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Title: Do digital photographers have a new artform?
Post by: Monochromophile on February 05, 2006, 05:17:50 pm
In Part 6 of his useful extended series of articles on digital black and white printing entitled “What to Call Them”  (http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn6.htm ), Clayton Jones searches for an identity of prints employing carbon-based inks on 100% Rag paper.  After rejecting any names involving “Ink-Jet” or “Giclee” he  finally settles on the direct name “Carbon Ink Print”, a descriptive that we fully accept..  More important in this discussion, he emphasizes the point that since this medium consists of ink on paper, not a light-sensitive emulsion,  it is thus more closely related to Photogravure than to silver or platinum based photography.  What an appealing concept !! Photogravure has a history dating back to Alfred Stieglitz and Edward Sherrif Curtis and still enjoys the attention of  current artists like Sonny Lee of Santa Fe and of knowledgeable collectors.  Our very young media is therefore akin to being a “Digital Photogravure”.

Despite these concepts, many digital artists cling to the idea that a digital print should pass as a “real” photograph, just as early photographers before Ansel Adams and Alfred Steiglitz  felt that their work should resemble paintings to be accepted as legitimate art.  Clayton Jones states that  digital monochromes “…have a unique beauty and elegance all their own and can stand alone without being imitative of anything else……let’s stake out our own territory”.  We concur,  and in our attempt at  attaining this goal are in the habit of printing with Ultrachrome K3 inks on papers like Crane Museo II or Moab Entrada Natural as suggested in Clayton Jones’ article “The Great Paper Chase”, Part 5 of his series (http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn5.htm).  This is as opposed to using glossy or luster media in an effort to look like a photograph.  What do others think of these ideas?.
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Post by: Geoff Wittig on March 11, 2006, 08:36:00 pm
Last year my wife & I attended a local art festival; one of the booths was occupied by a photographer selling average quality inkjet prints on canvas. We overheard her tell a potential customer "my art is 'zhee-clay'; it's a French process..." We fought to to suppress derisive laughter at such pretentious nonsense.  "Carbon ink print" is perilously close to the same weasel-wording.

I believe that modern inkjet prints need no apologies or evasions. Given the wide range of paper surfaces available and the beautiful results we can obtain, let's just call them what they are and move on. The prints can speak for themselves.

I too love the almost decadent lush appearance of a well crafted monochrome print on cotton rag paper. On the other hand, some black & white images need the deeper D-max provided by semigloss or luster paper to really sing. Digital printing provides a range of wonderful tools, but in the end the tools must serve the needs of the image

Just my 2 cents.
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Post by: collum on March 12, 2006, 05:09:55 pm
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That would place Dye Transfer print as not being a photograph either, since you are soaking a matrix in a dye, and rolling it across a transfer surface.

I started as a photographer in the early 80's. I photographed and printed b/w film, color film, cibachrome, dye transfer, silver, platinum, 4 color carbon, digital negatives, quadtone digital, inkjet color. I've used 35mm and medium format cameras, 4x5, 8x10 view cameras, minox submin. cameras, an oatmeal  box with a pinhole at one end, digital capture with point-and-shoot, DSLR's, digital single capture and scanning backs, as well as a scanner with objects placed on top of it.

I started off as a photographer, and I still am. The print that i made/make is a photograph.

Jerry Uelsmann's work, and even more so his wife's Maggie Davis' , have never existed in reality.  They manipulate many different images, bringing them together, either by using multiple enlargers, or a computer. They consider themselves, and all of the major photographic galleries, consider them photographers, and their images photographs.

There is currently an exhibit at Center for Photographic Art in Carmel   ( [a href=\"http://www.photography.org/gallery/current/current.html]http://www.photography.org/gallery/current/current.html[/url]  ) , by Stephen Galloway . (spectacular images if you happen to be in the area)  They are large (4'x8') images done with a scanning back, and printed with an inkjet printer. They are labeled as Inkjet prints. If you go to Weston gallery down the street, you will also see Inkjet prints hanging on their wall (and labeled as such).  The art world considers them Inkjet prints, and they command prices equal to contemporary photographs printed on Cibachrome or silver.


         jim
Title: Do digital photographers have a new artform?
Post by: Dale_Cotton on March 12, 2006, 05:23:39 pm
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The art world considers them Inkjet prints, and they command prices equal to contemporary photographs printed on Cibachrome or silver.
Jim: thanks muchly for pointing this out. If coastal California is ready to recognize the inkjet as an artistic tool the rest of the world will undoubtedly catch up in its own good time.

