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The Art of Photography => Discussing Photographic Styles => Topic started by: Rob C on September 01, 2016, 05:39:42 AM

Title: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2016, 05:39:42 AM
This guy sure has it:

http://www.stuartredler.com/people/

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Mike D. B. on September 01, 2016, 06:22:29 AM
Absolutely!!
Thanks for the link, Rob!
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2016, 06:51:42 AM
Absolutely!!
Thanks for the link, Rob!

My pleasure, Mike.

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: RSL on September 01, 2016, 08:04:27 AM
Wow!!!!
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2016, 09:11:49 AM
Wow!!!!


Yeah, it's quite something else when it just jumps off the page at one, sans words or anything else! I even see shades of Munkácsi in there.

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: FranciscoDisilvestro on September 01, 2016, 09:43:28 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: RSL on September 01, 2016, 03:46:37 PM

Yeah, it's quite something else when it just jumps off the page at one, sans words or anything else! I even see shades of Munkácsi in there.

Rob

That's exactly what struck me, Rob. When I saw the picture of the kids in the water my head jumped to the Munkácsi of the kids in the water that Cartier-Bresson quoted as an early awakening to what he could do with photography. This one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/38/f0/26/38f0264afd396e335340edd275e4330b.jpg
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 01, 2016, 04:16:32 PM
Another guy with bags of syle is Albert.

This little video may both please and frustrate. But he does get to talk some really good stuff - as he would. When he gerts a word in edgeways, that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKcqEBw-l1U

;-)

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Mike D. B. on September 02, 2016, 12:13:42 AM
Thanks for that link of Albert, Rob.  I'd seen the interview before and mostly enjoyed it, though I understand what you made reference to.
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Arthur Elgort: Christy Turlington - possibly the most beautiful face in the world.

http://www.arthurelgort.com/the-big-picture/tods4tv73jd8wm2vzy9ocpn3nm0om7

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 04, 2016, 03:41:56 PM
Famous last words...

http://www.martynmoore.com/donovan.html

Rob C
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Mike D. B. on September 04, 2016, 04:08:28 PM
Arthur Elgort: Christy Turlington - possibly the most beautiful face in the world.

http://www.arthurelgort.com/the-big-picture/tods4tv73jd8wm2vzy9ocpn3nm0om7

Rob
I really like Elgort's jazz photos.
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 05, 2016, 08:43:11 AM
Famous last words...

http://www.martynmoore.com/donovan.html

Rob C

"Because I paint and take photographs, I think photography is a craft because it doesn't attack you. That's why I don't have many exhibitions. I think exhibitions are quite dull, personally. I don't know why. I like photographs. I like looking at them but how many times have you come out of an exhibition and gone Phew!?

When old Avedon had that exhibition of stuff, you know, 15 foot high prints, well it was just graphics to me, and the weakness of graphics is it's studied. Whereas if you look at a painting by Lucien Freud, skilled as it is, there's a bit of mad vibrancy about it all. Or Bacon, insanity on the paper, but I love it because I don't know where it came from and it mystifies me."
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 05, 2016, 09:12:35 AM
"Because I paint and take photographs, I think photography is a craft because it doesn't attack you. That's why I don't have many exhibitions. I think exhibitions are quite dull, personally. I don't know why. I like photographs. I like looking at them but how many times have you come out of an exhibition and gone Phew!?

When old Avedon had that exhibition of stuff, you know, 15 foot high prints, well it was just graphics to me, and the weakness of graphics is it's studied. Whereas if you look at a painting by Lucien Freud, skilled as it is, there's a bit of mad vibrancy about it all. Or Bacon, insanity on the paper, but I love it because I don't know where it came from and it mystifies me."

Emotion! Skill!

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: RSL on September 05, 2016, 09:17:11 AM
The difference between art and documentation.
Title: Re: For Peter Fiore
Post by: Rob C on September 05, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
http://www.carlorainone.com/

Enjoy!

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on September 05, 2016, 10:23:16 AM
Excellent stuff, thanks for the link. I do wonder how many of those shots are "posed" or "staged", versus "real moments".
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 05, 2016, 04:44:33 PM
https://models.com/people/hans-feurer

Shot across a busy year!

Consistency of style is palpable.

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Mike D. B. on September 06, 2016, 12:59:03 AM
Great links, Rob.  Thanks!  Fascinating photos!
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 06, 2016, 08:22:09 AM
Great links, Rob.  Thanks!  Fascinating photos!


Glad you enjoyed them, Mike.

Rob C
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 07, 2016, 03:10:55 PM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=peter+lindbergh+videos&qpvt=peter+lindbergh+videos&view=detail&mid=5A309ABDF59ADB8E1B215A309ABDF59ADB8E1B21&FORM=VRDGAR


They are still so beautiful; in some ways I think them even more attractive than when they were much younger: the difference is maturity, that no amount of youthful 'sophistication' ever really catches. Dream on...

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Mike D. B. on September 08, 2016, 12:44:12 AM
They are still so beautiful; in some ways I think them even more attractive than when they were much younger: the difference is maturity, that no amount of youthful 'sophistication' ever really catches. Dream on...

Rob
+1
Thanks for the link, Rob!
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 08, 2016, 05:15:53 AM
Yep. They've matured exceptionally well... lots of life.

I notice he's either adding lots of grain in processing, or shooting at high ISO, to get that Tri-X look.

