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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Greg D on December 01, 2016, 03:49:17 pm
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I'm still using Lightroom 5 (haven't done the CC thing), and was about to update to LR6, but then wondered if LR7 might be on the way. Anybody got any ideas? Will there be a Lightroom 7 other than CC, and if so, is it coming due soon?
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Really hard to know. In the past, prior to the CC PS/LR bundle, Adobe would produce a major release of LR every 15-24 months or so. We saw:
- LR1 - 1/07
- LR2 - 7/08
- LR3 - 6/10
- LR4 - 3/12
- LR5 - 6/13
- LR6 - 4/15
On that schedule, we're due a new major release. But in the past, major releases were to generate revenue. Existing users paid only for the upgrade.
Now with CC customers, they don't need major upgrades to generate revenue, and they can dribble out updates and new features whenever they please, and release a major upgrade only when they want a bit of marketing fizz, largely unconnected with features (except for a cosmetic uplift and a new start-up screen).
However, they want to get money out of existing non-CC customers, so need periodic major releases.
That's if they continue a stand-alone product. Previous promises have been along the lines of "we have no plans to discontinue the stand-alone product". Will they suddenly create plans to discontinue it?
That's a long-winded way of saying "I haven't a clue."
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Anybody got any ideas?
You are asking an unanswerable question...anybody who knows can't say...anybody who says can't know. If they knew anything real, it would be covered by an NDA–which Adobe and those who sign NDA's take seriously.
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Jeff - the OP didn't ask if anybody 'knew', he asked if anyone had any 'ideas', to which I'd guess that judging by the speed of your reply the answer would be 'sooner rather than later' ... 8)
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I'll be happy to make up yet another rumor, based on no knowledge whatever.
But the value of any such rumor would be entertainment, at best.
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I'd expect it to come out early next year - the competition has been heating up as C1 just had a new fresh release and some smaller ones are getting better too.
Even just to stay on the picture there is a need for something new.
All of that is just a guess though.
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Thanks for all the thoughts. :)
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.... which I'd guess that judging by the speed of your reply the answer would be 'sooner rather than later' ... 8)
Not very good at reading tea leaves, huh?
I answer questions like this fast so people don't waste their time speculating-which is all anybody can do at this point.
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I hope it does wonders in speed, as I already have ditched it since it is unusable with 40 to 50mpixel files.
I am now using Photoshop ACR with ACRDsee and On1, with much faster results, but if I need perfection I can use C1.
Its sad that the image leading software that I really relied on has let me and others down.
Adobe used to be a great company, and over the years...well you don't need me to get into it.
But LR& is much needed, and the ONLY upgrade needed is mass speed!
Maybe they need to make a LRLite like I had suggested years ago here...but all this bloat of some useful yet not by all or the core users is just slowing things down.
I have a large database and in another post started to try and speed things up, but so far it looks like maybe size of Cat and the file size themselves.
DXO Raw maybe another I think I should try. Cataloging was pretty nice in LR, but I can easily use folders.
I would highly recommed people use a OS based cataloging system even with LR in use, as you never know what the future holds. For me it sure isnt relying on a company that forced its users to move towards the clouds. I don't need anyone forcing their hand on my images.
From a Aldus user to today's latest and greatest desktop version......The love/hate relationship is still ongoing.
As for LR, I am hoping it to make a comeback with a more Catalog and Dev with powerful export features, but not much of the other fluff.
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I hope it does wonders in speed, as I already have ditched it since it is unusable with 40 to 50mpixel files.
With 36Mpixel files I find it usable (with a fast processor) but LR could certainly benefit from being faster.
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I would highly recommed people use a OS based cataloging system even with LR in use, as you never know what the future holds. For me it sure isnt relying on a company that forced its users to move towards the clouds. I don't need anyone forcing their hand on my images.
It's a good idea to keep images in a logical folder structure whether or not one uses Lightroom, and I'm sure most people do that.
However, I don't think Adobe is forcing its users towards the clouds. I dare say some marketing person in Adobe thought up the name "Creative Cloud" as cloud is all the rage and sounds sexy to marketing people, but it has virtually nothing to do with Adobe CC. Yes, there's a cloud capability for hosting images, but LR catalog and images must always be stored locally for LR to work.
