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Title: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on October 28, 2016, 10:26:16 AM
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https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/professional-large-format-printers/professional-photo-fine-art/ipf8400?tab=drivers#Z7_MQH8HIC0L88RB0AMD0F1Q42K25

Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Rob Reiter on October 28, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
Does the old print plug-in module work with this driver? No new version of it has been released.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on October 29, 2016, 05:44:28 AM
This is just an update driver. To work properly with the Sierra. Other plug-ins and softwre function normally.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 05, 2016, 06:41:41 AM
The 4.50 driver causes the AppColorMatchingInfo.xml file to no longer enable No color correction as well as not being able to select Fast Graphic Process at least on 10.11.6. I found that with Application Manages Color selected in apps that default to Colorsync, Color Mode defaults to Color instead of No color correction.

Deleting 4.50 and installing 4.10 corrected this problem. Has anybody tested this on 10.12. Does it work properly on does Color Mode default to Color.


Also I have updated the AppColorMatchingInfo.xml file to include Photoshop CC 2017.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 05, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
Today I discovered this problem, I clone El Capitan and Driver 4.40.

I returned everything, I do not know how to solve it ....

See the photo, below right, the green completely out ...
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 05, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
Today I discovered this problem, I clone El Capitan and Driver 4.40.

I returned everything, I do not know how to solve it ....

See the photo, below right, the green completely out ...

I need a little more information as I want to report this to Canon.

Are you saying that the 4.40 version exhibits the same problem as I explained about the 4.50 version?

By "I returned everything" are you now back to the 4.10 version.

Anybody running Sierra? Does the 4.50 version work correctly in Sierra?

Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 05, 2016, 07:55:24 PM
Doyle,

Sorry for my English.

El Captain and 4:40 is work fine.

The problem is in version 4.50 and Sierra.

I got to format my computer, installed only Sierra + LR + 4.5, and the problem continues ...

I believe that Canon this very muddled version with Sierra, it's been more than 30 days and released this version 4.5 with problems.

Sds.

Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 07, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
I had a very interesting discussion with a Canon tech this morning. Claims that Apple made them change the 4.50 driver.

What he proposes with the 4.50 driver is this.

With PS choose Printer manages color then go to setting, Under Color matching choose Vendor Matching then in Main/Color Mode choose No color correction and ok that. Then choose Photoshop manages color and choose your output profile and print.

With LR choose Printer manages color then go to Printer Setting, Under Color matching choose Vendor Matching then in Main/Color Mode choose No color correction and ok that. Then choose Lightroom manages color and choose your output profile and print.

Anyone with the 4.50 driver loaded please test this, as I don't see this working because I would think as soon as the you go back and choose application manages color it will default to colorsync.

I don't want to load the 4.50 driver just to test this based on what I have already done that I explained in previous posts.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 08, 2016, 08:41:46 PM
Hello, Doyle.

Thank you very much for your information and clarify with Canon.

Actually following this procedure everything works correctly in the LR.

Maybe Adobe has to make some adjustments to work the profile directly on the panel.

But now this solves my problem and I can use the Sierra.

Thank you,
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 09, 2016, 07:26:08 AM
Great. Thanks for testing this.

Now I wonder about the non Adobe applications such as ImageNest, Colorburst Overdrive, i1Profiler, etc. that depend on the listing in the AppColorMatchingInfo.xml file.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: vjbelle on November 15, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
What a nightmare!!  Thanks for all of your efforts, Doyle.  This more than encourages me to stay with my current workflow which is to use Windows for all serious Editing and Printing.  I have and use both platforms but, for years now, have stayed with Windows for all printing..... editing on a Mac for me has no issues.  I hope the Mac users appreciate your posts..... I ran accross your post in color management (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=101556.0) regarding this issue.

Victor
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: William Walker on November 20, 2016, 03:55:30 AM
I had a very interesting discussion with a Canon tech this morning. Claims that Apple made them change the 4.50 driver.

What he proposes with the 4.50 driver is this.

With PS choose Printer manages color then go to setting, Under Color matching choose Vendor Matching then in Main/Color Mode choose No color correction and ok that. Then choose Photoshop manages color and choose your output profile and print.

With LR choose Printer manages color then go to Printer Setting, Under Color matching choose Vendor Matching then in Main/Color Mode choose No color correction and ok that. Then choose Lightroom manages color and choose your output profile and print.

Anyone with the 4.50 driver loaded please test this, as I don't see this working because I would think as soon as the you go back and choose application manages color it will default to colorsync.

I don't want to load the 4.50 driver just to test this based on what I have already done that I explained in previous posts.

I tried this and it worked like a charm! Then I tried it again the next day, twice - in case I did something wrong the first time... and it did not work (mushy colours).

I thought I would check it once more before I posted this and..it worked properly again! (Make a small proof first.)

In the imagePrograf Advanced Preview you can do a final check at the top right-hand corner to ensure color is still off.

I now print through the iPF8400 Print Plug-In in Photoshop with no "colour" problems, although Lightroom would be far more convenient, especially with multiple images.

