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Title: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: andreart on February 19, 2017, 01:33:21 pm
Hi. What is your opinion ? what system to buy ? + & - ?

(http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116513.0;attach=157605;image)

Here is some points that right now is under big ??? mark
1. Flash synhro ?
2. Used lenses ?
3. New lenses in future ?
4. Witch system will be more opened with lense adaptors to other lense brands  ? lense mount and sensor distance ?
5. Witch sensor is better ?
6. Using with studio lights ? Hyper Sync TTL.
...

Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S vs Pentax 645D vs Pentax 645Z  (https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=hasselblad_x1d&products=fujifilm_gfx50s&products=pentax_645z&products=pentax_645d&sortDir=ascending)

Please make discussion and tell your opinion ?
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: voidshatter on February 19, 2017, 02:00:55 pm
Flash synhro ?

Of course the leaf shutter from the X1D has an advantage.

Witch system will be more opened with lense adaptors to other lense brands  ? lense mount and sensor distance ?

Of course the focal plane shutter and electronic shutter from the GFX offer more options (though it's not known whether X1D will add electronic shutter with a firmware update).

Witch sensor is better ?

The same, though Fuji is infamous for highly inflated ISO.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: elundqvist_photo on February 19, 2017, 05:16:28 pm
1) X1D (1/2000th s sync speed)
2) Neither, both are new and there are no used lenses?
3) Unknown
4) The GFX already has adapters for several brands whereas the X1D only supports Hasselblad H lenses
5) Same
6) Neither really. No HS/HSS support for GFX and X1D does not need it.

Hi. What is your opinion ? what system to buy ? + & - ?

Here is some points that right now is under big ??? mark
1. Flash synhro ?
2. Used lenses ?
3. New lenses in future ?
4. Witch system will be more opened with lense adaptors to other lense brands  ? lense mount and sensor distance ?
5. Witch sensor is better ?
6. Using with studio lights ? Hyper Sync TTL.
...

Please make discussion and tell your opinion ?
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: vampire on February 19, 2017, 05:25:11 pm
I think that a lot of people are trying to compare these first two medium format mirrorless camera as apples to apples, which I understand, but in reality they aren't designed to be that way. Hasselblad took the sensor and tried to build the smallest camera around that, including the lenses, without sacrificing any quality. Fuji created a camera system that was more compact than any previous medium format camera(excluding the X1D) and stayed true to the design and heritage of their current line of cameras. But while making it more compact, they didn't try to make it as small as possible. The beauty is that we have two completely different intentioned systems and two great cameras to choose from at price points we haven't seen before.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: BobShaw on February 19, 2017, 08:32:29 pm
Hi. What is your opinion ? what system to buy ? + & - ?
My opinion is that nobody in their right mind would shell out $10K plus accessories for something they had not had the chance to hold, use and play with unless it cured some road block problem they are having. Lighter and smaller are nice but they are not usually show stoppers.

I already have a Hasselblad so I would love to have an X1D. i bought a Hasselblad because it had the features I wanted, being leaf shutter and big sensor.
Would I pay 10K plus for a Fuji? Probably not. I could pay $8000 for a Canon, but chose to pay $3000 for a 5Ds.

My thoughts are that when things are thoroughly tested in the market place and the bugs removed is the best time to buy. I don't even upgrade operating systems until they are out for 6 months and for a Mac at least they are free. Exciting to see new things emerging, but why rush to throw away money.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 19, 2017, 11:20:34 pm
Hi,

I would say comparing with an 8K Canon is not a proper comparison. The most expensive DSLR is the D1X II at around 6000$US (at B&H) and that is a sports shooter's kind of camera, built for speed and high ISO work. High end image quality oriented full frame is more in 3000-4000$US range.

But, it could be said that both the X1D and the GFX are priced at where top end DSLRs used to be and some Leica models still are.

The X1D is delivering, the Fuji GFX is still not available and very few raw images have been posted, I have seen and downloaded a few, but it seems they are gone.

My impression is that the cameras are different. The Fuji is just a large sensor version of their APS-C cameras. The X1D is designed compact.

Fuji has long experience with EVF and CDAF (Contrast Detecting Auto Focus) technology, the X1D is a first try for Hasselblad.

I would wait a while, wait for raw images and raw support.

Actually, I wouldn't buy either right now. They would not solve any problem I have.

Best regards
Erik



My opinion is that nobody in their right mind would shell out $10K plus accessories for something they had not had the chance to hold, use and play with unless it cured some road block problem they are having. Lighter and smaller are nice but they are not usually show stoppers.

I already have a Hasselblad so I would love to have an X1D. i bought a Hasselblad because it had the features I wanted, being leaf shutter and big sensor.
Would I pay 10K plus for a Fuji? Probably not. I could pay $8000 for a Canon, but chose to pay $3000 for a 5Ds.

My thoughts are that when things are thoroughly tested in the market place and the bugs removed is the best time to buy. I don't even upgrade operating systems until they are out for 6 months and for a Mac at least they are free. Exciting to see new things emerging, but why rush to throw away money.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: landscapephoto on February 20, 2017, 01:17:48 pm
I think that a lot of people are trying to compare these first two medium format mirrorless camera as apples to apples, which I understand, but in reality they aren't designed to be that way. Hasselblad took the sensor and tried to build the smallest camera around that, including the lenses, without sacrificing any quality. Fuji created a camera system that was more compact than any previous medium format camera(excluding the X1D) and stayed true to the design and heritage of their current line of cameras. But while making it more compact, they didn't try to make it as small as possible. The beauty is that we have two completely different intentioned systems and two great cameras to choose from at price points we haven't seen before.