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My sense is Adobe is doing a full rewrite of LR using more Open Source code. Much has changed in 10 years that would make a SW rewrite necessary and a two year dev cycle to do this is not unreasonable. I recall a couple years ago that Eric Chan was moved over to help increase the speed of LR which makes me think this is a priority. I fully expect that we'll see improved performance once it's released.
I've noticed a material time delay in bringing new camera support into LR this past year. This suggests to me that engineering resources have been diverted elsewhere. One can only hope it's refocusing on a modern platform.
Show us your roadmap Adobe!
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One theme of Lightroom 6 dot releases is in fact a series of features aimed at performance. If you want to see what I mean, go through the Lightroom Journal's dot release announcements and see how many refer to performance in version 6 compared to previous versions. The obvious ones which come to mind are GPU support and the preference for using smart previews.
I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever of slower support for new raw formats. Nor do I have any sense of any move away from Lua or of some full rewrite.
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The obvious ones which come to mind are GPU support
Which made no significant difference, in fact slowed some operations down.
Let's hope Serif see a market for a LR alike package.
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Which made no significant difference, in fact slowed some operations down.
Sure, for some people (me too on one computer) it slowed some operations down, for others not. With an app like Lightroom, no single bit of performance tuning is going to have an across-the-board effect, and my point was that GPU acceleration was just one example from a series of performance-oriented changes that have been implemented over the last 18 months.
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I've noticed a material time delay in bringing new camera support into LR this past year.
Some reading for you Adam. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2116114 This data was not prepared by Adobe.
Note that the movement of a single camera from from one column to another is enough to move the statistics by a percentage point within the error of rounding.
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and my point was that GPU acceleration was just one example from a series of performance-oriented changes that have been implemented over the last 18 months.
and my point is that it didn't work.
At best there's some very minor improvements in some parts of LR, but that seems to be accompanied by slow downs elsewhere. Net result no gain.
I can't recall anyone here going 'wow, what an improvement' with GPU acceleration, mostly the opposite.
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As a rule, people never acknowledge improvements, and I suspect GPU acceleration's main impact is on preventing deterioration of performance on bigger hi-res monitors.
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As a rule, people never acknowledge improvements,
I don't think that's fair comment. When something significant arrives it gets plenty of people praising it (check out the appreciation for Capture One's new sharpening options, or how good Serif's Affinity suite is or Photoline as examples).
If GPU acceleration was working as it should, at least people complaining of poor performance would be asked to check if it was on by their helpful peers. The opposite happens here.
It's been a dead loss.
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It's perfectly fair. It's just what have the Romans ever done for us?
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It's perfectly fair. It's just what have the Romans ever done for us?
Agreed, when we see something working we point it out here, and John, you have been here long enough to know that.
I literealy came to a halt!
I just cant have 5 to 10TB of files on a SSD. I have it on INTEL servers. they are min 50 to 80MB sec transfer sustained.
My Ram is the top speed 32GB. My 6 core processor is at 3.6Ghz. My Win10 64bit OS is on Crucial SSD. My Phtoshop Scratch is on another SSD. My Graphic card is a 4GB 970+. I don't even use 4K screens, two 30", but I dare use dual screen...just one screen!!
What else can I throw at it???!!
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What else can I throw at it???!!
More Patience. ;
:-p
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My sense is Adobe is doing a full rewrite of LR using more Open Source code. ...
Perhaps.
I don't see them using Open source code much for the image processing pipeline.
That is, after all, their "core" competence, and who would be better than them at doing the mapping "what we want to do functionally" -> "what can the hardware do for us"?
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My sense is Adobe is doing a full rewrite of LR using more Open Source code.
This is typical of the mindless speculation that occurs when people who have no clue as to what is actually happening starts wild guesses. Spread this kind speculation around and you end up with a lot of people with really hairbrained ideas about what Adobe is or isn't doing.
I suspect there's a reason why it's taking a bit longer to add the new IQ3 100 backs. I don't know why it's taking so long...but I couldn't tell if I did. However, it's foolish to speculate because that will do nothing to help people who are waiting for support for that back.
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My sense is Adobe is doing a full rewrite of LR using more Open Source code.
LOL. I'm sure they're inspired by DarkTable. No, seriously, LOL.
Much has changed in 10 years that would make a SW rewrite necessary and a two year dev cycle to do this is not unreasonable. I recall a couple years ago that Eric Chan was moved over to help increase the speed of LR which makes me think this is a priority. I fully expect that we'll see improved performance once it's released.
