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Title: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: vjbelle on July 31, 2015, 08:12:01 am
Very cool, Kevin.  Thanks much for the post.

Victor
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Andy Ilachinski on July 31, 2015, 08:49:23 am
Great article Kevin!

Made me recall a somewhat related experience I call "Boinga, boinga, boinga,..." from a few years ago: http://tao-of-digital-photography.blogspot.com/2008/08/boinga-boinga-boinga-shots.html) in which I was gnashing my teeth waiting for hordes of people to finally cross the precariously balanced Indiana-Jones-style hanging wood-plank bridge I was standing on (and trying to get a shot of Ausable Chasm in upstate New York). I wish I could use your method to get rid of the stomping feet back then (and at the moment) ;)
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Kevin Raber on July 31, 2015, 09:52:50 am
Thanks for the comments.  I am kind of addicted to this now and have enjoyed going to certain busy highways and intersections and making them look like the end of the world has come.    All sorts of possibilities and one more thing to keep in mind when doing landscapes at popular tourist destinations.  I used this recently on a beach in Iceland.  Just one more thing to keep in your tool box.

I should note that in some cases you will need to go in and fix things that weren't caught like a ghosting on a cloud or tree branch.

On Sunday I'll post an article on Focus Stacking using Photoshop.  Nothing amazingly new but I am surprised when leading workshops how many people are unaware of or never tried the technique.

Kevin Raber
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: graeme on July 31, 2015, 10:25:29 am
Very cool, Kevin.  Thanks much for the post.

Victor

+1
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Rand47 on July 31, 2015, 10:44:09 am
Kevin,

Great stuff... Funny I used essentially the same technique to "add traffic" to a section of freeway here in Southern CA.  The light was best during light traffic hours but the client wanted "rush hour" traffic.  It was more difficult in that I had to place vehicles in believe able spacing!

Rand
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: MatthewCromer on July 31, 2015, 10:59:35 am
Excellent!

Thanks Kevin
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: AFairley on July 31, 2015, 11:19:16 am
Great tip, thanks Kevin.  I was aware of the concept from Matt Lauer's haunting pictures of L.A. freeways (http://emptyla.com), but your automation of the process (as opposed to going in and hand masking in each layer) is cracking good!
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Ken Tanaka on July 31, 2015, 01:14:39 pm
Back many years ago an early variation of this stacked-frame elimination technique is how Bruce Branit and Jeremy Hunt made
405: The Movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THeDlvLI3nk)  (IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259165/)

It was a remarkable piece of amateur short filmmaking and well worth the few minutes if you've never seen it.

- Ken Tanaka (http://www.kentanaka.com/) -
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Daniel Mitchel on July 31, 2015, 02:11:46 pm
Hi Kevin,  nice article.  How do you preserve shadows?  Seems like if too much time went by the process would erase the shadows as they would be "different."
(My first post I left out two letters in "shadows" making the word "shows.")
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: jfwfoto on July 31, 2015, 02:25:52 pm
Using 'statistics' under 'scripts' in photoshop does most of the steps in one dialog box and it remembers what you did the last time so all you have to do is select 'use open images' and you are done. I use statistics mostly for blending multiple images in 'mean' mode for enhanced image quality with noise reduction. Also works well with bracketed exposures without any HDR look.
Title: Will lightroom work for this task?
Post by: DocD on July 31, 2015, 04:45:21 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Kevin Raber on July 31, 2015, 04:57:27 pm
No, Lightroom won't work for this technique.  You need the statiscal part of Photoshop to perform this.

Kevin Raber
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Manoli on July 31, 2015, 05:41:02 pm
Kevin,

This seems a rehash of the old, tried and trusted method of:
File>Scripts>Statistics : Median
Load files ...

What is the benefit here, in your opinion, of converting all the files to smart objects ?

Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: BradSmith on July 31, 2015, 08:22:17 pm
Kevin,
And THANKS for including links to the files.
Brad
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: jfwfoto on July 31, 2015, 09:19:17 pm
When statistics is finished you have a single smart object that is the blended result of all the files you gave it and the smart object is the closest thing to raw that you can have that is not actually a raw file. It is just a way to do non destructive editing.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Manoli on August 01, 2015, 04:35:58 am
It is just a way to do non destructive editing.

Nope, not here, as Kevin flattens all layers at the end of his video (which is destructive).
Kevin describes the step of converting to SO 'as an important step' at 2:14 in the clip.

From what I see, there is no difference to running
File>Scripts>Statistics : Median
Load files ...

and, if you want to, converting the flattened file to a SO at the end.
So Kevin, what is 'so important' , or rather what's the benefit over the simpler procedure ?
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Internaut on August 01, 2015, 09:57:54 am
Many thanks.  That's going to work nicely in situations where Content Aware fill will struggle.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: dreed on August 01, 2015, 10:18:12 pm
Great story!