Indeed. I saw the two cameras at photokina and the Fuji looks much bigger than the Hasselblad, also because the lenses are bigger. I don't think that they have been designed for the same market at all.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: landscapephoto on February 20, 2017, 01:19:56 pm
My opinion is that nobody in their right mind would shell out $10K plus accessories for something they had not had the chance to hold, use and play with unless it cured some road block problem they are having. Lighter and smaller are nice but they are not usually show stoppers.

I already have a Hasselblad so I would love to have an X1D. i bought a Hasselblad because it had the features I wanted, being leaf shutter and big sensor.
Would I pay 10K plus for a Fuji? Probably not. I could pay $8000 for a Canon, but chose to pay $3000 for a 5Ds.

My thoughts are that when things are thoroughly tested in the market place and the bugs removed is the best time to buy. I don't even upgrade operating systems until they are out for 6 months and for a Mac at least they are free. Exciting to see new things emerging, but why rush to throw away money.

Exactly. I find the X1D quite tempting, but there is little it can do over what my ancient H4D can and which I need.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: spassig on February 28, 2017, 07:02:40 am
I would wait a while, wait for raw images and raw support.

Actually, I wouldn't buy either right now. They would not solve any problem I have.

Best regards
Erik

Hi Erik

a) Doesn't X1D generate RAWs?
b) Doesn't GFX generate RAWs?
c) Doesn't Phocus support X1D pictures?
d) Doesn't Photoshop or other application support GFX pictures?
e) Can You explain Your problems?

Jochen
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Rdmax on February 28, 2017, 10:13:54 am
Exactly. I find the X1D quite tempting, but there is little it can do over what my ancient H4D can and which I need.

V system user here, even more ancient :P

Though strongly considering X1D because it's much lighter
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 28, 2017, 10:41:01 am
Hi Jochen,

My bad, to hasty writing...

What I mean is that I need to have a rawconverter that can handly the raws from the GFX. RawTherapee can do that, but it doesn't have no colour profile for the GFX, yet. Another converter is AccuRaw. The samples I have seen so far either turned out pink or just non informative.

So, I think we need to wait until there is a raw converter handlig the GFX files before making a proper evaluation of the raw data.

The other aspect is that I am very interested in the GFX and the X1D. But, I don't have any real need they would solve. I am shooting with A Sony A7rII and that gives me both DR and the megapixels I need. The A7rII also allows tilts and shifts with many of my lenses. So I have a bystander interest in 44x34 mm MFD.

I also have a Hasselblad 555/ELD and a P45+ back, so would I want to shoot MFD I can also use that one.

Still, I feel the GFX and the X1D are interesting developments.

Best regards
Erik


Hi Erik

a) Doesn't X1D generate RAWs?
b) Doesn't GFX generate RAWs?
c) Doesn't Phocus support X1D pictures?
d) Doesn't Photoshop or other application support GFX pictures?
e) Can You explain Your problems?

Jochen
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Paul2660 on February 28, 2017, 11:29:56 am
Hi. What is your opinion ? what system to buy ? + & - ?

Here is some points that right now is under big ??? mark
1. Flash synhro ?
2. Used lenses ?
3. New lenses in future ?
4. Witch system will be more opened with lense adaptors to other lense brands  ? lense mount and sensor distance ?
5. Witch sensor is better ?
6. Using with studio lights ? Hyper Sync TTL.


Please make discussion and tell your opinion ?
A few thoughts:

If you need flash synchro, past 1/125, the X1D would be a pick for sure due to the leaf shutter.  However the Fuji GFX and EX-500 flash should allow flash work beyond 1/125, just as the EX-500 allows this on the X-T2.  I have used it up to 1/1000.  I realize this is a pulsing type of flash, but for my work it works fine.  I am not a studio shooter.

New lenses, I am sure both companies have new lenses coming.  X1D has 3 and Fuji has 3, with 3 more in the pipeline.  I hope to see Fuji get to a more telephoto zoom or prime in the future.  With the 23mm and 45mm, I would be fine for landscape work, along with the 120mm.

Sensors are the same, Fuji claims to have made a few more unique changes to the sensor but under the covers it's the same sensor Phase One has used in the IQ250, 150 and 350.  Very good sensor, excellent DR. I don't expect the Fuji to deliver anything less. 

I don't think anyone will make an adapter for the X1D as it has no shutter and no ES, thus only Hasselblad leaf lenses can work.  Hasselblad has already made an adapter to allow their older non X1D specific glass to work on the X1D

The Fuji has a full ES and Focal shutter thus it's up to Fuji and third parties, but most lenses 35mm and MF should work.  The only issue will be aperture control on all of them. 

Fuji currently has no used glass as this is a totally new camera platform, Hasselblad allows use of their older used glass.

Raw conversion will be here soon for the Fuji and I am not to worried about what the files will look like, it's a standard Bayer pattern on the sensor not X-Trans so LR will do fine. 

Paul Caldwell
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on February 28, 2017, 11:54:46 am
The Cambo Actus-GFX was announced today and supposedly ready to ship. I ordered one from Capture Integration. It uses the same rail, bellows, and lens boards as the standard Actus, but has (of course) the GFX on the rear standard. I have not figured out if the rear standard is now more easily replaceable than the standard Actus (with its tiny screws). This allows me to use my enlarger and LF lenses with the GFX. For me, a big deal. Also the Cambo Actus is beautifully made. Cambo also makes the Smart Flex L-Bracket.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: razrblck on February 28, 2017, 12:45:53 pm
The two cameras are very different, they just happen to be both mirrorless with the same sensor.

The GFX is designed to be a workhorse camera, capable of adapting to many tasks. The X1D is a leisure/travel camera for people that want the Hasselblad colors or already shoot Hasselblad for work.

