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Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: keltoid on August 04, 2006, 04:45:17 pm
Hi, I'm trying to find out the retail price of a brand new Epson 4000 printer w/inks etc.  Been looking online and can't find anything amazingly!  I need to sell one.
Thanks to all!
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Jay Kaplan on August 04, 2006, 04:59:53 pm
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Hi, I'm trying to find out the retail price of a brand new Epson 4000 printer w/inks etc.  Been looking online and can't find anything amazingly!  I need to sell one.
Thanks to all!
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Have yo tried EBay?
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: keltoid on August 04, 2006, 08:42:35 pm
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Have yo tried EBay?
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Yes, I checked ebay but there aren't any brand new ones still in box, and its hard to tell what's THEIR number they want vs. what a new one would go for...  you know?  
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Jay Kaplan on August 05, 2006, 10:07:50 am
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Yes, I checked ebay but there aren't any brand new ones still in box, and its hard to tell what's THEIR number they want vs. what a new one would go for...  you know? 
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Well then, I don't know where you live, but have you tried [a href=\"http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/index.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes]Epson's Website[/url]?  

Follow the link to printers, then wide format and check the model you want. Yes, Epson will sell you one direct from their website and they even give you the suggested retail price.
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: keltoid on August 07, 2006, 07:43:00 pm
Oh yeah -- I certainly checked there before putting in a search to ask others! LOL
I'm not quite that much of a chucklehead...  


Nothing on there that I can find seeings how they are not selling it now apparently.  This company must change its models after one year it seems sometimes!  Thanks, anyway!
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Jay Kaplan on August 07, 2006, 08:35:13 pm
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Oh yeah -- I certainly checked there before putting in a search to ask others! LOL
I'm not quite that much of a chucklehead... 
Nothing on there that I can find seeings how they are not selling it now apparently.  This company must change its models after one year it seems sometimes!  Thanks, anyway!
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Strange, I was just there and they showed a price of $1,995.00 US

[a href=\"http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/WideFormat/WideFormatDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&infoType=Overview&oid=-12801&category=Wide+Format+Printers]Here[/url] is the link. Now is that not what you originally asked?
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on August 07, 2006, 09:38:16 pm
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Strange, I was just there and they showed a price of $1,995.00 US

Here (http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/WideFormat/WideFormatDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&infoType=Overview&oid=-12801&category=Wide+Format+Printers) is the link. Now is that not what you originally asked?
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I think not. He wants a 4000; your link is for the 4800.

Eric
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Mark D Segal on August 07, 2006, 09:42:49 pm
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Strange, I was just there and they showed a price of $1,995.00 US

Here (http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/WideFormat/WideFormatDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&infoType=Overview&oid=-12801&category=Wide+Format+Printers) is the link. Now is that not what you originally asked?
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Read carefully - the link you visited and posted is for a 4800, not a 4000. The question is about an unused 4000. To judge from the Epson and B&H websites, it would appear that the 4000 is no longer on the market.
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: pad on August 08, 2006, 02:34:56 am
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/ (http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/)

searched for "epson printer 4000"

a UK price compare site ... approx £1250
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Mark D Segal on August 08, 2006, 08:54:31 am
Interesting search result; indeed sometimes in the UK one finds things that one doesn't find here in North America. That much said, again some care is needed. Those prices would most likely include UK VAT 17.5%, so for someone selling it in North America on a private basis, the relevant base value of a 1250 pound machine is 1068 pounds, or about 2100 Canadian dollars, or about 1900 US dollars.

This is not much cheaper than a new 4800 in the USA, and marginally cheaper than a new 4800 in Canada.

Because discontinued products tend to be discounted even if new, one could argue that in a North American context potential customers may see these prices as unrealistic, the immediate comparitor being the newer 4800 model.

I say "could argue", because in the case of this particular printer, there is a temporary advantage that could give it this kind of value: unlike the 4800, one does not suffer the nuissance and very high cost of flushing ink to change between matte and glossy papers. This is a HUGE advantage of the older 4000 relative to the new 4800.

On the flip side, the new 4800 is said to be somewhat more neutral in its B&W rendition, have slightly better colour gamut and slightly less metamerism (which was minimal on the 4000 anyhow); the emphasis is on the word SLIGHTLY. The 4800 also has less bronzing and gloss differential on glossy media (which for many people is no big deal because it hardly shows when you look at the print head-on). From my documented experience, the 4800 is also a more economic machine to operate than was the 4000 (ink consumption and cleaning cycles - though still not a stellar performer in these respects).

The advantage of the 4000 in respect of not flushing ink with paper changes is temporary, because Epson's main competitors are bringing product to market that do not and will not require this costly process, and do and will produce prints every bit as good as Epsons'. Though it remains to be seen, it would not be unreasonable to expect that these non-Epson machines may also clog less.

Bottom line Keltoid: if you want to sell that machine for a good price DO IT NOW. I think Epson printers are in for a rough ride in terms of resale value within the next six months.
Title: Anyone know the cost of an Epson 4000?
Post by: Jay Kaplan on August 08, 2006, 05:52:09 pm
Sorry, my mistake, these old eyes don't always seem to catch the small details.

Another search found this company (http://www.promarketinc.com/) that sells factory refurbished Epson 4000's with a 1 year factory warranty starting at $995. Not the same as just out of the box brand new, but there may be very few, if any, brand new 4000's left.