran fine. Lots of connectivity options.
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I have the PA241w and the MDSVSENSOR2 / Spectraview ii software that came with it. If I purchase the PA271Q, is there any benefit to purchasing the new i1D colorimeter bundle vs using the MDSVSENSOR2 I already have?
Dave
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I have the PA241w and the MDSVSENSOR2 / Spectraview ii software that came with it. If I purchase the PA271Q, is there any benefit to purchasing the new i1D colorimeter bundle vs using the MDSVSENSOR2 I already have?
Dave
Yes, that's a much newer version of hardware with some useful functionality but you'll only be able to use it on the NEC I believe, perhaps like your older unit. So if you have a non NEC, might not run in some software products.
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Yes, that's a much newer version of hardware with some useful functionality but you'll only be able to use it on the NEC I believe, perhaps like your older unit. So if you have a non NEC, might not run in some software products.
Thank you Andrew. I have my original eye one pro for any other monitors and the occasional paper profile. Jeez, two colorimeters and a spectro. There must be a better way...
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I have my original eye one pro for any other monitors and the occasional paper profile. Jeez, two colorimeters and a spectro.
You can use those products and they may be just fine but the newer Colorimeter is at least on paper, is more ideal for the task.
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Got a 271Q the other day, lots of improvements over the older 272W: lighter, smaller bezel and base, seems to run cooler, really slick OSD controls. Text appears sharper. SpectraView ran fine. Lots of connectivity options.
There's a new feature I'm in love with:
The so called human sensor to turn the display off (but keep the connection alive) which will turn the display back on again when you sit back down. The delay before it starts and the depth of sleep is configurable and the display is color accurate once it comes back on. I can now work with my MacBook Pro lid closed (issues in the past), and turn off the Energy Savings stuff on the Mac, and not worry about screen burn in either. It's MUCH faster than waiting on the Mac to move itself it off the 'display sleep' mode which took 10-15 seconds to update. Walk up to the display, it comes on instantly. I'm told this is a unique feature of NEC (perhaps for the time being).
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I'm told this is a unique feature of NEC (perhaps for the time being).
Eizo has offered it for years.
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Eizo has offered it for years.
What is their feature called and where can I find out more so I can correct the person who told me this was a “unique” NEC feature?
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Eizo EcoView Sense. They introduced it about 10 years ago.
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Eizo EcoView Sense. They introduced it about 10 years ago.
Indeed, thanks! Just saw a little video. I'm wondering if his comments about unique may have been about configuration? I see I can control the distance the sensor detects a human, and I can set how long after walking away the display turns off, perhaps that configuration is what's 'unique'?
Either way, it sure is a neat feature!
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Eizo also has the distance setting. But you can't set the timing.
I have the feature on my old Eizo CG275 - but I don't use it. I must have concluded that it was a gimmick. I'll give it another spin now.
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Eizo also has the distance setting. But you can't set the timing.
I have the feature on my old Eizo CG275 - but I don't use it. I must have concluded that it was a gimmick. I'll give it another spin now.
I don't find this implementation a gimmick probably due to being a dual display system hooked up to a MacBook Pro. Using the OS Energy Savings to darken the screen (save energy and the panel) was rather slow to update once I was ready to work again. With the 'Human Sensor' I don't have to do anything but walk up to the display and it comes on, looking as it should, instantly. Not an issue when I was using an older desktop but with the MacBook Pro, I can save a few seconds many times a day and keep the MacBook display closed which was kind of problematic in the past (could be an OS or older display hardware issue).
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Interesting. PA271Q arrives tomorrow. I will have a similar setup with laptop hopefully closed, this new one and my old PA241w. Looking forward to it.
Dave
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Got a 271Q the other day, lots of improvements over the older 272W: lighter, smaller bezel and base, seems to run cooler, really slick OSD controls. Text appears sharper. SpectraView ran fine. Lots of connectivity options.
Andrew, how do you think it would compare to a PA302W from an image quality standpoint? (ie: contrast, anti-glare coating, sharpness, etc.) I'm a sucker for the 30" 16:10 format.
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Andrew, how do you think it would compare to a PA302W from an image quality standpoint? (ie: contrast, anti-glare coating, sharpness, etc.) I'm a sucker for the 30" 16:10 format.
Can't compare or comment, never had a PA302W.
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Can't compare or comment, never had a PA302W.
Fair enough. But while I have you, how would you say it compares to your 272W in those regards. Any overtly noticeable improvements wrt image quality?