If I had the money I'd take both, because they are just stellar products for different applications.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 28, 2017, 02:57:00 pm
Hi,

I see your point, but I see it differently. I would any time take the one that is best fits to my needs. Having two kits is just a nightmare. Twice the weight when you fly. Which one to take on a trip. Playing around with two systems…

Take one system, learn to use it and optimise it four your needs. For me that is the winning concept!

Best regards
Erik

The two cameras are very different, they just happen to be both mirrorless with the same sensor.

The GFX is designed to be a workhorse camera, capable of adapting to many tasks. The X1D is a leisure/travel camera for people that want the Hasselblad colors or already shoot Hasselblad for work.

If I had the money I'd take both, because they are just stellar products for different applications.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: razrblck on February 28, 2017, 03:32:38 pm
Absolutely, take only one for your trips! Both cameras would be quite excessive!

I would probably go for a Sony RX100 mk.V and a Fuji X100T on a trip, but that is just my preference. :)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on February 28, 2017, 03:45:52 pm
Hi,

This is about what I take on a trip.


That list covers my needs/wants pretty well… T&S, telephoto, ultra wide and motion are important for what I feel I want to achieve. Do I achieve it? Not necessarily!

Best regards
Erik

Absolutely, take only one for your trips! Both cameras would be quite excessive!

I would probably go for a Sony RX100 mk.V and a Fuji X100T on a trip, but that is just my preference. :)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 01, 2017, 07:59:15 pm
Hi Bob,

Canon D1XII sells B&H for 5999 $US.

But I think it is an improper comparison, you would probably not go for the 50 MP EOS 5Ds with 5 FPS if you needed 16 FPS.

Both systems are very new, your suggestion to wait until things shake down a bit, first bugs are fixed and more test reports can be seen is a very good one.

The basic differentiators are:


Both systems use the same sensor, so image quality parameters are the same. Hasselblad talks about 16 bit colour but the files actually contain 14 bits of data.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59203633
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59002429

Phase One and Hasselblad has long used '16-bits' in their sales arguments. The problem is that 16-bits is an alt-fact, otherwise known as lie. Repeating a lie doesn't make it more true…

Although both systems use the same Sony sensor it is possible but not probable that they may use different CFA (Colour Filter Array) designs. The Sony sensors has many modes, it has built in noise reduction for instance. Hasselblad may use the sensor differently from Fuji. But in any case, what comes out of that sensor is 14 bit wide binary data.

A great differentiator may be colour profiles. Hasselblad is known for great colour from Phocus and some X1D owners say that LR delivers near identical colours to Phocus. That really indicates that Hasselblad worked with Adobe on supplying a good DCP (DNG Colour Profile). What Fuji does needs to be seen.

Best regards
Erik

My opinion is that nobody in their right mind would shell out $10K plus accessories for something they had not had the chance to hold, use and play with unless it cured some road block problem they are having. Lighter and smaller are nice but they are not usually show stoppers.

I already have a Hasselblad so I would love to have an X1D. i bought a Hasselblad because it had the features I wanted, being leaf shutter and big sensor.
Would I pay 10K plus for a Fuji? Probably not. I could pay $8000 for a Canon, but chose to pay $3000 for a 5Ds.

My thoughts are that when things are thoroughly tested in the market place and the bugs removed is the best time to buy. I don't even upgrade operating systems until they are out for 6 months and for a Mac at least they are free. Exciting to see new things emerging, but why rush to throw away money.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: andreart on March 02, 2017, 01:28:27 pm
Hasselblad X1D

Cons:

Plastic parts are fragile for scratches.
Lenses are slow to get good subject separation
Battery capacity is low.
You can not have bokeh circles with the lenses. They look like honeycomb. Maybe because of the leaf shutter.
45mm and 90mm both have focus shift.Especially at short distances.
Files are flat and not lifelike.Dimenson is not there at all.
Lcd has a low resolution.
Evf is not better than sony a7x series.
Slow start-up time like computer.
After too many shuts body becomes hot.
Strange shutter noise.Ahhrrr 😬😬😬

Pros:

Leica M like body. Build quality and style are exceptional
Super easy menu. It is Apple like.
Very good ergonomics on buttons and grip.
Great AF accuracy. Great working AF light for low light works
Super easy to use.
Nearly shake free because of leaf shutter.
Superb use of Nikon ttl flashes and profoto b1 up to 1/2000 sec
Colors are real as you see with your own eyes when you use Phocus software.

Fujifilm GFX

Cons:

Ugly style and ergonomics. Play and delete buttons are so bad placed.
To much buttons and crowded menus.
Focus is fast but not accurate especially in low light.
Heavy after Leica bıt for dslr users it is ok. Especially lenses.
Because of bad ergonomics and the huge lenses(compared to Leica) it is impossible to use small bags for street and travel photography.

Pros:

Forget about the cons and run to buy it😃
Punchy and lifelike files even no raw for now.63mm and 120mm has that special leica pop 😳😳
Super subject separation.
Great shutter sound
Buttons are what you want them to be [Admin note: seems like it has many buttons, maybe too many, but at least Fujifilm placed them mostly smartly, except for the delete and play button. Anyway, we are waiting for clarification about this on the GFX group, and I will update the article as soon as Ahmed elaborated more clearly]
Detail is more refined and corrected than Hasselblad (hassy sometimes seem like to much Photoshop sharpened)