He's not afraid to fill up a memory card either :)

PS: lots of style in the video too...
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 09, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
Graham -

Here's a link to Helmut with lots of stuff never made it to Sumo.

http://es.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0PDoSzO1xhS8SEANmie.Qt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBxbGdlMTFzBHNlYwNmcC1hdHRyaWIEc2xrA3ZpZXdtb3Jl?p=helmut+newton#id=0&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fitsgoodtobeback.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F03%2Fhelmut-newton-1.jpg&action=click

Rob C
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 10, 2016, 09:18:29 AM
Thank you!

Have you ever tried to work out what it is about his photos of women that makes (most of them) instantly recognizable as Newtons?

It's noticeable that he very often shoots from below eye-line, as though he always used a waist-level finder (but the men often from above)... and that typically the subject looks as though she is contemptuous of the photo(grapher). Maybe he was sufficiently confident in his status that he didn't need to create images of women who looked as though they were flirting with him... which many photographers seem to need. Which is very different to the runway model affectation of models looking as though their cat was run over by the taxi on the way to the show...
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 10, 2016, 10:34:05 AM
Thank you!

Have you ever tried to work out what it is about his photos of women that makes (most of them) instantly recognizable as Newtons?

It's noticeable that he very often shoots from below eye-line, as though he always used a waist-level finder (but the men often from above)... and that typically the subject looks as though she is contemptuous of the photo(grapher). Maybe he was sufficiently confident in his status that he didn't need to create images of women who looked as though they were flirting with him... which many photographers seem to need. Which is very different to the runway model affectation of models looking as though their cat was run over by the taxi on the way to the show...


That's something I've wondered about too.

My feeling is that he's very careful with model selection, and then uses hard lighting (and equally hard makeup) - often on contrasty or very dark clothing, anyway - and that it's the repeated combination of these into formula that gives his look its look.

There's something that I think spells lesbian about his models, even though they may well not be. He eschews the easy smile route.

About having women look as if they are flirting with the snapper: I think it's more having them flirt with the viewer. I don't think I tended to make the mistake of thinking there was the slightest thing personal about shooting models, in the sense of expressions they give or you coax, but there certainly was a lot of personal input that led to easy working. That's not always the case with people you've never used before; it's also a good reason for doing as much research as you can on their track record just to get an idea of their apparent 'routine' which, if they work a lot, tends to show up over a collection of shoots.

On the other hand, first-shoots can also do quite the opposite, and show a side to the model you didn't know was there, just because the pix you'd seen came from snappers without the same sensibilities that you put into play which, in turn, affect the model. My one and only muse hit the G spot on her very first test with me: I got the best shots I'd ever made up to that moment the evening she showed up. Point of no return, and also the start of some little envy/dislike from some other girls in the same model agency because she got most of the work they wanted.

If there's a problem with using one model too often, its that you both fall into the easy trap of repetition. This can save your mutual bacon in some situations, but also lets you down a bit... Too much safety can be a hindrance.

Referring once more to Bailey: I think it was Penelope Tree who said "Bailey hates surprises," but it could have been any other of the long-term muses.

Didn't Donovan say that Newton didn't print his own work? Perhaps as much is owed stylistically to a long-term printer's input as to Newton's!

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 10, 2016, 06:10:45 PM
I saw a doco once where Newton was in the darkroom with the printer, pretty much looking over his shoulder. So although he didn't do the printing, he was saying "burn here, dodge there, more contrast."

He was also tearing up all the fails to make sure nothing substandard slipped out the back door...
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 13, 2016, 04:49:14 PM
This one seems to encapsulate a lot of his work ;) ;)
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 13, 2016, 05:24:09 PM
This one seems to encapsulate a lot of his work ;) ;)


All that's missing is a large dog. And a medical corset or splint.

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 20, 2016, 05:22:21 AM
Now here's a fascinating story. What I found most intriguing is the reaction of some of the photographers to the model taking a measure of control...

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-opposite-of-a-muse
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
Now here's a fascinating story. What I found most intriguing is the reaction of some of the photographers to the model taking a measure of control...

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-opposite-of-a-muse

Interesting indeed, and surprising she got takers for her plan. I don't quite buy her explanations, though, and have sympathy for her old man.

Rob
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: GrahamBy on September 20, 2016, 03:53:20 PM
Anyway, it led me to look up Bill Henson: apparently he created quite a censorship fuss shortly before I left Australia, which I failed to notice. It's not clear how much he or his gallery provoked it for publicity reasons, or it was just the NSW Police running off the leash again (at least they didn't shoot anybody). Even the then PM made himself an idiot by getting involved.

Then again, the photos make me uncomfortable: yes, adolescents are sexual creatures, that doesn't necessarily justify making an exhibit of it.

http://www.roslynoxley9.com.au/artists/18/Bill_Henson/
Title: Re: Style?
Post by: Rob C on September 20, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
Anyway, it led me to look up Bill Henson: apparently he created quite a censorship fuss shortly before I left Australia, which I failed to notice. It's not clear how much he or his gallery provoked it for publicity reasons, or it was just the NSW Police running off the leash again (at least they didn't shoot anybody). Even the then PM made himself an idiot by getting involved.

Then again, the photos make me uncomfortable: yes, adolescents are sexual creatures, that doesn't necessarily justify making an exhibit of it.

http://www.roslynoxley9.com.au/artists/18/Bill_Henson/


Funny thing: I used to love David Hamilton right until I bought his Twenty Five Years Of An Artist and had my eyes opened, not so much by the majority of the images, but by the way he wrote about himself and his motivation. It suddenly felt unhealthy. Damn him for that! Killed my pleasure in his style and grace.

Rob