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Fair enough. But while I have you, how would you say it compares to your 272W in those regards. Any overtly noticeable improvements wrt image quality?
I can't help you compare the PA302 to anything based on actual usage and experience. I can help compare the 272W to the 271Q as I've owned both. Sorry.
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I can't help you compare the PA302 to anything based on actual usage and experience. I can help compare the 272W to the 271Q as I've owned both. Sorry.
Yeah, Dog, that's what I meant, the 272W vs the 271Q.
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Yeah, Dog, that's what I meant, the 272W vs the 271Q.
Well I have below (or above depending on your LuLa preference's ;) ) based only on having the Q unit for about a week.
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Well I have below (or above depending on your LuLa preference's ;) ) based only on having the Q unit for about a week.
I saw talk about connections, bezels, weight, temp, sensor, etc. Little about image quality. But don't sweat it if you don't want to.
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I saw talk about connections, bezels, weight, temp, sensor, etc.
Indeed! That’s all you’ll get from me for the time being. :-\
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Indeed! That’s all you’ll get from me for the time being. :-\
So be it.
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So be it.
Once again indeed.
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Once again indeed.
Good on you for getting the last word, rather than just being forthcoming.
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Good on you for getting the last word, rather than just being forthcoming.
You got ALL and exactly what you deserve. ;)
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Nobody on this site can be spun like a top more than you. So tempting...
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Nobody on this site can be spun like a top more than you. So tempting...
What obligation do you feel I am under that requires I assist you in ANY information about anything considering your attitude?
To partially answer (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=126443.msg1069933#msg1069933) your question, the quality of my images are still very good to me on the new display. :)
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What obligation do you feel I am under that requires I assist you in ANY information about anything considering your attitude?
To partially answer your question, the quality of my image is still in very good to me on the new display. :)
Dude, what's with my attitude? I asked you to compare the IQ to a monitor you don't have. You responded that you could only do so on the 2 monitors you do have -- so I asked for that. You hemmed, hawed and misdirected. When it became clear the info you indicated you could offer would not be offered, I gave up with "so be it". You come back with "indeed" and complaining of my attitude.
I still give up. But I can't help but find humor in your approach up and down LL. Go ahead, take the last word, you always do. Just get it over with already. Later dude.
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Dude, what's with my attitude?
Here are a few examples:
I saw talk about connections, bezels, weight, temp, sensor, etc. Little about image quality. But don't sweat it if you don't want to.
Good on you for getting the last word, rather than just being forthcoming.
Nobody on this site can be spun like a top more than you. So tempting...
Again, I'm not under any obligation to provide you a review, not with about a week's usage under my belt. Ask Kevin or Chris to assign a reviewer perhaps. Assuming you're a paying subscriber of this site.
You hemmed, hawed and misdirected.
I told you what I know thus far.
When it became clear the info you indicated you could offer would not be offered, I gave up with "so be it". You come back with "indeed" and complaining of my attitude.
Indeed.
I still give up.
I'm OK with that. ;)
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Andrew, that's not an attitude problem, that's confusion. I asked you to compare the IQ of the 272W vs the 271Q based on your saying this:
I can't help you compare the PA302 to anything based on actual usage and experience. I can help compare the 272W to the 271Q as I've owned both. Sorry.
IOW, I took you up on your offer. But instead of saying you're not ready to compare IQ yet, which I'd have understood completely, you implied you'd already answered the question above or below.
Just asking you be clear and not play games.
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Fair enough. But while I have you, how would you say it compares to your 272W in those regards. Any overtly noticeable improvements wrt image quality?
Image quality is noticeably better - OCF reduces the "IPS glow" very well, contrast is higher, uniformity is better (with DUC set to off it's still better than in PA272W with activated DUC), gamut slightly larger thanks to W-LED with PFS phosphor backlight.
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Image quality is noticeably better - OCF reduces the "IPS glow" very well, contrast is higher, uniformity is better (with DUC set to off it's still better than in PA272W with activated DUC), gamut slightly larger thanks to W-LED with PFS phosphor backlight.
Calibrated monitors are a money pit and a rabbit hole. My Epson 3880 prints match my Apple Thunderbolt display very well. I just had to adjust the brightness level on my monitor to match my prints to reduce paper waste. Nobody thinks of calibrating the monitor to the camera sensor to begin with, and we all know how the color palette varies among camera brands, so color accuracy is out the window from the start.