http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-gfx-vs-hasselblad-x1d-user-review-forget-cons-run-buy-gfx-fuji-guys-gfx-top-features-video/ (http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-gfx-vs-hasselblad-x1d-user-review-forget-cons-run-buy-gfx-fuji-guys-gfx-top-features-video/)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on March 02, 2017, 02:20:08 pm
I feel this presentation by Fuji satisfies most of the gearhead in me, confirms why I should have ordered this camera, and provided the IQ is good, why it will make my work so much easier than it now is with the Nikon D810. I am sure most of you have seen this, but if you have not, it is very, very helpful.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paVGe4_yJuw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmHHGq8cdSA&index=2&list=PLlWO-2S-UogrSLbG_QIKuuZ1ucrpMkIeu
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: stonebird on March 02, 2017, 03:56:59 pm
"The two cameras are very different, they just happen to be both mirrorless with the same sensor." :)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: David Watson on March 02, 2017, 04:44:32 pm
You haven't said what you will use either camera for.  Personally I wouldn't buy either one as they don't fit my needs.  I use an H series for work where portability is not an issue and for any work using flash.  I use a Nikon D810 for travel and more informal stuff.  If you want the look that MF offers then a used H series is great value, if you want portability and solid images the Nikon takes some beating. I don't like the Sony A7R2 simply because I find the small size is an issue for me but otherwise it is a great camera.

Having said all of that Lloyd Chambers, who has not been a Hasselblad fan in the past, is writing some very complimentary stuff about the X1D.  He is just about to test the Fuji.  In your shoes I would spend a few bucks, subscribe to his site and hold fire until he finishes his evaluation.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: andreart on March 03, 2017, 08:14:22 am
one more thing. In 1 year there will be Nikon D850 (~50 megapiksels), and with 105mm 1.4 you can get this middle format look like

right now I am waiting more review, waiting for more firmware versions that both companies finish their products.
waiting for 1:1 review and field tests.
waiting for software (adobe, lightroom) raw support

still cant understand witch is more for me.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 06, 2017, 03:55:58 pm
Hi,

AT this stage, it seems to me that the GFX is the more flexible system.

On the other hand, I don't feel that a 50MP 44x33 mm sensor is that a big improvement from the 42 MP 24x36 kit I already have. So neither the X1D nor the GFX have a great attraction for me. That said, it is nice to see some action 44x33 mm MFD.

Best regards
Erik
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hogloff on March 06, 2017, 08:08:24 pm
Hi,

AT this stage, it seems to me that the GFX is the more flexible system.

On the other hand, I don't feel that a 50MP 44x33 mm sensor is that a big improvement from the 42 MP 24x36 kit I already have. So neither the X1D nor the GFX have a great attraction for me. That said, it is nice to see some action 44x33 mm MFD.

Best regards
Erik

Especially not at the cost of entry for the minor improvement.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 07, 2017, 12:26:32 am
Hi,

When I switched from Sony A-mount to Sony-FE mount I spent something like 10000$US plus on camera + adapters + lenses and I perhaps spent another 5000 on more gear. That kind of money would me a small but decent gear with the GFX.

Would the GFX arrived two years ago, I would give it very strong consideration. But, now it is here and now…

Best regards
Erik


Especially not at the cost of entry for the minor improvement.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: BAB on March 08, 2017, 10:32:11 am
Hey Eric ,
Like your thoughts by next January we should be able to buy a full kit w/ 6 lenses and the X1D body for under 10k then what's the decision?
B
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 08, 2017, 03:16:42 pm
Hi 'B',

I don't think I would buy the GFX today. Why?

It is about my needs, really
Sony A7rIIFuji GFX
Image quality+++++ (I guess)
Lens selection+++
Tilt and shift options+++?
Telephoto options+++?
Ultra wide options+++?

Fact is that the A7rII is a good match for my needs. The way it works, I mostly use it with Canon and Zeiss (C/Y-mount) lenses. In the long telephoto range I use a 70-400/4-5.6 G APO although I consider getting the Canon 100-400/4.5-5.6 LII instead. In that case I would consider adding a Canon 7DII for shooting birds and wildlife, or I would consider a Sigma 500/4 DG OS HSM Sport. (*)

Two years ago, it may have been different. But now the GFX is to little, to late.

Best regards
Erik

(*) I am going to Iceland this summer, and I do pay some concern to my telephoto options. When shooting birds there is nothing like a telephoto lens that is too long. The Canon 7DII has an excellent AF. A cheaper option is to keep the Sony A77 and use it with the Sony 400/4.5 APO I already have. Need to do some testing.


Hey Eric ,
Like your thoughts by next January we should be able to buy a full kit w/ 6 lenses and the X1D body for under 10k then what's the decision?
B
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: BAB on March 08, 2017, 09:29:18 pm
I'm thinking Iceland myself end of summer early sept, I've seen lots of quality images from there and lots of junk. I would also think some Heli photography in Iceland should be on the menu The higher the better!
Fact is when your camera is on three legs weight vs ease of use and quality is all that matters if you can squeeze it out of a whatever in the final print and face mount an unreal image that's the goal, everything else is moot.
I just finished a few B&W zen images printed on Epson metallic and face mounted on plexiglass they are killer, but the camera wouldn't have mattered much the PP was the real challenge any of today's modern digital recorders would have delivered a malleable file to print.


What I do see though as a huge advantage is the highlight roll off and as a huge disadvantage is the blocking in the shadows let alone the noise. Every layer if not done correctly just adds what I call a funny haze to certain areas. It takes some getting used to the monitor image, the print proof and then believing when printed, mounted and hung on the wall it will look just as good as it did the monitor. That's why I love the metallic paper face mounted and canvas print in a stretched frame. Anyway that's off topic but when I see the images that strike me the most they all seem to be the ones that you can just barely start to imagine how the photographer got to the result....today's photography ART is very far from the days of vibrant postcards, at least for my tastes.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: andreart on March 11, 2017, 05:26:43 am
one of the first Hasselblad X1D vs. Fuji GFX

http://akimagery.com/hasselblad-x1d-vs--fuji-gfx (http://akimagery.com/hasselblad-x1d-vs--fuji-gfx)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Pictus on March 11, 2017, 04:54:09 pm
A few thoughts:

If you need flash synchro, past 1/125, the X1D would be a pick for sure due to the leaf shutter.  However the Fuji GFX and EX-500 flash should allow flash work beyond 1/125, just as the EX-500 allows this on the X-T2.  I have used it up to 1/1000.  I realize this is a pulsing type of flash, but for my work it works fine.  I am not a studio shooter.