I've noticed a material time delay in bringing new camera support into LR this past year. This suggests to me that engineering resources have been diverted elsewhere. One can only hope it's refocusing on a modern platform.
Show us your roadmap Adobe!
LOL
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My bet is that we will see Lr7 at the same time as LR CC 2017.
Note that Adobe have gone through and updated a bunch of apps to "CC 2017" but Lr is not among them.
At the same time, I don't get the point of "CC 2017" vs "CC 2015". I thought there was only supposed to be "One CC". The need for a "CC 2017" must be due to to something that the smart boys at Adobe understand better than I.
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My bet is that we will see Lr7 at the same time as LR CC 2017.
Presumably LR7 will be LR CC 2017, so yes one would expect them at the same time!
At the same time, I don't get the point of "CC 2017" vs "CC 2015". I thought there was only supposed to be "One CC". The need for a "CC 2017" must be due to to something that the smart boys at Adobe understand better than I.
When they launched CC, that was a big selling point: only one future version, and you always get the latest version with your subscription. However, marketing guys like new releases that they can shout about, so from time to time they give it a slightly new look and feel, and change the launch splash screen image, and give it a new name. Otherwise people ignore the incremental changes, and say "Oh, you haven't changed it since 2013 when you launched CC."
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This is typical of the mindless speculation that occurs when people who have no clue as to what is actually happening starts wild guesses. Spread this kind speculation around and you end up with a lot of people with really hairbrained ideas about what Adobe is or isn't doing.
I suspect there's a reason why it's taking a bit longer to add the new IQ3 100 backs. I don't know why it's taking so long...but I couldn't tell if I did. However, it's foolish to speculate because that will do nothing to help people who are waiting for support for that back.
Apologies for the delayed ACR/Lightroom support for the IQ3 100. Adobe is waiting for additional documentation on the proprietary format from Phase One before we can support the format.
Regards,
Tom Hogarty
Adobe Systems
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Apologies for the delayed ACR/Lightroom support for the IQ3 100. Adobe is waiting for additional documentation on the proprietary format from Phase One before we can support the format.
Regards,
Tom Hogarty
Adobe Systems
We appreciate the feedback. Most of us have assumed this was the situation. The concern is whether Phase is just slow, or has decided not to help at all to prevent Lr from supporting the new back.
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Apologies for the delayed ACR/Lightroom support for the IQ3 100. Adobe is waiting for additional documentation on the proprietary format from Phase One before we can support the format.
Regards,
Tom Hogarty
Adobe Systems
Welcome to LL Tom! Love to see you here as a regular.
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Welcome to LL Tom! Love to see you here as a regular.
I join in that welcome. And I think we ought be nominate him for some sort of medal for heroism. The discussions in here can get rather...involved...at times.
Tom Frerichs
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I join in that welcome. And I think we ought be nominate him for some sort of medal for heroism. The discussions in here can get rather...involved...at times.
Tom Frerichs
I agree. We need to treat Tom with TLC.
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We need to treat Tom with TLC.
Actually, you don't. I know Tom...he's a big boy and can handle himself just fine as long as people treat him with civility and respect. It should be noted I know of at least 6 industry people who have tried to have a presence here on LuLa only to be driven away with disrespect and beligerant behavior.
So, it would be useful to keep it civil with Tom. He can be a useful source of information because he's in a position to answer direct questions–when he can...
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Actually, you don't. I know Tom...he's a big boy and can handle himself just fine as long as people treat him with civility and respect. It should be noted I know of at least 6 industry people who have tried to have a presence here on LuLa only to be driven away with disrespect and beligerant behavior.
So, it would be useful to keep it civil with Tom. He can be a useful source of information because he's in a position to answer direct questions–when he can...
...such as:
- When will v7 be released?; and
- Will there be a standalone v7?
;)
Right...NDA!
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Actually, you don't. I know Tom...he's a big boy and can handle himself just fine as long as people treat him with civility and respect.
hehe.. On LL??? :o
It should be noted I know of at least 6 industry people who have tried to have a presence here on LuLa only to be driven away with disrespect and beligerant behavior.
Yes, I can definitely see that happening.. I'm surprised that you, Jeff, still show up from time to time as well. Although I may not have been here often/long enough to see if anyone got that way with you too, or not.
I've known LL to be kind of like the Wild Wild West. 8)
Certainly nice, and surprising, to see you here though, Tom!