Anyway, work-arounds are bullshit and I find it very sad that these massive companies don't give a damn about their customers. History shows us that they will all fail in the end.... and I won't shed a single tear.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: William Walker on November 22, 2016, 05:02:27 AM
After some further testing I will not be printing through Lightroom while this situation persists.

Please don't get too pedantic about the colours matching perfectly in the following illustrations - they are merely to give you an idea of what I have found.

Image One is a screenshot and - for these purposes - the colours I am looking for.
Image Two is printed through Lightroom using the "Doyle/Canon Tech" method. (iPhone pic.)
Image Three is printed out of the Canon iPF8400 Print-Plug-in. (iPhone pic.)

In real-life the Print Plug-in print is accurate.You get an idea in these pictures of the greens in particular.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 24, 2016, 05:09:57 PM
I would like to understand Canon.
Look at the IPF8400 FW, it came out on 10/28 the date it had on the site.
Today I went to look and it appears another date 11/21, only that is the same version ...

Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 25, 2016, 01:15:18 PM
I tried this and it worked like a charm! Then I tried it again the next day, twice - in case I did something wrong the first time... and it did not work (mushy colours).

I thought I would check it once more before I posted this and..it worked properly again! (Make a small proof first.)

In the imagePrograf Advanced Preview you can do a final check at the top right-hand corner to ensure color is still off.

I now print through the iPF8400 Print Plug-In in Photoshop with no "colour" problems, although Lightroom would be far more convenient, especially with multiple images.

Anyway, work-arounds are bullshit and I find it very sad that these massive companies don't give a damn about their customers. History shows us that they will all fail in the end.... and I won't shed a single tear.

Your printer dialog shows that you have Lightroom set for Printer Manages Color, which would be your first step before going back to Lightroom. However having Fast Graphic Process selected could be causing a problem. And as I said I can't see how you can be sure that the 4.50 driver is not defaulting to managing color once you go back to Lightroom and set it to manage color if you make one little mistake in the order that Canon suggests.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 25, 2016, 07:55:38 PM
This settings LR :





Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 26, 2016, 06:29:50 AM
This settings LR :

No. The instruction were to choose Vendor Matching.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 26, 2016, 08:43:15 AM
For me this works perfectly. Did you test?
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 28, 2016, 03:10:25 PM
For me this works perfectly. Did you test?

That would work that way except you have no control over the Rendering Intent or BPC. There is also an issue of the assumed (assigned) profile coming from Lightroom if the driver recognizes it so that it can convert to the output profile correctly. That used to be a issue with choosing Printer Manages Color for applications that sent something other that sRGB.

And no I have not tested it since I didn't want to update to 4.50 again. I was thinking of editing out the Lightroom line in AppColorMatchingInfo.xml so the driver would default to color when the Lightroom is set to manage color printing. I was thinking that then I could try and test the way the Canon tech explained it to me.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 29, 2016, 05:18:38 AM
Good morning, Doyle,

I do not know if I understand your explanations correctly.

But the screens I put in, do exactly the same thing that was suggested by Canon.

Or am I wrong?

Thanks

Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on November 30, 2016, 06:49:09 PM
Good morning, Doyle,

I do not know if I understand your explanations correctly.

But the screens I put in, do exactly the same thing that was suggested by Canon.

Or am I wrong?

Thanks

Yes you are wrong. The instruction were to choose Vendor Matching. The output profile needs to be set in Lightroom.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on November 30, 2016, 07:44:53 PM
Yes that would be normal, I always did so.

It just does not work, this way I showed it works perfectly.

Thansk
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on December 01, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Yes that would be normal, I always did so.

It just does not work, this way I showed it works perfectly.

Thansk

That is what I would have expected. I don't see how you can choose to have Lightroom manage color and not have the driver default to Colorsync. Driver version 4.40 reads the AppColorMatchingInfo.xml file that lists LR and turns color management off for the driver. Driver version 4.50 does not read the AppColorMatchingInfo.xml file and turns color management on for the driver.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on December 01, 2016, 12:52:11 PM
I again called Canon and reported this. A very reasonable tech this time who was willing to listen and report this to engineering.

Hopefully Canon already knows about this bug and will get it fixed soon.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Doyle Yoder on December 23, 2016, 08:05:04 AM
Good New!

I am hearing that Canon has identified the problem and a fix will be released shortly.
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on December 23, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
Great !  Doyle. Thanks !!!!

Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: picman on February 21, 2017, 10:46:28 AM
4.6 version is out. One of the fixes - - "Failure in color correcting function was modified."

- Failure in color correcting function was modified.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/professional-large-format-printers/professional-photo-fine-art/ipf8400
Title: Re: Canon - New Drivers MAC OS Sierra - 4.5
Post by: Abdo on March 17, 2017, 09:41:07 PM
This is curious because Canon has upgraded to 8400.

But in the new 4000 the driver remains the same, and the problem of choosing the profile directly in the LR does not work correctly.