But to overpower the sun with the Fuji TTL will need lots of EX-500 or a big monobloc flash...
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: BobShaw on March 11, 2017, 06:13:36 pm
1. one more thing. In 1 year there will be Nikon D850 (~50 megapiksels), and with 105mm 1.4 you can get this middle format look like
2. right now I am waiting more review, waiting for more firmware versions that both companies finish their products.
waiting for 1:1 review and field tests.
waiting for software (adobe, lightroom) raw support
3. still cant understand witch is more for me.
1. A 50MP 35mm camera with 100mm lens does not give a medium format look. I have both. For anything other than head and shoulders you will be in the next room to the model for a start. That is just one thing but there is a lot in the medium format "look".
2. If I waited for the perfect digital camera then I would still be shooting film (and I do occasionally).
3. Neither. If you want to dabble in medium format then there are great buys in older MF cameras that are still better than most (if not all) 35mm.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: PrintPd on March 14, 2017, 11:27:43 am
Yesterday I got my first hands on impression of the X1D. Have not seen the GFX yet but I really like the size, design and handling of the X1D a lot. I would be interested in a camera with 2 lenses: 35mm and 100mm Macro 35mm equivalent.
Hasselblad has the 45mm and announced a 120mm Macro.
Fuji has the 120mm Macro and announced the 45mm.
On thing I noticed with the X1D that after pressing the shutter there is little lag for the exposure but it takes quite a long time for the EVF is back again.
I wonder how the speed of the GFX compares?
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hcubell on March 14, 2017, 11:44:29 am
Yesterday I got my first hands on impression of the X1D. Have not seen the GFX yet but I really like the size, design and handling of the X1D a lot. I would be interested in a camera with 2 lenses: 35mm and 100mm Macro 35mm equivalent.
Hasselblad has the 45mm and announced a 120mm Macro.
Fuji has the 120mm Macro and announced the 45mm.
On thing I noticed with the X1D that after pressing the shutter there is little lag for the exposure but it takes quite a long time for the EVF is back again.
I wonder how the speed of the GFX compares?
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What you experienced is not actually shutter lag. It is the blackout of the EVF for around a second after the shutter is depressed. The blackout with the GFX is about .6 seconds. There is very little delay between the shutter being depressed and the exposure...around 1/10th of a second.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Paul2660 on March 14, 2017, 11:46:23 am

Lag on the GFX with a fast card is very short.  I don't notice any shutter lag, some say there is some.  EVF refreshes very fast 1/2 sec with the 32-64 and about 1 second with the 120mm.  I have noticed some varied write times on the card for some reason.  Sometime, the images seem to write in about 2 seconds, other times it can take as long as 4 to 5 seconds before the write light is done.  However this has yet to impact my shooting. 

Paul Caldwell
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Alabsiz on March 20, 2017, 01:54:43 am
The only discerning difference you need to know is that:
X1D is 16bit  while the GFX is 14bit a difference of well.. [281-trillion] no.. not a typo.  Its what you pay premium dollars for.  that added cost and performance comes from the Graphic Engine and has nothing to do with the sensor per se.  Imagine if you will a PC's Graphic Card, the higher the performance the more costly it is.

That said, I believe that the GFX will be the system to beat for at least the next 3 yrs, before Fuji drops the GFX100s if not sooner.

BTW no one in their right mind here should be mocking Fujifilm in the least bit, or belittling what this Mega, Giant, behemoth, Corporation, that won't be in the least bit affected by the sale results or failure of the GFX system.  I mean do I really need to remind anyone of how important they are to the photographic industry and their contribution: Broadcast - Cinema - Film [yes 135's and instant film till today] - Digital - Fabrication Facilities - Largest Lens manufacturer in the world period for every conceivable industry.

In reality and the real benchmark when it comes to GFX particular Sensor size and performance level would be the Pentax 645z (mirrorless aside).  A true trailblazer that deserves more respect than its been given.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: vjbelle on March 20, 2017, 02:19:35 am
What you say is very true.  Fuji is a monster and I hope they succeed in this venture.  Their size could be a deficit with regards to reaction time to what the buying public wants.  I hope not.... The X1D has a lot of sex appeal and its industrial design has given them a slight advantage but I also think the the GFX will be the camera to beat.  I have no skin in the game so far but my money would probably land in the Fuji camp.

Victor
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 20, 2017, 02:58:03 am
Hi,

The X1D is a 14 bit device. Hasselblad and Phase One has been talking about 16 bits for a long time, but it has always been an alternate fact.

The only device that is actually 16 bit is the 100 MP Fuji 100 MP sensor, it delivers 15 bits worth of data.

Check this thread: https://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-and-digital-backs/61134-lightroom-acr-now-supports-iq3100.html

Best regards
Erik





The only discerning difference you need to know is that:
X1D is 16bit  while the GFX is 14bit a difference of well.. [281-trillion] no.. not a typo.  Its what you pay premium dollars for.  that added cost and performance comes from the Graphic Engine and has nothing to do with the sensor per se.  Imagine if you will a PC's Graphic Card, the higher the performance the more costly it is.

That said, I believe that the GFX will be the system to beat for at least the next 3 yrs, before Fuji drops the GFX100s if not sooner.

