Luminous Landscape Forum
Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: George Marinos on July 02, 2017, 10:29:41 am
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Please, anybody knows if the sheets of this new version of the paper, are perfectly flat?
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I *wonder* if that paper is the 'new' version of Harman/Hahn Gloss Baryta (which was curly :( )
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Yes!
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I just received a 17" roll. I don't think sheets are available in the U.S. quite yet. I am hoping the roll doesn't cause the head strikes I got with curled 17"x25" sheets.
Glenn
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I just received a 17" roll. I don't think sheets are available in the U.S. quite yet. I am hoping the roll doesn't cause the head strikes I got with curled 17"x25" sheets.
Glenn
Please report.
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I will post when I get a chance to make some prints
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Any update on this?
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Barytas tend to curl because they're on Alpha-Cellulose instead of 100% cotton. The only exception I know of is Moab. This is one of the reasons I prefer Platines to Barytas as Platines are usually 100% cotton which doesn't curl as much. For instance Canson's Baryta curls a lot more than their Platine.
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The Hahnemuhle Gloss Baryta sheets in 8.5x11 are not perfectly flat. Sheets are now available in the USA as rolls were shipping towards the beginning of the year. Not sure on the curl amount on larger sheets, but this is a "sample" box we opened to verify.
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Thanks for reporting Altex. As we see the box, the coating of the paper is up or down?
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That curl seems similar to the old version. At least with smaller sheets I can insert it in the landscape orientation so that the curl is top-down instead of left-right and the printer head doesn't hit the paper.
Any difference in surface compared to the old version?
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Barytas tend to curl because they're on Alpha-Cellulose instead of 100% cotton.
And RC papers?
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Barytas tend to curl because they're on Alpha-Cellulose instead of 100% cotton. The only exception I know of is Moab. This is one of the reasons I prefer Platines to Barytas as Platines are usually 100% cotton which doesn't curl as much. For instance Canson's Baryta curls a lot more than their Platine.
That's been debunked here in the LuLa forums several years ago.
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=73604.0
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That's been debunked here in the LuLa forums several years ago.
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=73604.0
It's not a matter of being "officially" debunked, this comes from my own direct experience from having tried them all. Alpha-Cellulose has a feel similar to cardboard and both kinks and warps more than 100% cotton. But if you can't tell the difference, and since Alpha-Cellulose is a little cheaper, then that's to your benefit.
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That's been debunked here in the LuLa forums several years ago.
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=73604.0
Not really sure if that "debunks" it, certainly Alan's opinion is useful, but it is just one person's limited experience and considering he was using a 3880 it most likely referred only to the tendency of sheets to curl, not about the stiffness and curl in roll paper.
I'm not saying one way or the other, but I just don't think that link really debunks the idea, and the previous post certainly shows someone with the opposite experience, as does the post preceding Alan's in that thread.
in 17x22 sheets, I've found Exhibition Fiber, Legacy Baryta, and Legacy Platine to all be pretty "flat" and remain that way after printing. The slight edge curl on the Baryta is perhaps slightly more than the Exhibition Fiber, but really insignificant. From the Roll, I find the two paper pretty much identical, plenty of curl, have to handle with care, and really must be mounted if you want to eliminate the curl. I haven't tried decurling, I don't have anything big enough for the large prints I make when printing from a roll.
I wish the Legacy Baryta came in 24x30 sheets like the EEF. I tend to print that size quite a bit and loved how flat the sheets stay in my portfolio box. I may have to continue to use EEF for that project.
I am curious about this. I don't like the surface of the Platine quite as much, but it's a really nice paper. I think I'll order a roll or two and see how the curl compares.
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And RC papers?
Depends on the RC papers. Those that are really thin will curl, the thicker ones aren't as bad. But when used in roll form they are almost impossible to decurl without a machine. For this reason I don't use them in roll form anymore except for specific (i.e. cheap) projects or if the paper I want comes in no other form, like metallic, and then I prefer buying it in sheets, except for panos of course.
But if you're printing say a 16" x 40" pano then that needs to be glued down to ensure perfect flatness.