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Thanks for the welcome notes. As Jeff mentioned you don't need to pull any punches with me. Also, I'm a relatively infrequent visitor to these forums so if you see a thread that needs my attention feel free to ping me directly: thogarty at adobe dot com
Regards,
Tom
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Is it safe to assume that when that when ACR goes to version 10, LR will go to version 7 and that this will be CC 2017 for LR?
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Is it safe to assume
It's not safe to assume anything...
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It's not safe to assume anything...
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I wouldn't hold my breath on LR7. LR CC is here and I do not see any new individual licenses. Adobe seems happy with the subscription based model. Next release of Lightroom will be; Lightroom CC 2017 (not LR7). That's my 2 cents.
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I wouldn't hold my breath on LR7. LR CC is here and I do not see any new individual licenses. Adobe seems happy with the subscription based model. Next release of Lightroom will be; Lightroom CC 2017 (not LR7). That's my 2 cents.
I am betting on the option that Lightroom 7 will be available as a standalone version of LR CC 2017 as is presently available on LR CC 2015 / LR 6.x.
If not then I will have to seek other alternatives since there is no option for me to purchase the Adobe Photographers package from my location in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago.
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If not then I will have to seek other alternatives since there is no option for me to purchase the Adobe Photographers package from my location in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago.
Due to the presence of cryptography (i.e. SSL for https) in Lightroom, you are forbidden from downloading Lightroom (and other Adobe apps) from embargoed countries. Yes, that's right, the US government's embargoes forbid Adobe from allowing people from countries such as Crimea Region of Ukraine, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria from downloading applications to work on images with. Feel lucky that you can at least download it.
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I hope LR7 remains stand alone, and corrects the speed issues. (6.8 and still having issues)
Due to the speed I have already started using alternate Dev/DAM software, and the more I get used to them the less I will rely on LR. I love LR, and have always responded positively. Just cant be patient with work loads.
Besides a CC option is not an option. That's a simple cut off for some folks like myself.
I have purchased(and recently updated):
C1
ACDSee Ultimate
OnOne
DxOptics
RawTherapee
Out of these, I like C1, and ACDSee, while OnOne looks promising.....
My reasons are for speed workflow and batch output processing options for work use.
*I have tried Corel Raw, but just didn't have the basic functions ironed out when they released.
(Not sure now). Corel I am ready to use Painter and Paint for replacing Adobe, as I will hold onto the latest stand alone version.
'Til death do us part.
CC=death
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Just give us bigger file support...... oh and some speed....
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Would love to have all my images on my NAS accessible in Lightroom. Adobe is network shy. :-\
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Would love to have all my images on my NAS accessible in Lightroom. Adobe is network shy. :-\
Photos on the NAS can be managed in Lightroom. What can't go on the NAS is the catalogue itself.
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I am betting on the option that Lightroom 7 will be available as a standalone version of LR CC 2017 as is presently available on LR CC 2015 / LR 6.x.
If not then I will have to seek other alternatives since there is no option for me to purchase the Adobe Photographers package from my location in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago.
Why would you need to drop LR6 and purchase something else...just keep using LR6.
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Photos on the NAS can be managed in Lightroom. What can't go on the NAS is the catalogue itself.
You can put the catalogue on a NAS BUT the only way to put the catalogue on a NAS is by using iSCSI (I do this.) BUT... BUT... unless you want corrupted libraries, you have to be extraordinarily careful in how you use iSCSI - essentially you can only run one instance of Lr at a time using the iSCSI data.
Swapping computers to use Lr from is something like this:
- Computer 1: Quit Lr
- Computer 1: unmount catalogue volume
- Computer 1: disconnect iSCSI NAS (prevents random automount)
- Computer 2: connect iSCSI NAS
- Comptuer 2: mount catalogue volume
- Computer 2: Run Lr
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You can put the catalogue on a NAS BUT the only way to put the catalogue on a NAS is by using iSCSI (I do this.) BUT... BUT... unless you want corrupted libraries, you have to be extraordinarily careful in how you use iSCSI - essentially you can only run one instance of Lr at a time using the iSCSI data.
I am running two PCs hooked up to a common NAS that stores raw files and lrcat.
On program start, I have a script that copies the lrcat file from NAS to the local drive. I then do my thing. On program exit, I have setup Lightroom to backup to the NAS file.
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