BTW no one in their right mind here should be mocking Fujifilm in the least bit, or belittling what this Mega, Giant, behemoth, Corporation, that won't be in the least bit affected by the sale results or failure of the GFX system.  I mean do I really need to remind anyone of how important they are to the photographic industry and their contribution: Broadcast - Cinema - Film [yes 135's and instant film till today] - Digital - Fabrication Facilities - Largest Lens manufacturer in the world period for every conceivable industry.

In reality and the real benchmark when it comes to GFX particular Sensor size and performance level would be the Pentax 645z (mirrorless aside).  A true trailblazer that deserves more respect than its been given.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Christopher on March 20, 2017, 06:07:37 pm
The only discerning difference you need to know is that:
X1D is 16bit  while the GFX is 14bit a difference of well.. [281-trillion] no.. not a typo.  Its what you pay premium dollars for. ..

As far as I know just not true. The 50MP sensor is ONLY 14bit no matter what Phase, Hassy or anyone else says. It's the same for the GFX.




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Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 20, 2017, 10:44:49 pm
Hi,

Below is a good example. It is clearly visible that each fourth channel has a signal. Some processing is done on the 14 bit signal, so the channels between are not empty.

Another data sampled from an IQ350 image shows clearly that the data is 14-bit wide, although Phase also talks about 16-bit colour.

The last attachment shows the same area from an PhaseOne IQ3100 MP file. Phase One uses a new 16-bit file format to hold the data from the IQ3100.

The two Phase One samples were shared by Digital Transitions.

Best regards
Erik
As far as I know just not true. The 50MP sensor is ONLY 14bit no matter what Phase, Hassy or anyone else says. It's the same for the GFX.




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Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on March 26, 2017, 02:51:56 pm
Well, after an almost 9-month wait, not to mention my excursion with the GFX system (that for my particular photography did not work out), thanks to recent blogs on the Diglloyd.com “Medium Format” section and posts on the Hasselblad X1D, I am ready to endure (with patience I hope) the problems the X1D seems to have, and have taken the plunge.

I got the last X1D from a recent batch at Adorama that sold out in 24 hours, and also the 90mm lens. I have the 30mm lens on order and will probably get the macro lens when it appears.

As they say in the movies, “I’ve got my head right, boss.” I will give the X1D a try and remind myself that this is not for the close-up, stacking work that I usually do, but for a new adventure that might even include people (heaven forbid) and certainly landscapes. So, where are we discussing the X1D these days, aside from this thread?   
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Christopher on March 26, 2017, 04:54:44 pm
Don't really know. As currently the GFX hype has taken over.

I looked at both two weeks ago in detail and the X1D has for me just way to many shortcomings. After shooting for it two days I knew I never would be happy with the current camera. (Even though I still love the form factor)

So I decided to get the GFX and I it's really fun to use. The files can't really get close to my Phase system, but are great and the camera, while being a little ugly handles very well. What I really love are the third party lens options. Some great stuff.

In regards to your last question. Just open a new topic. I think there should be enough people around having a X1D who want to talk about it.


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Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on March 26, 2017, 05:04:31 pm
Don't really know. As currently the GFX hype has taken over.

I looked at both two weeks ago in detail and the X1D has for me just way to many shortcomings. After shooting for it two days I knew I never would be happy with the current camera. (Even though I still love the form factor)

So I decided to get the GFX and I it's really fun to use. The files can't really get close to my Phase system, but are great and the camera, while being a little ugly handles very well. What I really love are the third party lens options. Some great stuff.

In regards to your last question. Just open a new topic. I think there should be enough people around having a X1D who want to talk about it.


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I probably will start another thread, but I will wait until I actually have some experience with the X1D. I am pretty schooled at this point with its weaknesses as it pertains for the kind of photography I do, so I will do my best not to complain, but just consider the quality of the image the X1D system can provide. I may end up rejecting it, but I have to see for myself.

With the GFX lenses that are available, I could not appreciate their quality, and I tried. And in my experience, with a lot of really fine Nikon-F format lenses, adapting them to the GFX showed me nothing better than my D810 does, and not even as good... of course, IMO. So its, "horses for courses." Onward!
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Christopher on March 26, 2017, 05:10:11 pm
Certainly true with some lenses, but the GFX plus Leica R 180 APO easily equals anything I could put in front of my old D810.

Most remarkable is how amazing these old lens designs actually are. Shame on some more modern ones.


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Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Quentin on March 27, 2017, 06:28:48 am
I do some LED lit studio food photography with the Fuji GFX, and also natural light botanical photography and those are areas where the 120mm image stabilised macro is brilliant.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9806585/March%202017/Coffee.jpg)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Paul2660 on March 27, 2017, 08:17:28 am
I do some LED lit studio food photography with the Fuji GFX, and also natural light botanical photography and those are areas where the 120mm image stabilised macro is brilliant.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9806585/March%202017/Coffee.jpg)

Nice Quentin,

As for the lenses, I can definitely appreciate them, as they appear to be as sharp as any of the P1 Schneider glass I have used.  The 120mm is an amazing optic as it can provide extremely sharp images and can be hand held due to the OIS.  Manually focusing is easy with the EVF due to the high resolution provided and the peaking.   I do wish that Fuji had given both the zoom and 120mm and 63mm manual MF clutches, as the GFX carries forward the same issues of focus by wire that the x series cameras have.  But determining Focus shift is possible as you can for sure hit the DOF preview button in M mode and then change the aperture on the lens, something that others appear not to be aware of.  If you try it in S mode the DOF will not stay stopped down thus you can't check for shift.  Focus shift, if there is any is nominal on the lenses I have.