The interesting counterpoint here in backwater S. Ontario is that "giclee" repros of paintings command a higher price than litho repros on the basis of having been marketed as having greater longevity. I believe most people in the gallery scene now realize that giclee more or less equates with Epson pigment inkjet, so the transition to dropping the giclee and just going with inkjet should be relatively painless.
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Post by: Anon E. Mouse on March 12, 2006, 07:21:33 pm
If you think the "artform" is photography, then you don't have a new artform because you are using ink jet printers. If the "artform" is printing, then the artform is newer, but ink jet printers have been around for some time.

As far as names, an ink-jet print by any name would still look the same. The same can be said of roses. And that is simply marketing trying to sell by hiding the reality behind fancy words.

But it appears the essay is just trying to put some "mystique" into a process. I would rather see photographers more interested in the content of their work than the process used to make it. One of the reasons photography is not valued is the perception it is from a machine. If the machine is expensive, then the photo can be expensive. But what are you buying? Material or the skill and vision of the photographer.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on March 12, 2006, 08:37:52 pm
In looking at "traditional" photographs in galleries and museums, I find descriptive terms like "platinum print" or "silver gelatin print" informative and useful. For an exhibit I am preparing for right now, I have decided to describe my prints as "pigment inkjet prints". I find the term "inkjet" honest, and the additional word "pigment" should make it clear that I am not using dye-based inks. For those that know the difference, it is useful information. For those that don't, it makes no difference.

Just my 2 cents. I'm glad the Left Coast is acknowledging Inkjet Prints. And if anybody wants one of my prints in "jiggly", I'll just mount it on a spring.    

Eric
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Post by: Mark D Segal on March 25, 2006, 09:08:21 pm
What Clayton Jones says about Epson Enhanced Matte paper turning yellow is not wholly consistent with Wilhelm's research results, and certainly not true for these prints placed in dark storage.
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Post by: jeffball on March 25, 2006, 09:46:52 pm
I believe Brooks Jensen is calling them "pigment on paper."  I think this is fine.  I am planning on an experiment with inkjet descriptions with my customers.  I think it is an interesting study, but I certainly don't shy away from the word "inkjet."  Like others have written, it is an entrenched and maturing technology.  See the Clyde Butcher segment on the current video journal for a wonderful perspective on silver vs. inkjet.
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Post by: alan_biggs on April 12, 2006, 04:38:23 am
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I believe that modern inkjet prints need no apologies or evasions. Given the wide range of paper surfaces available and the beautiful results we can obtain, let's just call them what they are and move on. The prints can speak for themselves.

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I completely agree with this. It's the same with traditional art or architecture. Don't try to dress something up as something else - let the materials speak for themselves. Digital prints are digital prints and let them be that.

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Title: Do digital photographers have a new artform?
Post by: Mark D Segal on April 12, 2006, 09:41:12 am
Of course, with any medium alot about the results depends on the craftsmanship. There is the whole gamut of quality from each - be it yesteryears' darkrooms or todays' digital labs. As well, each image has its mood, which gets conveyed differently by each medium. That much said, whenever I visit a craft fair or art show where there are booths of photographers selling their wares, it has become almost instinctive that I can identify what is darkroom from what is inkjet, because the overall photographic image quality of the latter is generally superior. I know some people will strenuously object to this observation, but fine, that's just how my mind's eye sees things. This technology will still improve in terms of gamut, deep shade tonal separation etc., but it is already mature in its own right.
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Post by: Monochromophile on July 02, 2006, 01:02:43 pm
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In looking at "traditional" photographs in galleries and museums, I find descriptive terms like "platinum print" or "silver gelatin print" informative and useful. For an exhibit I am preparing for right now, I have decided to describe my prints as "pigment inkjet prints". I find the term "inkjet" honest, and the additional word "pigment" should make it clear that I am not using dye-based inks. For those that know the difference, it is useful information. For those that don't, it makes no difference.