Thanks for the post.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: pcgpcg on August 02, 2015, 04:42:21 pm
Just one more thing to keep in your tool box.
Thank you Kevin. Your unselfish willingness to share techniques is much appreciated. I would really like to use this, but unfortunately CS6 basic won't allow it and I'm reluctant to lease software.
Does anyone know how to do something similar using CS6 basic?

On Sunday I'll post an article on Focus Stacking using Photoshop.
CS6 basic can do this, however, using Scripts.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Schewe on August 03, 2015, 02:33:37 am
Thank you Kevin. Your unselfish willingness to share techniques is much appreciated. I would really like to use this, but unfortunately CS6 basic won't allow it and I'm reluctant to lease software.

You are wrong...simply select the images in Bridge and Load into Photoshop Layers, select all and convert to a Smart Object then modify the Blend Mode.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on August 03, 2015, 03:06:45 am
You are wrong...simply select the images in Bridge and Load into Photoshop Layers, select all and convert to a Smart Object then modify the Blend Mode.

Jeff, I'm not 100% sure, but I think that the arithmetic SO blending is only available in CS6 Extended, not basic. I seem to remember that it was one of the reasons that I upgraded from CS5, long ago.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Alto on August 03, 2015, 09:49:21 am
Hi All


Great technique but can't get it to work in CS6 basic .

regards

Jon
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: JerseyT on August 06, 2015, 01:04:14 pm
Jeff, I'm not 100% sure, but I think that the arithmetic SO blending is only available in CS6 Extended, not basic. I seem to remember that it was one of the reasons that I upgraded from CS5, long ago.

I agree. CS6 basic has no statistics and no median. I loaded 4 layers, selected all and converted to smart object. Result was a single layer and no changes in available blend modes.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: 4Pi-VR on August 08, 2015, 10:46:51 am
If your images are taken from a tripod with everything manual, it shouldn't be necessary to go through the photomerge and smart object steps. You can simply open Photoshop, choose File>Scripts>Statistics and choose your images (or open files, if they are already open in PS.) It could save some time if you have a lot of images.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: 4Pi-VR on August 08, 2015, 11:41:24 am
I used this technique a few years ago to make an interesting photo. I was at the IVRPA (International VR Photography Association) meeting in San Francisco and we did a photoshoot walk across the Golden Gate bridge. In keeping with the group's interest in panoramic photography, I was making a spherical panorama on the bridge. Of course, there are tons of people and cars on the bridge, but I wanted it to appear empty, so I took a bunch of images at each angle where it was needed. It worked pretty well and stitched together just fine. I call it Golden Gate Ghost. I am attaching it below, both the original stitch and after making it more ghostly looking.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Kevin Raber on August 08, 2015, 12:53:36 pm
If your images are taken from a tripod with everything manual, it shouldn't be necessary to go through the photomerge and smart object steps. You can simply open Photoshop, choose File>Scripts>Statistics and choose your images (or open files, if they are already open in PS.) It could save some time if you have a lot of images.

Yes that is one way to do it, but you wouldn't see the steps involved.  Like a lot of things in PS, there are a few ways to accomplish the same thing.

Kevin Raber
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: dreed on August 09, 2015, 03:10:52 pm
It would be fantastic if Adobe integrated this:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1112226582/google-and-mit-team-up-on-clever-method-to-remove-reflections-and-obstructions-from-photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1112226582/google-and-mit-team-up-on-clever-method-to-remove-reflections-and-obstructions-from-photos)
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: aboudd on August 11, 2015, 08:58:49 am
This is fantastic. Another one of the powerful Photoshop features that I had no idea existed. I always have issues when shooting architectural exteriors. It is hard enough removing signage, light poles and other obstacles, but being able to clear cars and people is certainly a big deal. Thanks Kevin, for passing on this technique.
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: tefoonez72 on August 15, 2015, 12:49:21 pm
Looks like a great technique but sadly unable to make this work - cannot see the option to select Median. Went down one of the suggestions below except the option of Scripts is also devoid of Statistics... :(

Are there any other methods someone would like to share or perhaps another piece of software?

Thanks
Daniel
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: Kevin Raber on August 15, 2015, 12:58:41 pm
Daniel, you may be working with an older version of Photoshop.  The newer versions have this available.  Certain older versions did not as at that time they offered several tiers of pricing. 

Kevin Raber
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: tefoonez72 on August 15, 2015, 01:03:51 pm
Daniel, you may be working with an older version of Photoshop.  The newer versions have this available.  Certain older versions did not as at that time they offered several tiers of pricing. 

Kevin Raber

Many thanks for the swift reply Kevin, I shall download a newer version as a trial and see how I get on with this.  :)
Title: Re: Making People and Other Things go Away
Post by: russellsnr on November 26, 2015, 02:19:08 am
Hi, a little late to the party on this but  I also have P/S CS6 but not the extenmded version and this STACK/MEDIAN filter is not available so I have tried to find another software that can do it and at this time the only one beleive it or not is the FREE GIMP with a plug-in for GIMP called GMIC it is slow but it does the job. I have also looked for an action or script for P/S CS6 but no luck.
Anyone no differant???
Thanks
Russ