Paul Caldwell
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hubell on March 27, 2017, 08:51:13 am
My experience with using MF in magnified live view with the GFX is not good, particularly in low light. While the specs of the EVF for the GFX are much better on paper than the EVF in the X1D, in practice I find that manually focusing in live view is much more effective with the X1D. It is considerably easier to hit the exact point where the lens is in focus. This was unexpected.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on March 27, 2017, 09:05:36 am
My experience with using MF in magnified live view with the GFX is not good, particularly in low light. While the specs of the EVF for the GFX are much better on paper than the EVF in the X1D, in practice I find that manually focusing in live view is much more effective with the X1D. It is considerably easier to hit the exact point where the lens is in focus. This was unexpected.

DITTO!
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Quentin on March 27, 2017, 09:31:57 am
I confess I am not the biggest fan of EVF in general.  The EVF on the Fuji GFX is OK, but not great.  The tilt adapter and tiltable screen are both great, however.  They have thought of what studio shooters want.  Well done Fuji.

And as Paul says, the 120mm macro is an amazing optic.                                 
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Paul2660 on March 27, 2017, 09:45:02 am
Be it not perfect. Magnified EVF or Liveview in the LCD beats optical if you have tired old eyes in any light for me.

Paul Caldwell
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: mdelrossi on March 27, 2017, 11:22:02 am
Seriously looking at the GFX.
Regarding the EVF, for studio work, Can you attach a video monitor to the camera and get a larger image to focus on?

@Quentin Nice work!
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: chrismuc on March 27, 2017, 11:28:25 am
The reason why I chose the GFX over the X1D - besides the facts that the GFX wins handsdown regarding the provided functions and the option to use third party lenses - was simply that I trust Fuji in their software capabilities and their service while in Hasselblad's I don't. Designing the GFX, Fuji could build on their profound experience in developing and producing consumer mirrorless X cameras (from medium to high end/ semi-professional). Fuji is able to manufacture them in high quantities with an absence of crucial firmware bugs from day one of market release and they are renowned for their policy of constant firmware updates (with the intention both removing bugs and adding functions). Hasselblad on the other hand produces since a decade the H cameras which have the reputation to be soso reliable and hardly ever to work completely stable. Also their service is reported to be expensive and not very responsive. The dealer in Munich where I bought the GFX told me that is was quite impossible to use the X1D camera and to recommend clients to buy the X1D when it was released because it was so buggy. Such thing just won't happen with a Fuji product.

(My PhaseOne IQ180 that I bought in 2012 also only workes bugfree (no system cracks, connection losses, touchscreen unresponsiveness) since the latest firmware update in 2014 or 2015. Leica S and SL seems the same story with firmware issues if one follows their forum. My impression is that these companies invest too little qualified manpower in software development and testing before releasing products. Btw. in contrary the Alpa FPS worked flawlessly since the first firmware and the same after the last update.)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Quentin on March 27, 2017, 11:34:18 am
and here is a botanical example shot handheld that the GFX and 120mm stabilised macro is good for:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9806585/March%202017/_DSF0465.jpg)

Thanks for the kind comments...as for the use of a monitor, I shoot tethered into Lightroom with Fuji tethered Plugin Pro, not sure othwerwise, but probably...
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Paul2660 on March 27, 2017, 12:02:21 pm
For my use, it's a bit tragic Fuji and P1 could not have come to an agreement on support, as C1 IMO has the best tethering solution since you can use session mode.

As I understand it with Fuji you either use:

1. X-acquire, which just puts the images in a folder on the PC, you then could import into LR as needed
2. Tether Shooting Plug-in PRO, which puts the image directly into your LR catalog. 

For my use, I don't want all the image in the catalog as I only use tethering for fine checking of focus, shadows etc. which in C1 is so easy.  I don't use C1 in catalog mode as I still prefer sessions.

Paul Caldwell
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hcubell on March 27, 2017, 12:22:54 pm
Designing the GFX, Fuji could build on their profound experience in developing and producing consumer mirrorless X cameras (from medium to high end/ semi-professional).

Therein lies a big part of what I really don't like about the GFX so far. It feels just like a consumer level mirrorless camera in which Fuji dropped a larger sensor. It is bloated with "feature" overload that, for me, just gets in the way of my experience shooting the camera. It's essentially designed to be an XT-2 on steroids, which explains why those who have used Fuji X series cameras think the menu system and ergonomics of the GFX are great.
Everybody is different in terms of what their needs are and how they prioritize the pluses and minuses of a camera system. Some want a gazillion options and the ability to adapt every lens ever made. Others want as few "features" as possible (just the ones they actually need) and a dedicated set of superb lenses that match the form factor of the camera body. Nice that we have a choice.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on March 27, 2017, 12:32:48 pm
Nice that we have a choice.

That's funny! Yes, we have a choice, but not one that suits all. It's pot luck that I will get what I want.  I like the GFX better on paper than in reality. After the GFX, it looks (to me) like the X1D will suit my work because I don't care about AF, and there are problems with it, big time, according to what I read. I have to bite the bullet and be patient with the cumbersome functioning of some parts of the X1D, and focus on what it can do for me, like: highly refined highlights (see Diglloyd's most recent blog, and not-very-contrast colors, etc. I am looking for refinement, not saturation..... this week, at any rate. :)
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Quentin on March 27, 2017, 02:52:46 pm
It's a little unfair to criticise Fuji for building in too many features.  I use those I need and ignore those I don't.  I use the aperture ring - yes, I can actually set the aperture on the lens!  Now THAT is practical simplicity I really appreciate.

The reality is this.  The X1D and the GFX were designed to address two entirely different groups of users, but that reality has been lost because both cameras use the same sensor.  Same sensor does not equal same camera.

The X1D is a modern take on the Mamiya 7.  Minimalist, fabulous quality, simple to use.  I loved my Mamiya 7.  That's what Hasselblad had to make otherwise the would be competing with their H6D line, and they have done very well.