Just my 2 cents. I'm glad the Left Coast is acknowledging Inkjet Prints. And if anybody wants one of my prints in "jiggly", I'll just mount it on a spring.   

Eric
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I agree that "pigment inkjet prints" is an accurate descriptive.  Since I am printing in black and white, and the inks consist of carbon pigment, the name
"Carbon Inkjet Print" is also useful and not deceptive.  This is a compromise from the former "Carbon Ink Print", which however is also not deceptive.    
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on July 02, 2006, 01:49:46 pm
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I agree that "pigment inkjet prints" is an accurate descriptive.  Since I am printing in black and white, and the inks consist of carbon pigment, the name
"Carbon Inkjet Print" is also useful and not deceptive.  This is a compromise from the former "Carbon Ink Print", which however is also not deceptive.   
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In fact, in an exhibit a couple of years ago I had B&W in both traditional darkroom prints as well as inkjet, plus color inkjet prints. The three designations I used were "Gelatin Silver", "Carbon Pigment Inkjet", and "Pigment Inkjet". I agree that adding "carbon" where appropriate gives information to those that understand it and shouldn't bother others (although many people at the opening reception asked me what it meant).    

Eric
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Post by: alainbriot on July 03, 2006, 01:09:54 pm
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I believe that modern inkjet prints need no apologies or evasions. Given the wide range of paper surfaces available and the beautiful results we can obtain, let's just call them what they are and move on. The prints can speak for themselves.
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Exactly.  Personally, when I mention how my prints are made, I simply detail the printer/paper/driver I use, for example "Prints made on an Epson 4800 on Crane Museo Silver Rag with ImagePrint."  That seems to answer most questions in a clear and direct manner while avoiding "obfuscating" terms.  If you have to give a fancy term to what you do to make it acceptable (i.e. Giclee, Digital Carbon Print, etc.) you are addressing the wrong audience!  There is no need to mention that I do digital photography since it has become the norm.  There is however a need to mention if one does chemical photography and Gelatin Silver Prints, since this has become the minority.  

As for Giclee, it is always fun to explain that in French it simply means "spray" or "squirt" and not necessarily in a glorifying manner as it is used in a variety of contexts... Personally I have not been able to use it (although I can pronounce it perfectly) because each time I do I can't help but think of some of these "contexts" and start to laugh.  I don't know who started using this term to describe inkjet prints, but if that person was French they should be stripped of their French citizenship or forced to drink bubly red wine for the rest of their days ;-)

Finally, if you read the posts through this forum or on this site, you will find that Giclee, or other obfuscating terms for inkjet prints are rarely if ever used.  However, when you go to art shows and galleries they are omnipresent.  I personally always use the same terms to describe my prints.  In my experience, this results in a higher level of sales.  I am quite puzzled about why my approach isn't widely used. Losing money while confusing your audience sounds quite self-defeatist...
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Post by: Monochromophile on July 03, 2006, 05:11:18 pm
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Exactly.  Personally, when I mention how my prints are made, I simply detail the printer/paper/driver I use, for example "Prints made on an Epson 4800 on Crane Museo Silver Rag with ImagePrint."   
 
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That would be like a painter saying his work is "Winsor-Newton oil paint on Blick canvas painted with a Badger bristle brush" when  "Oil on canvas" will suffice. Thus,  "carbon ink priint" is the analogous term for what I am doing.
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Post by: Pete Berry on May 01, 2007, 07:20:13 pm
For a showing of my prints from images in India currently hanging at the Stowitts Museum in Pacific Grove, CA, the curator used the descriptive term "Archival Pigment Prints". These were printed with a Canon iPF5000 on Innova PSC paper.

This strikes me as an excellent choice to describe inkjet (or bubble jet) prints using archival pigment inks and papers - and a plain English replacement for the mysterious, overused, and somewhat presumptive"Giclee".