Fuji had no such constraints.  This was their opportunity to enter the medium format space.  The GFX is a medium format work tool, also fab quality, but geared to a user base who want / will use accessories like the angle finder in studios, on location, etc.  Don't compare them, because you are comparing apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 27, 2017, 03:33:22 pm
Hi Quentin,

Well said, you write like a lawyer…

Having 'classic controls is nice', especially if shooting with gloves like in winter.

Features are good, unless they get in the way of shooting or give up functionality.

Best regards
Erik

It's a little unfair to criticise Fuji for building in too many features.  I use those I need and ignore those I don't.  I use the aperture ring - yes, I can actually set the aperture on the lens!  Now THAT is practical simplicity I really appreciate.

The reality is this.  The X1D and the GFX were designed to address two entirely different groups of users, but that reality has been lost because both cameras use the same sensor.  Same sensor does not equal same camera.

The X1D is a modern take on the Mamiya 7.  Minimalist, fabulous quality, simple to use.  I loved my Mamiya 7.  That's what Hasselblad had to make otherwise the would be competing with their H6D line, and the have done very well.

Fuji had no such constraints.  This was their opportunity to enter the medium format space.  The GFX is a medium format work tool, also fab quality, but geared to a user base who want / will use accessories like the angle finder in studios, on location, etc.  Don't compare them, because you are comparing apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hcubell on March 27, 2017, 04:47:13 pm
It's a little unfair to criticise Fuji for building in too many features.  I use those I need and ignore those I don't.  I use the aperture ring - yes, I can actually set the aperture on the lens!  Now THAT is practical simplicity I really appreciate.

The reality is this.  The X1D and the GFX were designed to address two entirely different groups of users, but that reality has been lost because both cameras use the same sensor.  Same sensor does not equal same camera.

The X1D is a modern take on the Mamiya 7.  Minimalist, fabulous quality, simple to use.  I loved my Mamiya 7.  That's what Hasselblad had to make otherwise the would be competing with their H6D line, and they have done very well.

Fuji had no such constraints.  This was their opportunity to enter the medium format space.  The GFX is a medium format work tool, also fab quality, but geared to a user base who want / will use accessories like the angle finder in studios, on location, etc.  Don't compare them, because you are comparing apples and oranges.

Quentin, I agree that the comparison of the GFX and the X1D makes little sense on one level in that the GFX was designed to be a very versatile camera system with lots of capabilities, while  the X1D is like a savant. It doesn't do a lot of things, but what it does do, it does superbly. However, my sense is  that an awful lot of the potential buyers of the GFX will never take advantage of its versatility and they will use it to do the same limited set of things that the X1D does so well. For them, the comparison becomes appropriate.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Michael Erlewine on March 27, 2017, 05:00:08 pm
Quentin, I agree that the comparison of the GFX and the X1D makes little sense on one level in that the GFX was designed to be a very versatile camera system with lots of capabilities, while  the X1D is like a savant. It doesn't do a lot of things, but what it does do, it does superbly. However, my sense is  that an awful lot of the potential buyers of the GFX will never take advantage of its versatility and they will use it to do the same limited set of things that the X1D does so well. For them, the comparison becomes appropriate.

My sentiments almost exactly. I am not using the X1D to do what my D810 or technical cameras do, but as a freeing agent to try and shoot other things than close-ups. The GFX, for me, was an extension of the D810, but not as elegant (IMO) as the Nikon. Then again, I may not like the X1D. We will see. It arrives tomorrow. I certainly love the haptics of the X1D.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: Quentin on March 27, 2017, 05:24:12 pm
Quentin, I agree that the comparison of the GFX and the X1D makes little sense on one level in that the GFX was designed to be a very versatile camera system with lots of capabilities, while  the X1D is like a savant. It doesn't do a lot of things, but what it does do, it does superbly. However, my sense is  that an awful lot of the potential buyers of the GFX will never take advantage of its versatility and they will use it to do the same limited set of things that the X1D does so well. For them, the comparison becomes appropriate.

What you are saying, Howard, is that an awful lot of buyers are buying the wrong camera for them.  That's not Fuji's fault or a weakness with the camera; it's the buyers' fault for not being more discerning.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: ErikKaffehr on March 29, 2017, 12:30:47 am
Hi Quentin,

My guess is that is up to the customers to decide what their perceived needs happen to be.

Best regards
Erik


What you are saying, Howard, is that an awful lot of buyers are buying the wrong camera for them.  That's not Fuji's fault or a weakness with the camera; it's the buyers' fault for not being more discerning.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hubell on March 29, 2017, 07:32:10 am
What you are saying, Howard, is that an awful lot of buyers are buying the wrong camera for them.  That's not Fuji's fault or a weakness with the camera; it's the buyers' fault for not being more discerning.

You missed my point. I was responding to your statement that a comparison between the two cameras is misplaced, apples to oranges, because they are designed to serve completely different roles, with the Fuji GFX being a full featured, versatile camera system that offers the ability to adapt third party lenses, tilting EVF adapters, the ability to use a tech camera with it, etc. For a photographer who has no need for all of that versatility and just wants/needs what the X1D does well, a comparative evaluation IS appropriate. I believe there are many photographers who fall into that category who will accurately perceive (NOT misperceive) their needs as being more limited, and they SHOULD compare. There are many, many photographers who own cameras like Nikon D810s who use hardly any of the features and capabilities that it offers, yet they buy them for the image quality produced by the sensor/imaging pipeline and the lenses. I think that makes perfect sense. I think that the GFX will be the same.
Title: Re: Hasselblad X1D vs Fujifilm GFX 50S
Post by: hubell on March 29, 2017, 07:39:39 am
Hi Quentin,

My guess is that is up to the customers to decide what their perceived needs happen to be.

Best regards
Erik

Of course that's true, but it's funny coming from you, of all people.