Pete Berry
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Post by: Mark D Segal on May 01, 2007, 07:38:57 pm
Conggratulations on having your images exhibited. If you can post a link to a web-gallery of them it would be nice to see them.

There is nothing mysterious about the word *Giclee*. It is French for "spurt" and alludes to how ink is ejected from the printhead of an inkjet printer. Harald Johnson has an interesting account of the origin of the word for describing ink-jet printing in his book "Mastering Digital Printing - Second Edition, pages 32 and 33. A fun read.
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Post by: Pete Berry on May 01, 2007, 09:17:40 pm
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Conggratulations on having your images exhibited. If you can post a link to a web-gallery of them it would be nice to see them.

There is nothing mysterious about the word *Giclee*. It is French for "spurt" and alludes to how ink is ejected from the printhead of an inkjet printer. Harald Johnson has an interesting account of the origin of the word for describing ink-jet printing in his book "Mastering Digital Printing - Second Edition, pages 32 and 33. A fun read.
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Thanks, Mark. All is unfortunately in process now - should be on the Museum website, but aren't yet, and my aged brain rebels at the thought of having to learn yet another new skill after my taming of the iPF5000 beast! I hope to get a gallery going soon.

I meant "Giclee" is mysterious to the non-initiated in this cult, and presumptive in that it is not descriptive of anything except the "ejaculation" of the ink itself. It presumes that archival pigments and media have been used - at least this is my working concept of the word - that the archival nature of the print is a given.

Pete
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Post by: Kirk Gittings on May 01, 2007, 10:21:57 pm
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believe that modern inkjet prints need no apologies or evasions. Given the wide range of paper surfaces available and the beautiful results we can obtain, let's just call them what they are and move on. The prints can speak for themselves.

However, "inkjet" is not "what they are", it is just the mechanism with which the ink was applied. We do not refer to silver or gelatin silver prints as "optically projected light sensitive silver halide coated print". The term Giclee has the same problem. No we refer, in capsule form to what is on the paper i.e. silver or silver gelatin or Carbon Ink Print.

I have been showing CIPs for almost 3 years now in museums and galleries and labeled them as such (though I started by calling them Archival Carbon Ink Prints, which was a bit too ponderous and apologetic). I have not encountered any antipathy. confusion or objection to that terminology.
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Post by: AndyF2 on May 01, 2007, 11:59:09 pm
Kirk has raised the same point I was about to contribute; "inkjet" is the generic tool being used to place colour on the medium.  If inkjet is the correct term for the finished artwork, then watercolour, oil, and acrylic paintings should in fact be called brush paintings.  Not quite as interesting, nor as meaningful!  

The categorization watercolour, oil, and acrylic are more reflective of the colour space the painter wanted to work in, and the texture of the colour (brush strokes, thickness, and so on).  The tool itself is less relevant.

If we use the same approach for naming styles of inkjet (a trademarked term...) prints as is used for paintings, then dye print, pigment print, carbon print more accurately describe the type of image the photographer is making.

And, hundreds of years ago, there may have been the same distain amongs oil painters for those attempting to create worthy paintings in the less durable watercolours, as we have between pigment and dye today

Andy
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Post by: Ray on May 02, 2007, 12:19:30 am
As far as I can see, there are only 3 major issues here.

(1) Is the print interesting, meaningful and desirable.

(2) How long will it last before fading?

(3) How many copies are available?
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 02, 2007, 09:38:16 am
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If we use the same approach for naming styles of inkjet (a trademarked term...) prints as is used for paintings, ...
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I'm curious just who is supposed to own the 'trademark' for 'inkjet'? If it is ' a trademarked term', then a lot of manufacturers are using it without attribution.
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Post by: AndyF2 on May 02, 2007, 12:26:23 pm
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I'm curious just who is supposed to own the 'trademark' for 'inkjet'? If it is ' a trademarked term', then a lot of manufacturers are using it without attribution.
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Actually I may have been mistaken; HP did own ThinkJet and I thought owned inkjet as well.  Canon trademarked bubblejet.
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Post by: TaoMaas on May 15, 2007, 09:53:08 am
If there is a new artform emerging, it's not digital photography, but PhotoShop that is the artform.  I see too many digital photographers making images which, on their own, are decidedly NOT art.  But these same mundane images can become part of a greater whole through the use of PhotoShop.  That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
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Post by: BernardLanguillier on May 15, 2007, 11:53:33 pm
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Last year my wife & I attended a local art festival; one of the booths was occupied by a photographer selling average quality inkjet prints on canvas. We overheard her tell a potential customer "my art is 'zhee-clay'; it's a French process..." We fought to to suppress derisive laughter at such pretentious nonsense.  [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=60105\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

As an OT comment, allow me to laugh at the idea that everything French is "pretentious".  Who knows the intend of the artist when she referred to her process as being French.

Although I agree that it is "non sense" since the work "giglee", although of French extraction, was in fact selected by Americans to describe the early digital prints.

Cheers,
Bernard

p.s.: I am not French.
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Post by: Bobtrips on May 16, 2007, 12:08:51 am
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If there is a new artform emerging, it's not digital photography, but PhotoShop that is the artform.  I see too many digital photographers making images which, on their own, are decidedly NOT art.  But these same mundane images can become part of a greater whole through the use of PhotoShop.  That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
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Never did any darkroom work, eh?
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Post by: TaoMaas on May 16, 2007, 10:15:48 am
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Never did any darkroom work, eh?
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All your images need help, do they?
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on May 16, 2007, 11:39:55 am
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As an OT comment, allow me to laugh at the idea that everything French is "pretentious".  Who knows the intend of the artist when she referred to her process as being French.

Although I agree that it is "non sense" since the work "giglee", although of French extraction, was in fact selected by Americans to describe the early digital prints.

Cheers,
Bernard

p.s.: I am not French.
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Ah, Bernard! But why did the Americans choose the French word "giclee?" Surely because they wanted a pretentious-sounding name and they believed the stereotype that anything French is pretentious.    

Cheers,

Eric

P.S. I'm even less French than you are.
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Post by: Bobtrips on May 16, 2007, 12:00:24 pm
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All your images need help, do they?
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A rather non-responsive reply, don't you think?

But from it I can guess that you don't have much experience with making a photograph.  Notice that I didn't say "taking" a photograph.

Snapping the shutter is just step one in making a photograph.  It's the writing of the symphony.  Next comes the processing of the shot, the performance.

And, yes, all my images need "help".  I intentionally shoot under-staturated and under-sharpened.  And I usually slightly over-shoot the frame to give me a bit of room if I want to adjust the horizon or perspective.

Additionally, I don't have as much control over DOF as I would ideally like so sometimes I have to finish that job while editing.

And on top of that, I shoot my share of bloopers.  Just as I did with film.  More than once I've gone into the darkroom with a negative that was just not very good and figured out how to make an interesting image from it.

So back to the original question - do photographers have a new art form via Photoshop?

No.  Just an easier, more convenient way to do what they've been doing all along.
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Post by: TaoMaas on May 17, 2007, 10:15:07 am
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But from it I can guess that you don't have much experience with making a photograph.  Notice that I didn't say "taking" a photograph.

Snapping the shutter is just step one in making a photograph.  It's the writing of the symphony.  Next comes the processing of the shot, the performance.

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Well, you'd be partially right.  No, I don't have that much darkroom experience.  I took college classes where darkroom work was required, but early on I found I preferred color slides, so that's where I've done 99% of my shooting over the last 35 years.  But that doesn't mean I don't understand or appreciate digital manipulation, though.  It's just that my professional experience is with manipulating video, as opposed to still pics.  And let me assure you that I have absolutely no shame in doing whatever it takes to my video to get the response I'm seeking.  I'm a 'ho in that respect...have been for almost 30 years now...and I freely admit it. lol  That's why I understand that sometimes a person IS creating a symphony when they use a computer to manipulate an image after-the-fact, but I also believe that, far too often, they're just creating another Milli Vanilli, to use your musical reference, and trying to pass the finished product off as a symphony.
    I also don't buy the notion that fixing horizons, exposure, and depth of field in the computer is somehow "making" a photgraph (and therefore more creative), while fixing those same problems before tripping the shutter is "taking" a photograph.
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Post by: Bobtrips on May 18, 2007, 01:10:04 am
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    I also don't buy the notion that fixing horizons, exposure, and depth of field in the computer is somehow "making" a photgraph (and therefore more creative), while fixing those same problems before tripping the shutter is "taking" a photograph.
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Making a photograph, at least for me, is a combination of getting the best capture that one can under the  circumstances and then finishing the job in the computer.

There are things that I can't reasonably do prior to snapping the shutter.  Perspective correction, for example.  Neither do I have the ability to selectively illuminate a portion of the screen and later need to do a bit of dodging or burning.  And sometimes I just plan need to correct mistakes made.

As someone who also almost exclusively shot transparencies for four decades I can tell you that I'm glad to leave that medium behind me.  There's a lot more to photography than just setting up the shot.

(BTW, have you scanned in any of your slides and taken them to the editor?  Wonderful how we can now take care of those little problems that we had to live with before.)
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Post by: Peter McLennan on May 18, 2007, 10:56:44 am
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So back to the original question - do photographers have a new art form via Photoshop?
No.  Just an easier, more convenient way to do what they've been doing all along.
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AND easy, convenient ways to do things many photographers never dreamed of.  
It could be argued that Photoshop is now as important as the camera itself.

P
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Post by: DeanChriss on April 02, 2010, 10:07:35 am
FWIW, from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gicl%C3%A9e):

"The word "giclée" is derived from the French language word "le gicleur" meaning "nozzle", or more specifically "gicler" meaning "to squirt, spurt, or spray"[1]. It was coined in 1991 by Jack Duganne,[2] a printmaker working in the field, to represent any inkjet-based digital print used as fine art. The intent of that name was to distinguish commonly known industrial "Iris proofs" from the type of fine art prints artists were producing on those same types of printers. The name was originally applied to fine art prints created on Iris printers in a process invented in the early 1990s but has since come to mean any high quality ink-jet print and is often used in galleries and print shops to denote such prints.

The earliest prints to be called "Giclée" were created in the late 1980s on the Iris Graphics models 3024 and 3047 continuous inkjet printers (the company was later taken over by Scitex, now owned by HP). Iris printers were originally developed to produce prepress proofs from digital files for jobs where color matching was critical such as product packaging and magazine publication. Their output was used to check what the colors would look like before mass production began. Much experimentation took place to try to adapt the Iris printer to the production of color-faithful, aesthetically pleasing reproductions of artwork. Early Iris prints were relatively fugitive and tended to show color degradation after only a few years. The use of newer inksets and printing substrates has extended the longevity and light fastness of Iris prints."
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Post by: feppe on April 02, 2010, 10:19:09 am
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FWIW, from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gicl%C3%A9e):

"The word "giclée" is derived from the French language word "le gicleur" meaning "nozzle", or more specifically "gicler" meaning "to squirt, spurt, or spray"[1]. It was coined in 1991 by Jack Duganne,[2] a printmaker working in the field, to represent any inkjet-based digital print used as fine art. The intent of that name was to distinguish commonly known industrial "Iris proofs" from the type of fine art prints artists were producing on those same types of printers. The name was originally applied to fine art prints created on Iris printers in a process invented in the early 1990s but has since come to mean any high quality ink-jet print and is often used in galleries and print shops to denote such prints.

The earliest prints to be called "Giclée" were created in the late 1980s on the Iris Graphics models 3024 and 3047 continuous inkjet printers (the company was later taken over by Scitex, now owned by HP). Iris printers were originally developed to produce prepress proofs from digital files for jobs where color matching was critical such as product packaging and magazine publication. Their output was used to check what the colors would look like before mass production began. Much experimentation took place to try to adapt the Iris printer to the production of color-faithful, aesthetically pleasing reproductions of artwork. Early Iris prints were relatively fugitive and tended to show color degradation after only a few years. The use of newer inksets and printing substrates has extended the longevity and light fastness of Iris prints."

Lot of grave-digging going on today - this is an almost three-year-old post that got resurrected